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Everdying
post Jan 20 2007, 02:24 AM

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glad you liked the deathadder, but im perfectly happy with my copperhead.
btw, i just scrapped of all the rubber coating on the two buttons, now feels much better.
this is also why i dont feel like the deathadder, cos the whole body and buttons are one, and coated in the same material.

i'm still waiting for a supposedly wireless mouse from razer.

as for your on-the-fly adjustment, guess you're too used to the krait.
you can actually re-asign the on-the-fly to whichever button you want to.
mine is on the left side button furthest away.
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post Jan 20 2007, 09:16 AM

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dam.. poison for deathadder.... wat is the issue with deathadder?
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post Jan 20 2007, 12:41 PM

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Jan 19 2007, 05:13 PM)
i've tried the barracuda.
for me a good comfortable earcup, the hollowed out section will go around your ear...
and not have any part of the cushion pressing against your ear.
it still might be comfortable, but the issue of any part of that cushion pressing...well...not for me.
thats why for gaming previously i used philips headphones, they have very big earcups.
and yea, i'm not the only one i know who prefers using philips headphones for gaming due to the bigger earcups.

anyway, something bigger and more comfortable?
i would say this, tho its not available here.
http://www.steelseries.com/products/steel_..._v2/information

btw, heres a review from another long-time razer fan from razerblueprints...who also doesnt like it.
http://ariekanarie.nl/wordpress/archives/48
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independent statement or review dosent just justify the barracuda [:

im a 6footer which definitely doesnt make me a midget(no offence) and it fits perfectly covering my ears. to my pov, philips audio is concentrated on music. to my limited knowledge, barracuda is the only gaming headphones with 4 audio jacks and has a HD-DAI input aka DVI connecter and uses more power than any other earphone. but i guess pillows and cushions matter to you more [:

p/s: iv got death adder. anyone wants a review? =P
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post Jan 20 2007, 01:40 PM

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I would like to know...

Do Death adder feels as warm as krait?
Do it have a bigger dimension then krait? krait only manage to cover 3/4 of my whole palm.
Which mousepad is said to be best to work best with it?

Using krait + func 1030 right now.
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post Jan 20 2007, 03:56 PM

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QUOTE(ezinger @ Jan 20 2007, 12:41 PM)
independent statement or review dosent just justify the barracuda [:

im a 6footer which definitely doesnt make me a midget(no offence) and it fits perfectly covering my ears. to my pov, philips audio is concentrated on music. to my limited knowledge, barracuda is the only gaming headphones with 4 audio jacks and has a HD-DAI input aka DVI connecter and uses more power than any other earphone. but i guess pillows and cushions matter to you more [:

p/s: iv got death adder. anyone wants a review? =P
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to your limited knowledge? thought you say you knew alot about headphones.
btw, wanna see what headphones the razer are modelled after? thats if you havent seen it.
yea, sad to say razer are starting to go down the OEM path.

anyway, its the turtle beach earforce HPA.
apparently cosonic are the manufacturers, so i'll take a wild guess cosonic also makes the razers tongue.gif
http://www.turtlebeach.com/site/products/earforce/hpa/
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This post has been edited by Everdying: Jan 20 2007, 03:57 PM
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post Jan 20 2007, 06:38 PM

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QUOTE(Sky.Live @ Jan 20 2007, 01:40 PM)
I would like to know...

Do Death adder feels as warm as krait?
Do it have a bigger dimension then krait? krait only manage to cover 3/4 of my whole palm.
Which mousepad is said to be best to work best with it?

Using krait + func 1030 right now.
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Well, the answer to your first question I'll leave it to the DeathAdder proud owners. I'm sure you'll have to wait for them to 'wake-up' from the hang-over after using the mouse. haha. Just joking. Advertisement oni. hehe

As for your other question, The suitable mousepad to be working with the Razer mouse would be of coz the Razer mousepad, like the eXactMat or Mantis. So, depending on the type of usage, each mat will cater to your different games.

But, just to inform you guys, the eXactMat is currently out of stock at supplier's place. Usually it'll take about 2 weeks for new stocks to come in, or mayb they might have ordered it earlier when they noticed the stock volume was low and it might arrive earlier than 2 weeks. Whichever it is, I'll keep you guys updated on it and once the stock arrives, any1 like to own 1 can just PM me to get, or mayb look out for it in LYP or other retail centers.


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QUOTE(ezinger @ Jan 20 2007, 12:41 PM)
independent statement or review dosent just justify the barracuda [:

im a 6footer which definitely doesnt make me a midget(no offence) and it fits perfectly covering my ears. to my pov, philips audio is concentrated on music. to my limited knowledge, barracuda is the only gaming headphones with 4 audio jacks and has a HD-DAI input aka DVI connecter and uses more power than any other earphone. but i guess pillows and cushions matter to you more [:

p/s: iv got death adder. anyone wants a review? =P
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I'm sure he's no joke about his height. Coz I've met him and he's real cool and really 6 feet man.

