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dzi921
post Aug 23 2007, 07:34 AM

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QUOTE(shih @ Aug 23 2007, 12:31 AM)
Dont need to worry so much about UTs, as it is meant for long term investment.
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True, no need to worry much

But for people so kiasu like me, want to swich to bond when high and switch to equity when low, quite fun also

Like I switch to PRSF on Fri (0.6302) and today already (0.6570). Made +4.25%

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Btw, how to count the percentage? Mathematic tak baik here
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post Aug 23 2007, 08:08 AM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Aug 23 2007, 07:57 AM)
Switching tru and forth too frequent is not recommended since each switch will cost you RM25.
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True, but if you have big amount in it RM25 is not much. Better still, if you are mutual gold, no charge

http://www.publicmutual.com.my/page.aspx?n...enefit-services
Fee Waivers
Switching fee is waived for unlimited switchings between all loaded funds. In addition, administration fee is also waived for requests such as transfer of units.
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post Aug 23 2007, 08:10 AM

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QUOTE(dzi921 @ Aug 23 2007, 08:08 AM)
True, but if you have big amount in it RM25 is not much. Better still, if you are mutual gold, no charge

http://www.publicmutual.com.my/page.aspx?n...enefit-services
Fee Waivers
Switching fee is waived for unlimited switchings between all loaded funds. In addition, administration fee is also waived for requests such as transfer of units.
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Wait a minute, meaning:-
equity to equity = no charge
equity to bond = charge
bond to equity = charge

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Am I wrong?


Added on August 23, 2007, 8:12 am
QUOTE(David83 @ Aug 23 2007, 08:10 AM)
It takes ages for me to be a Mutual Gold. The qualifying points is 100k IIRC.
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You are still young, sure one day got chance one smile.gif

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post Aug 23 2007, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(shih @ Aug 23 2007, 09:23 AM)
The Fund Manager have the right not to switch your fund if you have been doing that twice within 3 weeks times.
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Where you get this info?

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post Aug 23 2007, 12:49 PM

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QUOTE(shih @ Aug 23 2007, 10:13 AM)
Read the T&C back of the switching form.
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I just called customer service and they said why sometimes you cannot switch is because the fund is sold out for the day (not closed)

I'm going to register a new aggressive account today. Maybe PAGF or PIX. Still thinking. I don't feel like investing into PCSF though it seems hot cake now


Added on August 23, 2007, 1:10 pmFrom 22/08/06 to 22/08/07

PAGF: 45.77
PIX: 35.60
PSMALLCAP: 54.88


PSMALLCAP looks tempting

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post Aug 23 2007, 01:19 PM

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QUOTE(ejleemy @ Aug 23 2007, 12:48 PM)
Seems like our economy is recovering good, if our market does not get shaken much with the next credit fear, I believe KLCI still can breach the 1400 points within this year.
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I sure hope so. I aiming to switch if it reaches it previous high. Don't want to tamak
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post Aug 23 2007, 02:24 PM

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After thinking, I think I'm a moderate heart person

Just came back from bank. Opened PGF instead
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post Aug 23 2007, 02:46 PM

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QUOTE(shih @ Aug 23 2007, 02:30 PM)
Why you did not choose PEF instead of PGF?
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No reason, just took a shot based on it's market existence

That's the problem, too many funds hard to decide sometimes
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QUOTE(epuel @ Aug 23 2007, 05:09 PM)
can you guys tell me whats the difference between

1. Unit Trust and Shares in Stock Exchange a.k.a saham (bcoz as I know both depends on the KLCI right )

2. Unit Trust and Life Insurance ( bcoz both can be consider as saving right )

Thanks in advance.
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Stock is Stock. Go up fast, Go down fast

A Unit Trust fund consist of Stock which is diversified. (e.g. A Unit Trust fund can have stock A, B, C, D). Since it has few stocks so Go up slower, Go down also slower. Disadvantage, upon purchase of equity type of Unit Trust fund there will be a charge of 6.5%. So some people don't like

There are a few Unit Trust funds which comes with Insurance

Life Insurance depending on the package is when you encounter life problem like critical illness / permanently disable / death, you will get the insured amount. Nowadays a lot of Life Insurance have investment plan in it too

My say, newbie like me play UT safer biggrin.gif

There are more experts around, they can give you better inputs

Edit: Expert above posted faster than me rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif

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post Aug 23 2007, 06:37 PM

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I just went to Public Mutual branch, and they gave me a Quarterly Fund Review report

This report is very informative. It states all the funds and infos about it like benchmarks, top 5 holding of the fund, which sector market, etc

Should have gotten this report earlier. It can make help you decide what type of fund you want

Like now I noticed PRSF and PGF is quite similar except PGF has more funds abroad

So go grab it smile.gif


Added on August 23, 2007, 6:39 pm
QUOTE(shih @ Aug 23 2007, 06:31 PM)
Hehe, I am much younger and NOT an expert. Still have a lot to learn about UTs, insurance and stocks.
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Say until I so old sweat.gif


Added on August 23, 2007, 6:44 pm
QUOTE(dzi921 @ Aug 23 2007, 05:58 PM)
Stock is Stock. Go up fast, Go down fast

A Unit Trust fund consist of Stock which is diversified. (e.g. A Unit Trust fund can have stock A, B, C, D). Since it has few stocks so Go up slower, Go down also slower. Disadvantage, upon purchase of equity type of Unit Trust fund there will be a charge of 6.5%. So some people don't like

There are a few Unit Trust funds which comes with Insurance

Life Insurance depending on the package is when you encounter life problem like critical illness / permanently disable / death, you will get the insured amount. Nowadays a lot of Life Insurance have investment plan in it too

My say, newbie like me play UT safer  biggrin.gif

There are more experts around, they can give you better inputs

Edit: Expert above posted faster than me  rolleyes.gif  rolleyes.gif  rolleyes.gif
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So take example, I have PRSF. It consist of few stocks like:-
Public Bank Berhad (10.26%)
Tenaga Narional Berhad (5.43%)
MMC Corporation Berhad (4.08%)
Bumiputra-Commerce Holdings Berhad (4.07%)
Genting Berhad (3.78%)
*And etc etc

If you want to buy stocks directly, how much money do you need before able to buy all those funds above?

