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dzi921
post Aug 15 2007, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Aug 15 2007, 10:35 AM)
Switching funds require to pay RM25 for each successful transaction. I think I want to hold my equity funds for a while. Somemore, no forms for me to do so.
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You haven't apply Telemutual?

I made a switch using Telemutual yesterday. Very easy. And i totally forgot about the RM25 charge. Thanks for reminding rclxub.gif
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post Aug 15 2007, 08:19 PM

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QUOTE(KingRichard @ Aug 15 2007, 04:45 PM)
talking about switching...which funds would be great idea to switch into now? i'm holding Public Equity, and thinking of switching into another equity fund...
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I'm shooting PRSF. I'm planning to open PAGF
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post Aug 16 2007, 12:07 AM

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QUOTE(Darkmage12 @ Aug 15 2007, 11:42 PM)
PRSF has drop alot recently.....if the market doesn't improve you should wait abit longer before going in
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Correct, it has really drop a lot. But not only that fund. All other PM equity fund also drop. Those standing strong are Bond funds (which I've learn a lesson here, next time switch to these funds for parking)
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post Aug 16 2007, 08:23 AM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Aug 16 2007, 07:54 AM)
OMG ... you're not aware that Bond funds are for temporary parking during bear period like this.

Well, for the mean time, we have several options and they're:

1. Acquire more units with lower unit price.
2. Switch out to bond fund to lock whatever profit you earned so far and switch in back later when then market is in a more optimistic shape. You'll lose your average unit price if you don't maintain minimum units in the fund that you wished to switch out from.
3. Hold on with whatever you have and hope the bear won't last long.
4. Withdraw the funds and enter later. With this you'll lose your average unit price.
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Your idea is the other way round of mine sweat.gif

When there is a bull and has hit your high target, switch whatever equity into Bond to lock the profit. Stop investing in Equity but only Bond (or just keep ur bullets in savings)

And when the market is bear and is under your low target, switch whatever bond into equity. And start pumping money into equity once the market is stable

And if you were to switch your equity to bond today, you would have already lost a lot. Might as well just keep there, unless you foresee that it will crash even lower

Lucky me, I've switch while it is high into bond. But I switch into PEBF which has equity a little bit sad.gif Next time I will switch into purely bond funds
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post Aug 16 2007, 09:11 AM

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Ok, took another shot today. My last bullet left. I think I will shoot it off tomorrow and off everything relating to this topic

Really cannot concentrate on work these few days
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post Aug 16 2007, 04:22 PM

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Since I buy a lot of PM, would it be wise to be an agent myself?
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post Aug 16 2007, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(b00n @ Aug 16 2007, 04:25 PM)
Than you have to find out whether or not you can put the agent name as yourself.
If yes; than you need to proceed to get recruited and pass the test by FUTM.
Better get some confirmation from qualified agents here.
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I think should be possible, but anyway Any PM agents around that can answer this question???

It would a great discount for me, if I can get back my investment in commission tongue.gif
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post Aug 16 2007, 04:39 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Aug 16 2007, 04:35 PM)
Put the agent name as yourself has no problem but once you become a qualified agent, you have annual quota to meet.
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How much is the quota?
If don't hit quota, they fired you as agent, then who's agent code to put?
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post Aug 16 2007, 08:15 PM

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Imagine those people buying at that peak. First -6.5% and now drop another -12.99%

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post Aug 16 2007, 08:37 PM

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I wonder how long would it take to go back to it's high
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post Aug 17 2007, 09:19 AM

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QUOTE(ejleemy @ Aug 16 2007, 11:56 PM)
Well, lets see the pros and cons

Pros
1. You get to take 2.85% of your 5.45 (or 6.5%) intial service charge back in your pocket
2. Access to PM agents training and services - some are free, some are avail at low cost, CAMS (the agency monitor system) subscription is ard RM 100/year
3. Update on the latest PM news
4. Side income if you sell to your family members/friends (you gotta service them as well)
5. Other agents incentives and benefits if you meet certain sales quota like free insurance, subsidy on car/house, subsidy on CFP program. FYI, Some of these quotas are quite high.
6. Career benefits and advancement.
etc etc

Cons
1. Sales Quota = RM 30k/year, NOTE : this is 30k equity fund sales. Bond and MM funds do not apply. They will fire you if you do not meet the quota. But usually for the beginners, they can appeal and PM will give them another chance.
2. To join the agency force, first you gotta pay RM 247.50 (not sure if this has been changed) for course material, exam fee etc. PM will refund the entire RM 247.50 amount if you pass the exam on your first try and manage 30k sales within 6 months. So, take this as your initial investment and a challenge to make 30k sales in 6 months.
3. You probably need to take ~2 days leave to attend the required training and take exam. The training course will take 1 full day (or 2 evening classes - but this always full, so gotta sign up fast), exam will be held another day at TPM.
4. You do your own investment, are you good enough to make your own financial plan ? You get to save 2.85% of your cost if you are your own agent, but if you are not good enough, you can lose the entire 2.85% or even more back to the market. This is the major risk if you have little clue on what you are doing. However, if you have a helpful and knowledgable upline, he/she can offer you very good advice on this matter.
5. minor cost on renewing FMUTM license, forms, brochures, name cards etc you gotta pay for them.
6. time and commitment. New funds briefing, agency meeting, investment talk, servicing your clients (not just sales, also after-sales service)... will take you time and commitment
7. career prospect - depending on how you view it. There are more and more people joining this industry, and competitions are everywhere. If you intend to do well and stay, I highly recommend you to get yourself a CFP.
etc etc

Bottomline is you gotta have the interest in this field if you wish to join. Don't join because of $$$ only. If you wish to join, you should find a good upline who can guide you well - look at the cons part 4.