But I doubt the Razer's Barracuda have such poor performance or physical disadvantage. I would advice all those who r doubtful or interested in the Barracuda, please visit the upcoming PC Fair to test the size and quality of the Barracuda. I'll request the supplier to properly setup the earphone but I think it would not be connected to the AC-1 coz it might not make it to our shores so soon. After receiving some request for the AC-1, I'll put in some request for it's arrival to Malaysia and once it's in stock, as usual, I'll inform you guys.

If any1 else knows where else that we can test the Barracuda, kindly inform us or post some address would be helpful too.


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Do Death adder feels as warm as krait?
Do it have a bigger dimension then krait? krait only manage to cover 3/4 of my whole palm.

Feel as warm? No idea. I could not fully put my palm on the Krait. Just like you, there is always a gap between my palm and the mouse, hence, there is good ventilation to reduce heat transfer...not that I noticed though. As for DeathAdder, the size is indeed bigger and fit like a charm for me. I'll say 90% of my palm gets a proper rest on it whereas the Krait could only managed less than 70%. The downside though, like most mouse out there, DeathAdder does not have an extruded butt. If only the butt - the area on the glowing/fade-in-&-out logo - is a little bit higher. Heat transfer? Not that I notice...maybe I produced too much heat to actually notice there is some coming from the mouse...

For your info, the DeathAdder is ergonomically shaped like Microsoft IntelliExplorer or Microsoft Habu. From my opinion, it has better comfort than Copperhead, but that's just my 2¢. I grew up with the MSIE, so I guess I find DeathAdder the perfect solution for my mousing ecstasy. If you want a really good fit for your big palm, try finding someone who sells Razer Boomslang...
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post Jan 21 2007, 12:04 AM

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i can get the old boomslang 1000dpi in the tin can.
brand new old stock, about RM280 if not mistaken.
so yea, obviously not worth it.
but some collectors might still want it.
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wanna ask do u guys think razer is gonna come out with a wireless keyboard any time soon??
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post Jan 21 2007, 01:13 AM

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I was with my friend (elfen) in PJ today, watched him COD the Deathadder from jy14, and then went back his house to test the mouse. Here's a short review after approximately 1-2 hour of usage, both in casual desktop usage and gaming:


Before starting out I can say that I'm pretty much a performance-based mice lover, and performance DOES matter to me a lot, as I consider myself a serious competitive CS player. And so far I have used many mice before, starting from the MX300, MX518, Logitech G3, Razer Diamondback, Copperhead, Krait, MSIE 1.1, the MSIE 3.0 (current), and lots of shit mice that doesn't worth mentioning (eg ms laser 6000). So for the casual consumers, my comments may not make sense to you or it probably doesnt matter to you biggrin.gif

Opening up the box, the Razer Deathadder feels very nice at the first touch, rubberized upper body coating like the ones on the previous Razer buttons, and a hard-plastic lower body. I immediately feel the need to use this delicate mouse VERY CAREFULLY, as the rubber coating feels like it might tear or damage by the smallest means of damage. The shape of it is almost identical to the MSIE 3.0, just a teeny weeny bit shorter in comparison. The two left and right clicks aren't as soft and easily clickable like the Copperhead, but it's close. Easily clickable buttons actually present a problem to me sometimes as when I flick my mouse quickly to aim at someone from the side, I MIGHT accidentally click the right click and I start to install the silencer on my M4, and die (in game of course). However, the two buttons at the side are REALLY solid and clicking it feels so good. Comparing the side buttons, the MSIE 3.0 side buttons are really loose and doesn't feel as good, doesnt feel as clicky.

After installation, I loaded up the driver software and well, it was the usual Razer-like interface, so I won't go on about it too much. The DPI offered is a bit weird though, instead of the usual 400-800-1600, it gives 450-900-1800. High DPI doesnt appeal to me at all. I use 400dpi for gaming tongue.gif just a note.

Starting up CS 1.6, I tried flicks in game and deathmatches to get a feel for the mouse. The mouse was used on an Everglide DKT pad surface. This is where the magic comes in. FYI I use a VERY low sensitivity in CS, 400dpi/windows sens default 6/sensitivity 1.15. That means I have to do two full flicks across my QCK+ mousepad (approx 40cm wide) for a full 180 degree turn to frag the ones shooting behind me. To do that I have to flick the mouse at a very high speed, and this is where most mice fail me. Even with my current mouse MSIE 3.0 clocked to 500hz polling rate, it suffers from heavy negative acceleration and the crosshair ending up pointing only a bit away from the original position. The Copperhead CANNOT perform this at all. When I do a full 180 duo-flick, it skips and looks at the sky or the ground, or doesnt move at all. The far worst is the MS laser 6000, that doesn't work at all with my sensitivity - it just looks at random directions and moves around like it's crazy when I move my mouse, piece of crap. While using the Razer Deathadder, no matter how fast I try to flick it at insane speeds, it goes EXACTLY where I want it to be. I'm most impressed. I have always disliked Razer mice as they are so commercial about 2000dpi, 1000hz polling rate, always-on engine, etc etc but ending up the mouse being useless crap to me. But the Deathadder proved me wrong.

