Sigh, it is impossible to ask your loved one to convert because of you. Maybe she would but that's not the way I wanted it done. She has to convert away from Christianity to Islam not because the love of me, but because of the love of Allah s.b.t.

Currently, I'm having my hopefully-future-spouse attend some of the Muslim Students Association meeting here and she even tag along out Jumaah prayer with the sisters. The talks make good sense, especially one that talked about the 5 pillars of Islam.

As a pious Christian, she could relate most of what we talked about with what she had learned. But it was quite complicated to explain why we believe that Jesus is a prophet, and not the son of God. We also pointed out that we all (Islam, Christian, Judaism) have the same God, Allah.

I actually had her wear the hijab and hey hey, she looked superbly gorgeous.

JHCJ, this is the same girl we used to talk about. This time I'm not luring her through myself, but through the beauty of Islam.

Congrats, yeah yeah yeah, don't have hijab fetish, k?

I believe words from man's mouth alone wont bring forth a conversion. She herself must be convicted by your God, then only then, she will be burdened to look deeper into your faith. If however she is convinced that her faith and that Christ is her messiah, then....too bad la.

it is the most difficult to convert a Christian to Islam, and vice versa.
Only time will tell.

die liao la...she cannot wear sexy anymore...she cannot hav sex any more..she need to cover her face liao.....

QFT and this message is too short

True that, I found my approach earlier was wrong and now I am trying to bring her closer to my god, although they are explicitly the same god. time will tell, definately, this time around though, if it doesnt happen I know it wont happen and will probably not try again.

She doesnt wear sexy. She's a true, pious Christian to begin with. She has been reading the bible for the past 1 year and told me there was something amiss about it. I introduced her to quran plus some not too healthy lifestyle which was wrong. And this time around it will purely be through Islam.

god is good..she betray but god forgive her..

u try to cover from muslim to other and see....u will get throw stone untill die..

Im sorry but what is your point? I really couldnt get you.

well, discussing religion in forum is bad news

discuss at where also same...so better close this topic

Pious doesnt mean spiritual nor well grounded in the Bible.
If she is, your defination of the same God in Islam and Christianity is irrelevant to her...since Christians dont acknowledge the Islamic God as the same God. So your task is really an uphill task. Just dont push it too fast and hard. Get to know each other more. As much as you want her to know yr faith, be fair and show some interests in hers as well. Its not like " you can come to my islam, but Dont ask me to go to your church!". It wont work.

BTW, how long have you known her?
Its still better than having an Interfaith Forum live face2face and have over zealous gooks holding riot and going amok, jeapordising everyone's lives!

This post has been edited by happy4ever: Nov 7 2006, 11:37 AM

Well in forum it is my god pwn your god, your god suck my penis, your god is fake mine is real, god is a squirrel bla bla bla

ok not to take Religion attacks or defends here but a word from the back of my mind

a true Christian will NEVER enter the world of another religion

it is quite simple really.. if u are REALLY a true MUSLIM , will u give up your AFTERLIFE (heaven/ hell) (if u believe that) to be with your love one on EARTH and then SUFFER for ETERNITY after that?

i am a Christian myself and ive not yet got it all figured out but
if some1 is TRULY a Christian / Muslim / <insert religion> they wouldnt convert over to another because of love

it is , VERY VERY DIFFICULT , or rather foolish

i am not condemning threadstarter ( i lazy type ur name , i type faster with common words ) but ask your self a few things and of course, if u dont mind , ask her a few things

things such as is she really a christian to begin with? are u doing the right thing?
i know in the Al - Quran that its BEST to get every other religion into Islam , but not OUT

yes, it might be good, for u, but please do make sure it is for her...
would u exit YOUR religion? imagine the amount of ... (dnuno what u call it ) islam police chasing your tail?

besides, u might have to reconsider parents objections , those are not easy..

i have plenty more to say but.. OFFICE work does not permit so

PS : I am a Christian, and I'm Chinese if thats to clear up where im coming from

do her parents know of her attending these events/gatherings?
or is she doing this behind their backs?

i love the ignorance in your post

hopefully-future-spouse ?

