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SUSSonic boomer
post Jan 7 2009, 10:38 PM

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Just curious, I bought a PC from Dell recently. I just got an invoice from them. Can I use this invoice to say that I have bought the PC? If I am not mistaken invoice is just a document mentioning what you intend to buy from the company while receipt is an acknowledgement of payment?
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post Jan 8 2009, 09:05 AM

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QUOTE(Sonic boomer @ Jan 7 2009, 10:38 PM)
Just curious, I bought a PC from Dell recently. I just got an invoice from them. Can I use this invoice to say that I have bought the PC? If I am not mistaken invoice is just a document mentioning what you intend to buy from the company while receipt is an acknowledgement of payment?
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i think u're right..need receipt. biggrin.gif
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post Jan 8 2009, 09:16 AM

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QUOTE(Sonic boomer @ Jan 7 2009, 10:38 PM)
Just curious, I bought a PC from Dell recently. I just got an invoice from them. Can I use this invoice to say that I have bought the PC? If I am not mistaken invoice is just a document mentioning what you intend to buy from the company while receipt is an acknowledgement of payment?
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Invoice represent the fact that transaction had been perform and you owe dell that amount of money (if you haven't paid), a receipt is just to close the loop (to prove consideration had been received), sometime invoice will mention that amount had been prepaid etc. IRB will care less whether you pay dell or not, that's something between you & dell, none of their concern tongue.gif
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post Jan 8 2009, 03:41 PM

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QUOTE(htt @ Jan 8 2009, 09:16 AM)
Invoice represent the fact that transaction had been perform and you owe dell that amount of money (if you haven't paid), a receipt is just to close the loop (to prove consideration had been received), sometime invoice will mention that amount had been prepaid etc. IRB will care less whether you pay dell or not, that's something between you & dell, none of their concern tongue.gif
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but then, i think they do care whether u pay or not. if you don't pay, then you cannot claim the tax exemption. So i think its still receipt. tongue.gif
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post Jan 8 2009, 04:12 PM

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QUOTE(attahun @ Jan 8 2009, 03:41 PM)
but then, i think they do care whether u pay or not. if you don't pay, then you cannot claim the tax exemption. So i think its still receipt.  tongue.gif
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But a receipt can't prove you are buying computer from them or just buying some other things from them.

Receipt is a document the show you have paid them, it doesn't show the items you purchased, but invoice does.

For computer relief part, the criteria is you are buying a set of computer, buy a processor or GC or monitor alone, according to its rules, it cannot be claimed on tax relief part.
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QUOTE(attahun @ Jan 8 2009, 03:41 PM)
but then, i think they do care whether u pay or not. if you don't pay, then you cannot claim the tax exemption. So i think its still receipt.  tongue.gif
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If you don't pay, you owe the money to dell, in accounting term, that still perfectly all right. When and where and how you pay your debt don't have anything to do with IRB tongue.gif It's same like the vehicle rebate, government pay you the rebate, regardless you owe money to the bank or not tongue.gif
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post Jan 9 2009, 12:15 AM

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Hhmn..maybe I will try to ask and email Dell for a receipt. But just feels a little anxious since they actually call my invoice a 'Tax Invoice' on the internet. However, if I print it out it does not clearly say 'Tax Invoice'.

Would be grateful if anyone can share their experience with their Dell PC rebate and if you were audited. Thanks.
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post Jan 9 2009, 11:08 AM

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Would like to know living allowance taxable or not?

Also do non-residents pay less tax than residents? Seems other countries residents get to pay less than non residents.
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post Jan 9 2009, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(advocado @ Jan 9 2009, 11:08 AM)
Would like to know living allowance taxable or not?

Also do non-residents pay less tax than residents? Seems other countries residents get to pay less than non residents.
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Most case yes, depends.

Depends on source of income generated, this is not one size fit all case. From your question can write a thesis loh tongue.gif
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post Jan 9 2009, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(Sonic boomer @ Jan 9 2009, 12:15 AM)
Hhmn..maybe I will try to ask and email Dell for a receipt. But just feels a little anxious since they actually call my invoice a 'Tax Invoice' on the internet. However, if I print it out it does not clearly say 'Tax Invoice'.

Would be grateful if anyone can share their experience with their Dell PC rebate and if you were audited. Thanks.
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i still think LHDN like to see receipt as proof of purchased ...
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post Jan 9 2009, 05:04 PM

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any tax payer can confirm how often they check receipt of proof ?

What if I put less salary in my BE .. like exclude my allowances etc etc ?

as I know, they don't need our JE form for declare income right ?
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post Jan 9 2009, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(J'Daniel @ Jan 9 2009, 05:04 PM)
any tax payer can confirm how often they check receipt of proof ?

What if I put less salary in my BE .. like exclude my allowances etc etc ?

as I know, they don't need our JE form for declare income right ?
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JE form and EA form same ke? haha... anyway what i know is that EA form is your proof of ur income. Allowance may not be included but that will be checked from your pay slip if LHDN want to dig further..

point is, declare based on your EA form..that should do. correct me if i'm wrong.
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post Jan 10 2009, 06:39 AM

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Question :

If last year your income is not taxible but you din declare.
What should you do?