I won't give too much comments on the design, because design appeal is very subjective to one's perspective. The blue lights though, wasn't as bright as it is as in the commercial pics, but hey, it's Razer!

So much for the pros, here's the con: It still feels very delicate to me! I don't really dare to use it as freely as the mice I own because it feels like the rubber coating is soooo delicate...... Or maybe it's because it's my friend's unit, not mine. Lol.

Conclusion: I would recommend anyone who has used the MSIE 3.0 mouse before and liked the shape, and looking for a new mouse, GET THIS MOUSE. It's a steal at RM195. I really liked the MSIE 3.0, but the old engine as proved to be inferior when compared against the Deathadder. The egronomics are perfect, though. Best Razer mice award from me so far tongue.gif and could be considered almost the best mouse (not price-wise). And I'm a Razer hater. How much this mouse surprised me is impressive. Or maybe if you are just a casual gamer and didnt know wtf of 50% the stuff I mentioned about above, just go for the mouse you think it's the most beautiful/highest DPI/etc.

Oh, and I won't bother to spend my time writing this review if Razer released another piece of rubbish.

Thanks for reading - a lot of you guys need to know more about mice perfomance.




Note: I hope my review doesn't lower the sales of the Coppearhead and other mice a lot. Sorry jy14/ngbh, plz don't kill me.

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yea, i know the Death adder is supposed to have a very good sensor.

also maybe the reason why the copperhead cant do those exact turns is cos the sensor signal is too strong?
there have been complains that some ppl have to lift the mouse more than a few cm off the pad before there is no movement.

while the Habu is supposed to be a fine-tuned Copperhead sensor for low sens, which i guess fixes the above problem.

have to really try the Habu and see, tho im perfectly happy with my copperhead.
anyway, i recently scrapped off all the rubber coating on the two buttons after getting irritated at it.
after awhile, if you really use the mouse alot, you will notice the rubber slowly peeling off.
i had this prob on my old diamondback, and also on my current copperhead which is why i decided to just scrape it all off.
feels much better now btw, tho theres no resale value but im not selling anyway tongue.gif
so the deathadder while it is good, just the design where the buttons and body are one and coated in the same rubber material is just not for me.
and once my 2yr warranty for copperhead expires sometime oct this yr, i'm probably gonna put on the silver pro-tools shell.

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post Jan 21 2007, 08:51 AM

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QUOTE(chiam_ace @ Jan 21 2007, 01:13 AM)
I was with my friend (elfen) in PJ today, watched him COD the Deathadder from jy14, and then went back his house to test the mouse. Here's a short review after approximately 1-2 hour of usage, both in casual desktop usage and gaming:
Before starting out I can say that I'm pretty much a performance-based mice lover, and performance DOES matter to me a lot, as I consider myself a serious competitive CS player. And so far I have used many mice before, starting from the MX300, MX518, Logitech G3, Razer Diamondback, Copperhead, Krait, MSIE 1.1, the MSIE 3.0 (current), and lots of shit mice that doesn't worth mentioning (eg ms laser 6000). So for the casual consumers, my comments may not make sense to you or it probably doesnt matter to you biggrin.gif

Opening up the box, the Razer Deathadder feels very nice at the first touch, rubberized upper body coating like the ones on the previous Razer buttons, and a hard-plastic lower body. I immediately feel the need to use this delicate mouse VERY CAREFULLY, as the rubber coating feels like it might tear or damage by the smallest means of damage. The shape of it is almost identical to the MSIE 3.0, just a teeny weeny bit shorter in comparison. The two left and right clicks aren't as soft and easily clickable like the Copperhead, but it's close. Easily clickable buttons actually present a problem to me sometimes as when I flick my mouse quickly to aim at someone from the side, I MIGHT accidentally click the right click and I start to install the silencer on my M4, and die (in game of course). However, the two buttons at the side are REALLY solid and clicking it feels so good. Comparing the side buttons, the MSIE 3.0 side buttons are really loose and doesn't feel as good, doesnt feel as clicky.

After installation, I loaded up the driver software and well, it was the usual Razer-like interface, so I won't go on about it too much. The DPI offered is a bit weird though, instead of the usual 400-800-1600, it gives 450-900-1800. High DPI doesnt appeal to me at all. I use 400dpi for gaming tongue.gif just a note.