Arent u a little too young.

Hm, I dont want to turn this into a religious zealot war...

But like i said, I do not want to convert her out of her love for me, but out of love for my god, Allah sbt.

I know there will be a lot of obstacles, that's why Im not forcing her into this. She's coming to the meetings out of her own free will. She's even earing a hijab when she goes there, which isnt just a symbol, but to respect the muslim brothers from seeing part of women's aurat.

her parents do not know about this. she didnt want to tell her parents about this untulk she's sure whther this is right or wrong. suppose that she tells her parents straight away, they will directly influence her to stop... so right now she's just figuring things out of her own...

why do you say that?

only one God ma... so why say love ur god leh...

No problem for her to convert to your religion at all...
What;s her name? Let's say Susan.

Susan -> Siti ... no problem! welcome! welcome!
Siti -> Susan ... let's create havoc at the church.

i don't mean to be offensive. just a joke from what happen in Ipoh.

back to topic, I think you and her SHOULD consult with her parents first.

Ill consult with her parents when things are really quite going to happen.

if we were to talk to them now obviously they'll have us stop straight away which is not fair.

im letting her find out what fits her best. remember, she's coming here out of her own free will, im not forcing her to attend the jumaah prayers and listen the sermons

What would make her a pious Christian? FYI, being a Christian is all about having a close relationship with God, not just reading the Bible and following what it says. One can read the Bible, follow what it says, call themself a Christian, but never know what its like to be a Christian. To be a pious Christian, is to have a close relationship with God, and out of the love, follow the things that He teaches.

So, if she is a pious Christian, she wont leave a relationship with God for a human relationship. Not to be offensive, because being a Christian doesnt mean you cant love man and marry. Its just that, if she is a 'pious' Christian, she'll know her priorities.

2ndly, be warry of her parents. Of course if it is out of her own free will she is doing those, then there is nothing to be said, but if far down the road, it ends up with her relationship with her parents gone bad, she'll lose her family. Tread carefully on these waters .

1. she said god is at the throne of her heart when i asked who does she love most
2. she would never miss a gospel meeting and goes to church every sunday and sometimes on saturday too.
3. she donates her 10% salary (scholarship allowence)
4. She reads and rereads the bible, and is apparently very in love with it

Wow, if 1) is true, steming from a personal relationship with God, then like happy4ever said, your task is an uphill task. It is like trying to convince her that a particular person she knows doesnt exist.

Its just like her, going in love with mypetridish, and try to convince you to christianity from Islam, would you think its even possible? Would you forgo what you've been taught all this while as wrong and that Jesus is really god? and the Prophet aint a prophet?

The same feeling you have, is exactly the same as hers. So, good luck la!

This post has been edited by happy4ever: Nov 8 2006, 07:40 AM

Hmm.. so that makes a Christian pious? IMHO, anyone and everyone can do acts/deeds like those. While I'm not here to judge her or anything, she obviously doesn't know much about Christianity, making her a very young Christian. If so, that kinda contradicts her being pious and even considering converting. Perhaps, you should talk to her about being 'unequally yoked' taken from 2 Cor. 6:14.

I think the only way mypetridish can marry peacefully without either one converting is to migrate to Australia and settle there.

Or singapore.
Assimilation to piss-drinkards culture is very goose!

This post has been edited by happy4ever: Nov 8 2006, 09:38 AM

yeah, she mentioned about that too. i told her it is up to her to 'yolk' with us or not and she said she wants to see both sides of the world...

and she's more chrisitan than most christians that ive seen. first of she dresses moderately, nothing skimpy. etc, nothing that i can describe and think from the back of my head. but overall, id say she's more chrisitan than most christians that ive seen.

luckily she's only know as christian.. not catholic.. she still have a choice to choose whether she want to convert to islam or stay the way she believed..

The way one dresses aint a determinant factor of one's spirituality. Besides, its subjective and defers from person to person.

Is she your gf yet? Seems like she is fond of you too, otherwise she wouldnt have bothered going to your gatherings.