1) Is there a way to declare now? will you still be fined?

2) Just diam diam, and hope for 7 years to pass.
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post Jan 10 2009, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(attahun @ Jan 9 2009, 05:19 PM)
JE form and EA form same ke? haha... anyway what i know is that EA form is your proof of ur income. Allowance may not be included but that will be checked from your pay slip if LHDN want to dig further..

point is, declare based on your EA form..that should do. correct me if i'm wrong.
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As I know, allowance is included in EA form. LHDN usually request for EA form only during audit, and receipts if you did claim reliefs. Just declare based on the EA form, then you're OK. So, make sure you don't miss out anything that you can see in your EA form. Also don't forget the accrued payment part (bayaran tertunggak) as in the form. http://www.hasil.org.my/cP/upload/Form/Lain/Borang%20EA.pdf

QUOTE(yong_lc @ Jan 10 2009, 06:39 AM)
Question :

If last year your income is not taxible but you din declare.
What should you do?

1) Is there a way to declare now? will you still be fined?

2) Just diam diam, and hope for 7 years to pass.
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If you're not a registered taxpayer, then you should be ok, unless you plan to buy any substantial asset. If you're scared, then go register now and declare your 2008 income before the dateline April/June 2009. Don't bother declaring your 2007 income cos you may get penalty for late submission. Advice from my senior: If you're not planning to buy any assets (house, car) in the near future, and you're not taxable, don't bother declaring it.

However, from what I know, the LHDN is more peculiar on those self-employed people. To be on the safe side, it's recommended to declare your income since day 1 you started your business.
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post Jan 13 2009, 04:10 PM

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QUOTE(J'Daniel @ Jan 9 2009, 05:04 PM)
any tax payer can confirm how often they check receipt of proof ?

What if I put less salary in my BE .. like exclude my allowances etc etc ?

as I know, they don't need our JE form for declare income right ?
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My ex-company always ask the staff to do tax clearance after resignation and salary only release if the staff dint have any outstanding tax,
LHDN requested all the EA form and resit as a proof.

According to my Accountant, all income and allowance must stated in EA form.

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post Jan 13 2009, 04:55 PM

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My fren gonna be coming over to work as engineer.

He is from Singapore. I told him he better come before June 2009, so that his stay here for the year 2009 will be 180 days, thus when time comes for assessment in April 2010, his 2009 income can claim relief and will be on multi-tiered scale.

SInce our salary are deducted with tax in advance, I told him for 1st 6mths, he will be taxed very badly at 28%.

But once he qualifys as resident, and after the assessment for 2009 is done in April 2010, he should get some tax money back (as his income works out to RM60k per year, and in lower tax bracket).

Did I provide him with the correct info?

U guys know how long it takes to refund? i heard many people said it takes forever! But from your experience?

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QUOTE(peterlee @ Jan 13 2009, 04:55 PM)
My fren gonna be coming over to work as engineer.

He is from Singapore. I told him he better come before June 2009, so that his stay here for the year 2009 will be 180 days, thus when time comes for assessment in April 2010, his 2009 income can claim relief and will be on multi-tiered scale.

SInce our salary are deducted with tax in advance, I told him for 1st 6mths, he will be taxed very badly at 28%.

But once he qualifys as resident, and after the assessment for 2009 is done in April 2010, he should get some tax money back (as his income works out to RM60k per year, and in lower tax bracket).

Did I provide him with the correct info?

U guys know how long it takes to refund? i heard many people said it takes forever! But from your experience?
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I think the employment need to be continue to the next year, put some allowance for him to go back Singapore tongue.gif . But if he stay for part of 2008, full 2009 and 2010 (full or part), guess his 2008 income still at resident rate. If I not mistaken.

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post Jan 15 2009, 05:47 PM

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QUOTE(attahun @ Jan 9 2009, 05:19 PM)
JE form and EA form same ke? haha... anyway what i know is that EA form is your proof of ur income. Allowance may not be included but that will be checked from your pay slip if LHDN want to dig further..

point is, declare based on your EA form..that should do. correct me if i'm wrong.
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Hmm what if I don't have EA form ? haven't declare for the past 3 years ... old company

Not sure how to declare though
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post Jan 16 2009, 06:05 PM

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Would also like to enquire about my past BE form

For the 2 years ago BE form, can I submit via e-filling ? and how do I obtain the pin for e-filling ?


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post Jan 16 2009, 06:57 PM

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QUOTE(J'Daniel @ Jan 16 2009, 06:05 PM)
Would also like to enquire about my past BE form

For the 2 years ago BE form, can I submit via e-filling ? and how do I obtain the pin for e-filling ?
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Nope. Go to the nearest LHDN office and get form from there. Or, print yourself. make sure you do print single side using laser printer. E-filing pin can also be obtained in their office, but then they have yet to open the BE e-filing server for YA2008.

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