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TSHansel
post Jun 12 2020, 11:51 AM

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I DID MENTION TO YOU GUYS EARLIER that the dividend payouts from the 'angmoh countries' are very haphazard,...

I'll share this,.. I have invested in the TSX for many years,... many a time in the last few years, the CRA will send tax notices to my apartment at Yonge Street telling me I need to pay more taxes,...

I am in the legal industry myself,... I have read up all their acts,... still, they can 'make adjustments' at times....

To me,... IRAS is still the best, very certain in their procedures. ATO is better than CRA,... but still have their problems,...
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post Jun 12 2020, 11:59 AM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Jun 12 2020, 09:41 AM)
I see a lot of discounts today. Like an ongoing megasale.  

Looking at Micro-mech today, my favourite one. Hmm...

SATS is doing surprisingly well. I thought it should be negative today but there's a sharp rebound from today's low. It even fared better than OCBC.
Thanks for the info. Is this a new rule or it has been implemented before April 2020?

Ramjade Need to check this.
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Tq bro,...

Emm,... Yeah, there are discounts today,... but not as much as the one in Mar 22,... As of now,.. CMT, Sasseur REIT and Cromwell have fallen below my averaged-down price from the first wave of the pandemic.

The other red ones are because they have not climbed back up during the pandemic OR I have not averaged-down on them during pandemic.

Split shares of Vicom are running well.

Entered a new counter this morning after discussions at ShareJunction.

Micro-Mech, bro ? How abt UMS ??

Edited by adding this for records : As of now as I write, my overall portfolio is 22.75% green.

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post Jun 12 2020, 12:19 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jun 12 2020, 12:03 PM)
No love from me. It's a stock I will use to for short term trading. No micro mech that's a keeper.
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post Jun 12 2020, 02:32 PM

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QUOTE(Raymond_ACCA @ Jun 12 2020, 12:51 PM)
Are your reits mostly heavy in Singapore REITS? I am actually interested in increasing my SG REITS portfolio, the one industry that I can see giving good returns rather than investing in bank stocks or other stocks in Sg at current price.

My train of thoughts is very simple: Singapore has limited land and space for development, so if resources are scarce, demand will go up in the long term when the SG population incresss overtime.

Just started to study about REITS so am going in slowly as I study. Am familiar with financial ratios relating to REITs but I guess I don’t know what I don’t know.
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Hi bro,... yes, most of my REIT hldgs are in SG,.. I have some in Aus and in Canada too. Your concept is right abt land scarcity.

This is a good time for a fresh entrant like you, bro,... congrats,... but choose your REITs carefully, do you have a brokerage acct to buy SG REITs ?
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post Jun 13 2020, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jun 12 2020, 03:00 PM)
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post Jun 13 2020, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(Raymond_ACCA @ Jun 12 2020, 02:50 PM)
Thanks for your insights! I am using Interactive Brokers to buy foreign stocks. Haha no congrats until the REITS brings in good returns.
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QUOTE(TOS @ Jun 12 2020, 02:58 PM)
Too late. Window closed earlier than I thought. But the discount is only like 6% from its recent high, still not enough to convince me to enter.

Nikko AM analyst suggest a 6% downside for S&P 500 in coming weeks. If it spillover to SG markets, maybe can consider pick up some quality ones.

UMS isn't as liquid as Micro Mech, and not really as good as MM. At least not as transparent as MM.

Which counter did you enter this morning?
To be more specific, it's land scarcity in CBD. Hard to find good Grade A offices these days. The most recent transaction is the changeover in ownership of AXA tower in Tanjong Pagar to Tencent. Most large office buildings are swallowed up by REITs.

And one should be mindful of:

1. SG can always expand its land by reclamation. 50 years ago, the shoreline was only along Clifford Pier, today, it's further south into SATS Marina South terminal. And it can go further. Once Tuas seaport is operational in 5 years time, Pasir Panjang shoreline would add to more supply. Oh, and Keppel harbour, just beside the CBD, more lands coming soon.

2. Most REITs, if not all, have exposure to properties beyond SG, and properties in other country may or may not subject to the same land scarcity issue as SG. Most important of all, if you expect SGD to appreciate against other currencies in the long run, the income remitted from overseas will be diluted in the long run.

