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dasecret
post Dec 7 2015, 01:44 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Dec 7 2015, 01:24 PM)
I don't want reply him yawn.gif
reply u instead wub.gif

AS itu benda...they "hide" the profits which they did not declare as dividends...as "reserves"...
Good times, they underdeclare and keep for future...
Bad times, they take the previously reserved earnings and use to pay out as divvies...
In Chinese we call it, lam pa pa lan...
I.e. sama je whistling.gif

U invest in above-average equity funds (so many of them...e.g. Affin Hwang Select Opportunity, Eastspring Equity Income, Kenanga Growth, and so many more), 100% of the gains and losses are reflected in the NAV pricing...no delay, no "holding back" of earnings...
If u want 100% of the earnings, it's only fair that 100% of the losses, u are to bear...
But if come rain or shine u stay put...in the long run, history have ALREADY proven that they can deliver returns that beat all those AS funds... rolleyes.gif

Again, this is FSM thread, those people that loves those AS funds, they are welcome to stick to those... cool2.gif

Saya cakap ada make sense? wub.gif
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thumbup.gif wished I know this earlier though

Paiseh with my accounting background only fully understand this after so many years
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post Dec 7 2015, 02:09 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Dec 7 2015, 10:59 AM)
Boss, how to calculate correlation between funds?  notworthy.gif
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Search back my previous post: I have explain it before not too long ago. See page 104; post #2080.

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post Dec 7 2015, 02:12 PM

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Ramjade aka ASx fanboy...


If you say put RM 5,000.00 into it; and withdraw it less than one year before they declare dividend, will you still get the pro-rated dividend?

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post Dec 7 2015, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Dec 7 2015, 02:12 PM)
Ramjade aka ASx fanboy...
If you say put RM 5,000.00 into it; and withdraw it less than one year before they declare dividend, will you still get the pro-rated dividend?

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Reply on behalf of fanboy...

If market kaboom, I get back my capital...no losses at all tongue.gif

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post Dec 7 2015, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Dec 7 2015, 02:12 PM)
Ramjade aka ASx fanboy...
If you say put RM 5,000.00 into it; and withdraw it less than one year before they declare dividend, will you still get the pro-rated dividend?

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Yes, based on their way of calculation... something like lowest balance of the months * monthly interest.... I know cos I still get a bit after I withdraw but did not close the account
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post Dec 7 2015, 02:18 PM

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Eh... like this can use ASx as a hedging mechanism.

When market SH1T, masuk ASx...

When market H4WT, masuk FSM.

Fuyoh.... like having a wife and still get to be a Playaz!

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Dec 7 2015, 02:12 PM)
Ramjade aka ASx fanboy...
If you say put RM 5,000.00 into it; and withdraw it less than one year before they declare dividend, will you still get the pro-rated dividend?

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Yes. Provided you leave rm100 inside and also if you deposit before the 1st of every month. If you withdraw all, no dividends will be paid.

Eg
If you buy rm1000 worth of units today, no dividends for the month of Dec.
If you buy rm1000 on 31/12, 1/1 you will get dividends for January.
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post Dec 7 2015, 02:20 PM

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Regarding the post on current fund returns lying 1SD below the 3 year mean and by statistical probability / logic will return to [or near] the mean, would you provide any caveat if I were to depend on this alone to decide on where to dump unused cash?
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post Dec 7 2015, 02:22 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Dec 7 2015, 02:18 PM)
Eh... like this can use ASx as a hedging mechanism.

When market SH1T, masuk ASx...

When market H4WT, masuk FSM.

Fuyoh.... like having a wife and still get to be a Playaz!

Xuzen
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But must depends whether you have luck to try or not. Few months back, you can just pick how much you want to taruh. Now is hard. Sometimes rm100 also cannot get.

Btw, I thought if market is shit, buy more?
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QUOTE(wonglokat @ Dec 7 2015, 02:20 PM)
xuzen,

Regarding the post on current fund returns lying 1SD below the 3 year mean and by statistical probability / logic will return to [or near] the mean, would you provide any caveat if I were to depend on this alone to decide on where to dump unused cash?
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1) My caveat is that don't dump everything in.

2) It is still risky. You can put in a little, something you can expect to lose as a trial to test your own psychology / risk appetite.

3) The above is but a small part of the whole Modern portfolio theory thingy. There are many parameters to consider behind the calculation of Algozen™: Xuzen's asset allocation algorithm.