For those who are interested in this career, can PM me for more info.
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Thank you, very informative

I was thinking to join because:
-I can't rely on my agent
-It's better to get direct news
-Get the discount
-I'm interested in this field

1. Sales Quota = RM 30k/year, NOTE : this is 30k equity fund sales. Bond and MM funds do not apply. They will fire you if you do not meet the quota. But usually for the beginners, they can appeal and PM will give them another chance.
Don't think a problem. I am buying > RM30k/year for the past 2 years

4. You do your own investment, are you good enough to make your own financial plan ? You get to save 2.85% of your cost if you are your own agent, but if you are not good enough, you can lose the entire 2.85% or even more back to the market. This is the major risk if you have little clue on what you are doing. However, if you have a helpful and knowledgable upline, he/she can offer you very good advice on this matter.
I'm interested to learn more. As I've said can't rely on my agent

6. time and commitment. New funds briefing, agency meeting, investment talk, servicing your clients (not just sales, also after-sales service)... will take you time and commitment
Sux, this is something I don't have now. Maybe in future when I've got more time


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post Aug 17 2007, 09:37 AM

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Hope the bear is sleeping by now

I made a daring move today. I've switch all my bond into equity again. SHOW HAND!

Have to start 'sembayang' that next week will be a Green day

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QUOTE(Medufsaid @ Aug 17 2007, 10:16 AM)
Argh.. I only have my bullets locked and loaded after 27th of this month sad.gif Eyeing on PCSF
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Waiting for salary? smile.gif

Me too, more bullets coming in on the 27th. 10 more days to go. I wonder by then market already recover or drop even worse
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post Aug 17 2007, 02:09 PM

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Dated: 24/07/2007 to 17/08/2007

PRSF: -12.99%
PAGF: -14.64%
PIX : -13.59
PCSF: -10.77%

PEBF: -02.96%

PSBF: -00.28%

PMMF: -00.16%

Correct me if I'm wrong, now based on the data above,
-When the fund has reached your target high, switch to pure bond/money fund for parking. And when the market crashes like now it doesn't affect it much. And when the market is at your target low, move back the bond/money fund into equity fund. I think can really make more money this way (For me, a bit regret now to use PEBF for parking)

-I now see there is no reason to buy on a progressive (SI) when the market is heading upward. Eg, I've been buying progressive since April, and with this fall, I'm back to April where I can buy lower. So April to August Average cost is not worth it. So I should have save my bullets next time and wait for a correction

Question:
1) Is correction often? How often does it happend based on previous history?

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post Aug 17 2007, 02:24 PM

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Ok, just shot my last bullet. Also switched all my bond fund into equity. Really broke now!

And pray Monday will be a good day onwards

My agent is going to be very very happy to see his statement this month biggrin.gif
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post Aug 17 2007, 04:30 PM

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Today market fall and climbing back now. I hope it stops at Red today else rugi. Then Monday Green onwards...

Pray Pray smile.gif
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QUOTE(David83 @ Aug 17 2007, 06:56 PM)
Wow ... that's a brave and bold move judging from the current atmosphere. I think that I'll cool down myself first for few days.
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Actually a bit scared, but I tak kisah la. I cannot concentrate on my work with this current market trend. Just want to get it out of my mind

Why I showed hand:
-The fund has hit my low target (below 10%)
-Even if it drops further, I don't need the money I've invested. So I can keep it for really really long there
-Even the market really crashes (97 crisis), before it happens I will withdraw and keep my capital (my total profit now from UT portfolio is still +8% accumulated since 2 years ago)

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QUOTE(David83 @ Aug 17 2007, 07:35 PM)
Which equity fund you switched into?
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I don't have many funds, cause I do not see the purpose

I switched all my PEBF into

PRSF (80%)
PRSEC (20%)

Once my salary is out, will open new account for PAGF & PSBF

QUOTE(shih @ Aug 17 2007, 07:37 PM)
Actually, I am going to start working, so no more stock market monitoring or forum anymore soon. I leave a few funds which is still in negative inside for medium to long term investment, will start to top up after some time to drag the cost per unit.

dzi921, you need to stand firm on your principle. Set a cut loss point for your UTs. Because markets wont crash in one day, but a more than 10 pts for a few weeks time is not good for everyone. You wont notice the little difference every time.

My profit for my fund actually shrinked ~15%. So, I just need to go when I still have some profit with me, around 20-50%. For those funds which cannot escape, I need to have a PLAN B for them. Besides, I kept 2 funds will profit inside so that I can switch to the long term investment whenever timing is good.

So far, kept my PBOND, PSBF, PDSF. And those not doing well one includes, PIADF, PGBF, PEF and so on.
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That's the beauty of UT. If the market crashes, those buying direct will be affected more. So meaning I've got time to escape

For me, my cut off point is not to loose my capital. If it actually does reach that moment, our Malaysia market should be quite serious sweat.gif

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post Aug 17 2007, 08:26 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Aug 17 2007, 08:25 PM)
Seems like got many people have high interests on PRSF.
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But already a few years no bonus unsure.gif
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post Aug 18 2007, 07:22 AM

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DJ ended green today. I hope Mon KLCI will be green onwards, and I hope I've entered at the lowest smile.gif

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