Perhaps the above factors will counter the "land scarcity" plus point mentioned earlier. But one thing is certain, if talk about office REITs, CBD rents are quite stable, and somewhat predictable. For one thing, they are not subject to the same "political" risk like their HK peers.
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Tq for your replies, bros,... I was waiting for S&P to dip below the psychogical 3k level last night,... it did not happen. See if any chance for this to happen on Monday night,...
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post Jun 13 2020, 04:31 PM

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QUOTE(EnterYourName @ Jun 12 2020, 05:21 PM)
managed to grab some OCBC at 9.05 today, try to queue for DBS but couldn't get it
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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jun 12 2020, 07:47 PM)
ocbc... good price!
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My average price for OCBC is $8.50. Logically, as a proper investor, if I am to enter further into OCBC, the mkt price has to be below $8.50. At this price, my yield is only 6.23%.

If I buy any OCBC above $8.50, I'd be averaging-up,.. reducing my margin-of-safety AND reducing my yield.
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post Jun 13 2020, 05:04 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jun 13 2020, 04:49 PM)
i went in later than u.

so... small loss now but that's OK, quite normal.

becos it's now not a bull or bear market... but a KANGAROO market! laugh.gif
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Yes bro,... biggrin.gif

The way I look at it is like this : if one is going for cap gains, it is still not late because I believed,... the 'normal price' for OCBC was,.. what,.. $10.xx during 'normal times' ? But for an income investor like myself,.. I certainly consider myself a late entrant because at $8.50, my yield is only at 6.23%. I am making an assumption of the dpu here to be, as per last year,...53c.

If dpu payout dips, that's a diff story then,...otherwise,... I shld say I shld have gone in immediately after Mar 23rd... or beginning of April,....

Edited to add more points : If I bought low,.. then I would still be able to average-up and hot a good yield above 6.50%,... but today,.. at a 'high' average price of $8.50,... how can I afford to buy up at higher prices and lower my yield ? sad.gif

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post Jun 14 2020, 12:10 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jun 13 2020, 05:36 PM)
>6% yield for a major bank stock... well, u aim high! biggrin.gif

i doubt it is sustainable... i see dpu dropping on all fronts.

fed chairman has a good reason to say the economy will be bad enough for rates to stay near zero until after 2022.

we will know better by end 3Q.
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I have read the same wordings everywhere what you said in the above, bro,... you and them may be right - that's why I have to go in with a price as low as possible. And,........ I must go in,... not to wait at the sidelines only,... so,.. life is hard ! biggrin.gif

If don't go in now,... chances wasted.

I am very happy I did not go in to UOB and OCBC prior to the crash. I am a freshie investor into these two banks. Hence, I stand to gain more by investing fresh now. I went into DBS at a high earlier because I couldn't let it go higher,.. and I hit $26.00 as my average price pre-crash.... During crash,... till today,.. I have averaged al the way down to $21.48 as of now,...

Sometimes,.. it's not too good to read too much blogs or teleram chats that kept pushing people to buy banks. But,.. decision to buy at the readers' hands.

If our prices are low enough, if the dpu does drop,... the yield may drop to.... 5.8% / 5.9% thereabout,... hence,.. the key to the whole thing abt buying SG banks is : our average holding prices.

Just to elaborate more :-

I don't do Msian banks - I'd be investing in a weak currency environment,.. In the long run generally... investing in a string currency environment is more beneficial for investing into banks. Of course, the quality of the banking stock must be good too. Hence, I am satifsied concentrating into the three SG banks.

Everytime the RM weakens further vs the SGD, my wealth position will strengthen further in Msia. My investments into SG banks will be even more valuable. I have not made the comparison,... but I suspect the SG banks' capital ratio is stronger than the strongest Msian banks',...

I started with HK banks - HSBC, but the dividend got 'suspended',.. biggrin.gif ,.... and a large hedge fund is betting that the HKD's peg to the USD can't be maintained. But,.. I ask myself then : what if the peg is reduced,... or even totally removed ? Will the HKD strengthen instead ?

Jmho, bros,...
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post Jun 15 2020, 09:15 AM

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YES, bro TOS,... tq for the heads-up !

Good day this morning,... queued UOB yesterday evenng at 21.99,... this monring struck at 21.08 ! ,...........

But still an averaging-up lar,... my average price was 20.30 !!!!!!!!!!

Well,... lots of work done yesterday is not wasted,... Father's Day paid-off,...
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post Jun 15 2020, 09:37 AM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jun 14 2020, 06:07 PM)
this, i like.