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post Dec 7 2015, 02:27 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Dec 7 2015, 02:18 PM)
Eh... like this can use ASx as a hedging mechanism.

When market SH1T, masuk ASx...

When market H4WT, masuk FSM.

Fuyoh.... like having a wife and still get to be a Playaz!

Xuzen
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Well.... only if you are bumiputra and is entitled to buy ASB

If you are non-bumi, the quota is almost always full, means when you sell, immediately got people queue to take your units. And these people aren't releasing their units. If you read their annual report, you would be amazed at how many ppl owns 50,000 - 500,000 units and >500,000 units... they own 70% of the fund which is around RM14b for 1 selected fund rclxub.gif

Your fav small cap fund baru RM209million
KGF pulak RM558million
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post Dec 7 2015, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Dec 7 2015, 02:22 PM)
But must depends whether you have luck to try or not. Few months back, you can just pick how much you want to taruh. Now is hard. Sometimes rm100 also cannot get.

Btw, I thought if market is shit, buy more?
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Like this ar.... need to depend on luck some more wan ar?

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post Dec 7 2015, 02:34 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Dec 7 2015, 02:30 PM)
Like this ar.... need to depend on luck some more wan ar?

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Yup. Unfortunately that's the sad part.

Unless you vip customer of certain bank, you can just leave your book there and ask the counter staff to try when they are not busy. Before bank close, just go and sign all the documents.

There are some who does that.

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post Dec 7 2015, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Dec 7 2015, 02:09 PM)
Search back my previous post: I have explain it before not too long ago. See page 104; post #2080.

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Thanks boss! Just signed up rclxms.gif
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post Dec 7 2015, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Dec 7 2015, 02:18 PM)
Eh... like this can use ASx as a hedging mechanism.

When market SH1T, masuk ASx...

When market H4WT, masuk FSM.

Fuyoh.... like having a wife and still get to be a Playaz!

Xuzen
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that is true and correct strategy
ASx variable funds never attract my attention, but their fixed price funds can be treated as high-dividend current account while waiting for better opportunities.
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post Dec 7 2015, 04:28 PM

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QUOTE(dasecret @ Dec 7 2015, 02:27 PM)
If you read their annual report, you would be amazed at how many ppl owns 50,000 - 500,000 units and >500,000 units... they own 70% of the fund which is around RM14b for 1 selected fund  rclxub.gif

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i think this apply to most of the FSM funds as well. especially the fixed income funds. the rule of 20/80 applies.
20% of the subscribers owns 80% of the funds.

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post Dec 7 2015, 04:32 PM

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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Dec 7 2015, 04:25 PM)
that is true and correct strategy
ASx variable funds never attract my attention, but their fixed price funds can be treated as high-dividend current account while waiting for better opportunities.
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But but but... once you keluar you got money also cannot masuk lagi according to fanboy Ramjade. So this strategy although in theory sounds good, in reality... SUXS!

Xuzen

p/s cannot in-out-in-out; only can go in and stay there. No syiok wan! shakehead.gif

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Dec 7 2015, 04:32 PM)
But but but... once you keluar you got money also cannot masuk lagi according to fanboy Ramjade. So this strategy although in theory sounds good, in reality... SUXS!

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can...like he said you need to be good with the bank staffs, or become the preferred/ priority banking customers.
Then the branch will be willingly to try for you.

Got one Chinese guy in the thread can catch few hundred thousands within a month with his preferred bank, and he has been doing it for years.
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post Dec 7 2015, 05:02 PM

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QUOTE(xuzen @ Dec 7 2015, 04:32 PM)
But but but... once you keluar you got money also cannot masuk lagi according to fanboy Ramjade. So this strategy although in theory sounds good, in reality... SUXS!

Xuzen

p/s cannot in-out-in-out; only can go in and stay there. No syiok wan!  shakehead.gif
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I did not say cannot masuk. Just depends on luck and whether the situation allow (some more stories about 1xxx or something else whistling.gif)
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QUOTE(cheahcw2003 @ Dec 7 2015, 04:35 PM)
can...like he said you need to be good with the bank staffs, or become the preferred/ priority banking customers.
Then the branch will be willingly to try for you.

Got one Chinese guy in the thread can catch few hundred thousands within a month with his preferred bank, and he has been doing it for years.
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In fact that guy is here on fsm thread too. biggrin.gif

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