Why do you say that? Catholics dont have a choice?

chinese convert to muslim very danger!!

after she die..her property all will rampas by muslim,

no left for her parent or her relative (wich is not muslim)

i hav many friend and relative like this...die liao..they parenty/son get nothing..even have...80% also much donate aka rampas by muslim!!

if my chinese friend/relative convert to muslim...i will spit on him...

I read about your story long time ago.

Isnt it the same if now you're showing her the beauty of islam and then in the event that she convert, you'll marry her. In the end it is for your own gain; to get the girl you love instead of for islam.

Why spit, u got nothing better to do aaa?

You've heard of Ridhuan Tee Abdullah? The family ok je.

His mother loves him more.

Its not the harta being rampas, its given out according to muslim laws.

That is why you must make a will or 'hibah' (stating the item, money is a gift to someone) while you're still alive ( this is in reference to the person converted to Islam).

Then kaotim. If somebody convert to Islam, Islam don't say you gotta cut all ties with the family.

when malay die..they got so fast come take money bo?

u know what? my muslim friend die..1 day only..they come and take money liao...
casue they know all chinese rich...when chinese muslim die..they come very fast...

Wah, why the suspicious outlook?

In Islam it is best to expedite the distribution of the deceased's wealth according Islamic laws, taking into account to settle his outstanding debts.

Then, comes the distribution to the rightful parties under Islamic law.

If there is a will by the departed, they will follow that.

Since I'm not a learned person in Islamic laws, I can't comment much on your description after your friend's death.

eh shut up. we havent even held hands yet and u guys are already talking about her dying.

we're talking about her now, her choice to yolk with us

My apologies.

Well... is quite true.
But let's not discuss about this.

Anyway threadstarter, I wish you good luck.
Love is so wonderful, but when come to religion, it can hurts.
I'm a Christian... but forced to breakup with my gf because her buddhist/taoist parents cannot accept me.
I never ask her to convert, but her parents just discriminate both Christian and Islam.
End up we both got hurts because of religion. Sad.
But i understand her decision, as her parents is more important to her.

This post has been edited by Kelv: Nov 8 2006, 12:14 PM

so summary = religion is a burden and stupid?

i don't dare to simply give my own opinion and say the reason why catholics doesn't have choice.. if u want further infomation please ask in christian thread locationed at koptiam or do some reseach on it then u will understand more about it..

i don't convert to Islam because I love to eat pork
i don't convert to Christianity because I love sleeping in on Sundays
i don't convert to Buddism because I don't like open burning
i don't convert to Hinduism because I love to eat beef.

i agree with u Kelv
my other half is christian and i'm not...
we been together for 4 serious years...
we love each other so much...
Love is so wonderful, but when come to religion, it can hurts...really hurts....and we suffer
cry..cry..

Threadstarter do you think your doing the correct thing, going behind the girls parents, because of your selfish and rash act of showing the beauty of islam ,

u might be somehow spoilt and parents daughter relationship, ask yourself how old are you guys, yea sure she might be going there on her free will but ,
clapping hand one sided will nvr make any noisy,
you might have influence her first.

So lets say she convert to Islam and things between you guys did not work out then how ?? Did u think of her??

If you do... please do think ...both of you are from different world .... If you want to get together just face to face with the parents not wait until "nasi sudah jadi bubur" then only tell them. If ur the parents and ur daughter doing something like that would you be happy?

This post has been edited by wizard83: Nov 8 2006, 04:36 PM

Heh, go to parents if and only if she has converted to ISlam on her own accord, and TOLD her parents of her conversion, then after all the hooohaahh had settle down, then only mypetridish go show his cute cute face to her parents.

The problem is the first thing the parent will think is that mypetridish had brainwashed their precious/ perfect daughter

.... First thing first... how old is she ? she might be naive enough to make wrong decisions which can ruin her life.. when she wants to get out of it then its Hooo Haa like in Ipoh incident... Getting in is easy... Getting out is hell...
waiting everything to happen then only find the parents will only bring trouble.
If the threadstarter have some dignity face the parents and tell them the relationship be fair to the parents.