The STI is still down about 17 per cent this year and is trading near a record-low valuation of 0.9 times book value, significantly lower than the 2.2 times for the MSCI All-Country World Index.
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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Jun 15 2020, 07:52 AM)
Agree that SGX looks more reasonably price than US, Malaysia.

Maybe Singapore can follow Malaysia and ban short selling?  Easier to make bubble.. 😆
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MOrning bros,...

Emm,.... just a thought here : there could also be the possibility that the 'new normal' for the STI may not be back to the cliff-level prior to the fall over the cliff. On my side,... I am gauging for 60% up from the trough !

But,... no doubt in the longer term, STI would reach back to the cliff level.

S&P Futs dipped below the psycholgical level of 3k this morning,... gf woke up me,.... biggrin.gif
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post Jun 15 2020, 10:14 AM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jun 15 2020, 09:47 AM)
while SGX is somewhat lagging, it is also a lot more vulnerable to world events compared to bursa.

if dow futures turn redder this afternoon, might see quite some damage.
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Agreed, bro,...

Hmm,... the problem is the 3 indices are turning less and less redder as the morning goes by now ! Soon will turn green,... but I see the REITs and ctrs in my watchlist have all turned green from this morning !!
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post Jun 15 2020, 11:15 AM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jun 15 2020, 10:17 AM)
china report is mixed ... ind output rise v good, consumption weak.

will see how us eu/us futures react...
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Tq for updating,... appreciated it !
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post Jun 15 2020, 12:34 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jun 15 2020, 11:23 AM)
both estimates fell short of expectation.

this is adding pressure on asian bourses, even dow.
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Tks again, bro,....
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post Jun 15 2020, 02:34 PM

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QUOTE(z21j @ Jun 15 2020, 01:40 PM)
Cause UOB is quoted on X-Div today.

You guys can refer to dividend compilation at dividends.sg.
For upcoming dividends, https://www.dividends.sg/dividend/coming
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Tq for reminder, bro,... emm,... last Saturday morning, Wall St closed green,.. I was a bit disappointed,.. for if Wall Street had closed red last Saturday morning our time, then I would know that I will have a chance to attack UOB at below my holding price today.

Then I said to myself,.. hmm, if Futures start red on Monday morning, will still have a chance - and this came true.

Just sharing my experience, bro,... tq again. I've been watching for this XDate day,... but frankly,.. if Futures started very green today,... do you think UOB would drop beow $22.00 this morning ? hmm.gif
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post Jun 15 2020, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jun 15 2020, 02:16 PM)
Did it go down to 1800?  ohmy.gif
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S&P, bro,.. Dow cannot drop to 1800,...

As of now, S&P has dropped below the psychological of 2K.
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post Jun 15 2020, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ Jun 15 2020, 02:39 PM)
Think bro AVFAN means the DJ dropped 1800 intraday.
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I'm bro Hansel,.... ohh, if you meant the quantum of drop for Dow,.. then as of this moment,.. dropped 852 points,...
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post Jun 15 2020, 02:44 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jun 15 2020, 02:40 PM)
uob is usually neck to neck with dbs.

dbs is also now at 21.10.. uobs x-div cannot be higher than dbs.
these days, kangaroo market.... cannot take handsome gains for granted after a good buy.

very difficult to practice "just buy n hold 4ever".

which is why i said gotta take some profit sometimes due to such risks.

i am glad i did!
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Ok bro,... I'm not so good in trading stocks,... unfortunately,... after I take profit, the ctr never came back,... biggrin.gif
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post Jun 15 2020, 03:06 PM

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QUOTE(AVFAN @ Jun 15 2020, 02:47 PM)
generally, i don't trade much.

but current market situation, gotta be very alert, everyday, every hour... at times, every minute! laugh.gif

very tiring, stressful, of course.
i had some fun with the bursa glove counters the last few sessions.

1 min late, u lose 10%. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(TOS @ Jun 15 2020, 02:54 PM)
Damn it. Micro mech refuse to go down. Waited for whole day. laugh.gif

STI forward PE approximately 12.59, now trading at 0.5 SD below average.
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Very good, bro AV,....

Hmm,... bro TOS,.. I stopped uing the bell curve for the STI fwd PE sometime ago,... can't use that in tody's environment. If the second wave really comes back,.. MM will join the downward move.
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post Jun 15 2020, 07:52 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Jun 15 2020, 03:13 PM)
I see.  I am just referring to data from DBS Research. If there are multiple waves then yes the P/E would have to be revised downwards.
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