Note: This is advantage ya, you must also understand the disadvantages tongue.gif

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QUOTE(shih @ Aug 23 2007, 06:52 PM)
Haha, I dont mean it. You are as good as a young, healthy and wealthy man.

Btw, the quaterly fund report and the interim/annual report is very useful, you can use it to track what the stocks you are holding. If you want to g for long term investment, you can take the chance to follow the fund manager's choice. but be sure you do the cost calculation 1st.
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I wonder do they have it online (digging after this post)


Added on August 23, 2007, 7:04 pmNope, can't seem to find the electronic copy sad.gif

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post Aug 23 2007, 08:06 PM

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QUOTE(shih @ Aug 23 2007, 07:57 PM)
Not to say disadvantages but in comparison, you might see some difference from trading stocks, FD, and others.
For me,
1. High entry charge.
2. Lack of transparency.
3. Many procedures.

But overall, it is still a good investment vehicle for me, as I dont have much time to do monitoring. So, the diversification, professional management and good liquidity suits my taste.
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Additional to that, before you make any investment

1) You must have emergency cash standby (at least 3 to 6 months of expense). Reason, you do not want to sell off your UT/Stock at a rush
2) Choose your timing right. Try to avoid buying when everything is at it's peak. You can wait for correction to enter. Meanwhile save your bullets
3) Make sure that the money you invest in UT is for mid to long term. Don't expect buy today sell tomorrow and make money.
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post Aug 23 2007, 08:20 PM

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Only 4 days, nearly recover service charge

Go go go!
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post Aug 24 2007, 08:58 AM

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QUOTE(athlon 11 @ Aug 23 2007, 11:27 PM)
don't forgot the old school teach:don't invest more than RM100k on unit trust.due to its high service charge.
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Is there a difference if you invest RM10k or RM100k. Though the amount is different, it is still the same 6.5% service charge. If you have RM100k the service charge is a lot, but when you make also a lot smile.gif

Personally I would rather trust the fund manager's experience (those with track record) than my own experience in handling such a huge amount of my money (I'm noob in stocks)

QUOTE(kingkong81 @ Aug 23 2007, 11:29 PM)
dzi921, Actually you can get the quaterly fund review from your agent  sweat.gif Maybe u can let your agent know you want a copy of the review every time it is out, it juzt cost 20cents for agent. Btw, Its been out for almost 1 month plus.

It is indeed a very useful report not only in analysis of funds, but as well as in helping to to sell UT  laugh.gif
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Does agents give this report to their accounts?
One info I find missing in this report is which fund is already closed

QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ Aug 23 2007, 11:52 PM)
furthermore if it's giving a really good return then i don't see a reason not to invest this much
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The more money you invest, the more satisfying the return is thumbup.gif
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post Aug 24 2007, 09:02 AM

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Just to double confirm, there are so far 4 closed funds right?

1) Public Enchanced Bond Fund
2) Public Bond Fund
3) Public Ittikal Fund
4) Public Islamic Bond Fund
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post Aug 24 2007, 09:33 AM

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I'm thinking to open one pure bond fund today. What do you guys suggest?

Open:-
Public Institutional Bond Fund
Public Select Bond Fund
Public Islamic Select Bond Fund

Close:-
Public Bond Fund
Public Islamic Bond Fund
Public Enhanced Bond Fund

Already have:
Public Islamic Enhanced Bond Fund
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post Aug 24 2007, 09:56 AM

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QUOTE(shih @ Aug 24 2007, 09:35 AM)
I am ON for Islamic Banking, so I would say Public Islamic Select Bond Fund.
I just have account for PBOND and PSBF. Sold my PIBOND, looking for PISBF later, not now.
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QUOTE(David83 @ Aug 24 2007, 09:38 AM)
You should go for PSBF or PISBF. Both should be a great fund to choose for.
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I think since I have PIEBF, I think I will go for PSBF now. The past record seems quite ok
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post Aug 24 2007, 10:03 AM

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QUOTE(shih @ Aug 24 2007, 09:21 AM)
PSMALLCAP
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I just double check with Service center. This fund is still open. The funds closed are the ones I've mentioned


Added on August 24, 2007, 10:04 am
QUOTE(ejleemy @ Aug 24 2007, 10:02 AM)
I'd go for islamic type of bond funds. The reason is many of these firms that issued bonds could get 'support' from government if anything goes wrong. Hence default risk is much lower.
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Since our agent here ask given his input. I'll go with your suggestion



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post Aug 24 2007, 10:07 AM

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Speaking of default risk? What are the chances? How will it happen?
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post Aug 24 2007, 10:52 AM

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QUOTE(leekk8 @ Aug 24 2007, 10:42 AM)
Dzi921,

Actually you can download the softcopy from Public Mutual website. Go to Fund Product, Fund Review, you must register as online member, sign in then you can download all the financial reports of the funds as well as the quarterly review, and even monthly review.

You also can get your agent to provide you hardcopy of it.
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I've checked that yesterday but it is not the same as the printed hard copy. I'll check again later when back on my laptop

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