This post has been edited by wizard83: Nov 8 2006, 04:43 PM

i think you are to young for this.... don't u think about your next generation? i mean ur kids religion and bla..bla
if she really love you yeah maybe she will convert because want to get married. easy 2 say on paper only la...
try to be fair to ur gurl, her parents and urself....
just imagine if one day ur daughter come home and tell dad i love this man so much and i want 2 convert to his religion what do u feel?
if after she converted and ur relationship not work out how?
if u really love someone doesn't mean u have to be together rite?
by the way how old are you?

^ I read in another thread...He's 15. Though to make sure, how old are you petridish?

To clear the misconception about being unequally yolked, it doesnt means that a Christian cant mix and be friends with non believers. In fact, Christianity encourages us to show love to neighbours, one another, to enemies, etc. But to be unequally yolked is when a Christian mixes with a non believer and allowing him/her belief to be shaken by the influences of non believers.

And, do not judge how a person can be 'more chrisitan' than others just by seeing how they dress, or by their outer appearences or what they say. It is similar to saying that a fully covered Muslim woman is more Islamic than non covered Muslim woman. Lots of other factors come into play. A Christian is measurable only by God Himself.

Yalar why does others need to mention about death, property, etc? Stay with the topic .

Exactly my second point in my first post. Think of her relationship with her parents. You can claim that she is doing on her own will, but you'll always be the propagator and the one that started it. You're putting a young girl's relationship with her parents at risk. Lets assume the worst case scenario happened, will you in the future, bear to have the fact that you had in hand, destroyed a girl's parental relationship? Thats why i mentioned be careful with what you do, because it involves many other things besides faith and love.

0. Fine, maybe I started this after telling her that I loved her but that's all
1. Alright, so what do you reckon that I do? talk to her parents about her coming to hear our sermons out of her own free will?
2. Stop her from going to the sermons? heh, I'm not going to do that to someone who already has an interest in Islam.
3. I'm not going to talk to her parents because it isnt like I told her to attend our meetings.
4. Plus, her parents... it's an 18 hours flight from here to there their house... and I still need to take AirAsia... to go to Sabah
5. Right now I would be just glad if she embraces Islam, marriage is secondary in the sense that I am not letting this be so I could marry her in the future

p/s I was just kidding when I said I'm 15. I'm actually a little older, studying in the BS level in a college with a steady income many would envy...

This post has been edited by mypetridish: Nov 8 2006, 11:28 PM

Ahh no wonder, the girls parents are far away from her, that why she is might be making so many wrong judgements.

Anyway from your post it seems that your a selfish person who just think of himself.

Please note that i emphasize on ur word "I could marry" rather than i will marry her after she convert (Possiblity of you dumping her ??).... That goes back to my point where if the relationship between both of you don't work up. then what stuck in Islam??.

Btw just for a note, she attending sermon doesn't mean that she love it very much, do you ever heard "when ur in love ur willing to sacrifice almost everything for your love ones". The things she is doing might be the part she is willing to take. In order of making you happy and to make possible the relationship between you two.

Steady income many could envy... ohh please..... Studying in college making money?? MLM ?? anyway sorry off topic

This post has been edited by wizard83: Nov 9 2006, 09:25 AM

Erm, she could possibly fly off with another cooler muslim dude she met during sermons.

Thats why, mypetridish's emphasis is first to proselytise Islam to her. She has to embrace it wholeheartedly so in any eventualities that they may break up, she still loves her new found religion.

And in this sense, it is advisable for mypetridish NOT to proselytise to her for she may embrace it BCOZ OF U. Go get other people, your mentor, or maybe other muslim friends that both of u know, to preach to her. Not you. Evangelism (be it christianity or islamity) is best to leave it to neautral parties to do the work. This way, if she does convert, its her desicion between herself and her god, and not because of you.
Shh...he get $$$ from giving buttsex to people. I tried it, and its gawd dem syok! Real cheap service too!

This part i totally agree with you if she wants to convert it must be of her free will not because of you. Or trying to be sacrifice to be with you.



ZOMG lol hope you guys dun get STD or AIDS or something

Nah, no worries. he is a pro. Wanna try? I get commission for intro new prospects MLM style.