Starting up CS 1.6, I tried flicks in game and deathmatches to get a feel for the mouse. The mouse was used on an Everglide DKT pad surface. This is where the magic comes in. FYI I use a VERY low sensitivity in CS, 400dpi/windows sens default 6/sensitivity 1.15. That means I have to do two full flicks across my QCK+ mousepad (approx 40cm wide) for a full 180 degree turn to frag the ones shooting behind me. To do that I have to flick the mouse at a very high speed, and this is where most mice fail me. Even with my current mouse MSIE 3.0 clocked to 500hz polling rate, it suffers from heavy negative acceleration and the crosshair ending up pointing only a bit away from the original position. The Copperhead CANNOT perform this at all. When I do a full 180 duo-flick, it skips and looks at the sky or the ground, or doesnt move at all. The far worst is the MS laser 6000, that doesn't work at all with my sensitivity - it just looks at random directions and moves around like it's crazy when I move my mouse, piece of crap. While using the Razer Deathadder, no matter how fast I try to flick it at insane speeds, it goes EXACTLY where I want it to be. I'm most impressed. I have always disliked Razer mice as they are so commercial about 2000dpi, 1000hz polling rate, always-on engine, etc etc but ending up the mouse being useless crap to me. But the Deathadder proved me wrong.

I won't give too much comments on the design, because design appeal is very subjective to one's perspective. The blue lights though, wasn't as bright as it is as in the commercial pics, but hey, it's Razer!

So much for the pros, here's the con: It still feels very delicate to me! I don't really dare to use it as freely as the mice I own because it feels like the rubber coating is soooo delicate...... Or maybe it's because it's my friend's unit, not mine. Lol.

Conclusion: I would recommend anyone who has used the MSIE 3.0 mouse before and liked the shape, and looking for a new mouse, GET THIS MOUSE. It's a steal at RM195. I really liked the MSIE 3.0, but the old engine as proved to be inferior when compared against the Deathadder. The egronomics are perfect, though. Best Razer mice award from me so far tongue.gif and could be considered almost the best mouse (not price-wise). And I'm a Razer hater. How much this mouse surprised me is impressive. Or maybe if you are just a casual gamer and didnt know wtf of 50% the stuff I mentioned about above, just go for the mouse you think it's the most beautiful/highest DPI/etc.

Oh, and I won't bother to spend my time writing this review if Razer released another piece of rubbish.

Thanks for reading - a lot of you guys need to know more about mice perfomance.
Note: I hope my review doesn't lower the sales of the Coppearhead and other mice a lot. Sorry jy14/ngbh, plz don't kill me.
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A good review,but I'm getting worried about how fragile the rubber coating on the mouse it. Will it start peeling off or breaking apart in a few months after use?

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hmm.. so far 2 reviews from 2 forumers bout DeathAdder with the thumb ups.
Let's hear more from the others? anymore DeathAdder users here???
i'm wondering is it better than Copperhead a lot??? maybe wanna betray my CH. =x

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Jan 21 2007, 01:35 AM)
yea, i know the Death adder is supposed to have a very good sensor.

also maybe the reason why the copperhead cant do those exact turns is cos the sensor signal is too strong?
there have been complains that some ppl have to lift the mouse more than a few cm off the pad before there is no movement.

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Yeah the Copperhead sensor signal is too strong also, but I think the mouse skipping is the laser engine not really good enough, just like lots of mice.


QUOTE(refnulf @ Jan 21 2007, 08:51 AM)
A good review,but I'm getting worried about how fragile the rubber coating on the mouse it. Will it start peeling off or breaking apart in a few months after use?
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I think it depends on the way you treat it. Good for personal usage, no under 12 years old brothers messing around with it tongue.gif
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post Jan 21 2007, 02:22 PM

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I have only used Microsoft Blue Mouse mouse so far.. It's the mouse which i think having the mouse comfortable grip among those mouse i owned.

Wait til it's available in the market and i am going to try it.. Singapore shopping complex place these mouse for you to actually try it with some FPS games, which various mousepad for you to choose from..

Then only i will decide i regretted buying krait actually without even try on it

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QUOTE(refnulf @ Jan 21 2007, 08:51 AM)
A good review,but I'm getting worried about how fragile the rubber coating on the mouse it. Will it start peeling off or breaking apart in a few months after use?
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prolly will get visible scratches =/


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I'm a Krait user. I'm wondering how to install krait on pc without restarting? Izzit possible? I once tried to install it on pc's in cybercafe.

The driver installed succesfully but the krait seems not coorperate with the driver. Its just like u plug in the mouse without intalling driver (but i did) so i think might need a reboot. But u know most pc's on cybercafe will roll back to its default after restart. So it wont work either..any opinion?
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As far as I know no people bring driver CD's to LANs lol. Just plug in the mouse and use it.

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