This post has been edited by happy4ever: Nov 9 2006, 10:28 AM

hmm.. and what happens if she doesn't convert?
Would you be willing to convert instead of 'expecting' her to do so?
All these in the name of 'love'...

I doubt it from his post and the way he carry himself....
If not there would be a Male version of Lina Joy case...
(I pity yet support her courage) ops off topic

even if he wants to... i dont think it is possible...

why not every1 join my cult?
most of the world's wars now involve religion.... if every1 were 2 join my cult... then there will b peace...

but i do agree... if she joins bcos of her own free will... then go ahead... if she doesnt want... but she loves u... migrate ler.. even 2 indon is allowed

Heh,, japs's world war in asia aint nothing to do with religion.

Even Yaseer Arafat's wife is a christian, and accompanied her to her church during christmas.

The problem is this, she is now (according to threadstarter) wanting to embrace Islam..... but don't know her purpose of it because love of the God?, love to a guy?? or Clue-less / Impulsive in making decisions ..... one nvr know... maybe threadstarter should ask her check this thread then sure she will wake up ?? or have more ideas for her self ??
LOL but to me threadstarter is like "Kam Yu Low" aka GoldFish Guy

<<<I sense a possible thread closed from threadstarter fearing the worst case scenario>>>>

dont convert to muslim...convert to what also dont muslim...

Convert to what?

Satanism? Cannibalism? Eat-Shit-o-ism? Nazism? Communism?Buttsexism?

nah, i think you guys are the selfish one. i think u guys are afraid of losing a dear christian.

why should i stop her if i know she's doing it out of her own freewill? how many times should i emphasize that point?

and the reason i said "i could marry" her is because I'm not telling her to join Islam because of me. If i were to say "I will marry her if she joins Islam" wouldnt that make you sound like a retard now coz you are going to say that im forcing her to join Islam because of love?

Dont contradict yourself.

Well, they have this thing called minimum wage in the states you see. only those back home would sell themselves and promote fraud to gain the extra income, not me.

This post has been edited by mypetridish: Nov 9 2006, 01:10 PM

when i said join Islam because of me she hesitated.

when she read the first verse of the quran she started to gain interest.

at least she is trying to find out what's out there besides those offered by christianity.

I dont know who is being prejudice here, but Im sure it is not me.

Hi..
I Registered Just To Reply Here....
I Am Not Malaysian, And I Am A Free Thinker... With A Muslim Background...
I Have Been In A Relationship With A Chinese Christian Girl From Here. We Might Break Up Because Of Religion But That Will Be Her Decideion Not Mine Cause I Really Don't Mind Whatever She Is.
For Your Case. I Want To Ask Something.
Why Do You Want Her To Convert In The First Place?
I Am Not Sure About Malaysian Rules But In Islam You Can Get Married To A Christian Without Her Converting.

i like this sentences..


would you?

Why Would Anyone Convert! I Just Don't Get It!

P.S. Edi8888... You're Quite Offencive.

Why do I need to convert if I dun believe in the religion?! Is it because of him? Then I convert?! Like I'm cheating both parties. I cheated him, as I'm loving him. At the same time, being unfair/not respectful to the religion as well!



edited: soli, typo.

This post has been edited by edifgrto: Nov 9 2006, 01:47 PM

First'ly i dun give a nickel care bout whether she leaves christian or not I am not christian, i am was taoist chinese now a free thinker... Don't jump to conclusions did i ever said i was christian ??

If your doing the correct thing why not let her parents to find out !! rather doing everything from behind.

Yes.... ur not telling her to join directly .. but ask yourself why would someone suddenly want to join a religion without even consulting her parents... (note: she is not those rebelion type of girl to the parents from what you state).. Love is blind but powerful ?.If you love her so much would u want her to suffer because of ur own selfishness ??. A girl might be losing her parents relationship at a young age.
Like a saying Everything in this world can change but your parents can change soon you will still need to depend on them.

Since when am i contradicting myself ??

Well maybe to you i'm a retard but i do know my ethics and morality.... at least i not those who wait things to happen rather that those to make it happen and be proud of it happening.

Lastly save ur MLM like speech to someone else....retards like me don't really understand well

This post has been edited by wizard83: Nov 9 2006, 02:08 PM

1. Would a person sacrificing for another person will tell that particular person i am sacrificing myself ????

2. Yea sure she have the ability to read quran w/o anyone teaching ??
<< translated maybe, well i would never know>>. Gaining interest as a good read or curious what they are talking about ???

3.This i have no comments....<< dun want to touch those sensitive part don't want to get my behind hauled to ISA because of this >>

4.Prejudice ??? Nah... its a fact... going in easy , going out hard.... Easy to get annoyed when some talking bout religion via cartoons.... Trying to instill syariah laws at countries not belonging to you..... lets see wat else..... the list is long... but YET its truth..

sorry moderators i might be going overboard.....

Maybe you have something against Islam? It doesnt take a Christian to hate one being converted to Islam.

There is a lot of ex Christians, Taoists, Bhuddistsm etc who converted to Islam and chose to do it quietly. Only after they have a firm believe of their new religion would they announce it to their parents. It is obvious that their parents would object to their decission thus influencing their early decission to seek the truth within theirselves.

Explain why is it my responsibility to report her actions to her parents? you guys keep on telling me that Im doing things behind her parents back but I did nothing. She's doing this out of her own free will, so really, why should I tell her parents about this? And you guys keep on assuming that Im influencing her but only god knows, maybe he really want this to be.

Why suddenly she would have an interest in Islam? Why, "nur" and hidayah of course. Relevation. Probably she's starting to think that Christianity is.... not the right thing for her. Why do you guys have to assume that I'm causing this? Who knows if the real god actually want her to embrace Islam.

Why am I being attacaked for seemingly influencing her choice? You guys dont know her feelings, and hell im not going to stop her from moving towards Islam.

Heh I simply said Im not in one of those group. You couldnt even understand that, it shows you couldnt understand my other points either.


1. I dont know.

2. Even the bible wasnt written in English. So of course she's reading the translated together with the intrepetations

3. ???

4. Well, im not forcing her, she should know if she embraces Islam there's little way out.

No, no, you're fine. Dont worry about it.

This post has been edited by mypetridish: Nov 9 2006, 02:33 PM

another interesting trivia

shah rukh khan is a muslim and his wife is a hindu.

This post has been edited by quintessential: Nov 9 2006, 02:33 PM

if she doesnt convert then fine. she;ll return to christianity and Ill stay with Islam and we'll probably just stay as friends. take note that we arent couples too. she's not doing this because of me, im quite sure of that, and I'm closer to her so I would know better than say... you guys?

Hella no would I convert to any other religion. Not because of love, and not because of anythingelse because i know Islam is the right one. But lets not bring this discussion to a religion discussion.

Sorry my bad ... but however the way you speak is just like thos MLMlers talk always insist that they are not MLM so its easy to misunderstand.... This i'll backdown and appologise....


well one more thing... one i am curious the reason u post this thread ??? is it to show your success in going to make someone convert or asking for advice or etc ???

Anyway its your fren/ gf / or you would like to call it future spouse so all the best...
hopefully her parents dun cut off their ties with her.... Its sad to see a possible family outbreak anyways its not my problem either... All i can say is goodluck to her and hopefully someone she knows might talk some sense to her..

And threadstarter .........Good luck in your so HOLY ways....

If You Are Not Couples, Then What The Hell Are You Talking About?!! Take Note That Couples Doesn't Mean You "Have" To Have Sex, Kiss Or Even Hold Hands As Long As You Love Each Other.
Most People In This Country Don't Understand Religion & Many Hate Islam Cause Of The Government Laws Which In Many Cases Has Nothing To Do With Islam. What Does It Matter If You're A Muslim, Christian, Jew, Buddhist, Hindu, Free Thinker Or Whatever Else As Long As You Treat Yourself & Other People With Respect And Don't Step On Anyone's Freedom? You Say Islam Is Right. That Is An Opinion. All Religions Say Similer Things.

Whoa?....i didnt know! he so handsome and hamsap looking!

Since u two aren't couples, then go and do the needful la. post here for what? Want out advice on how to kau lui or how to convert her?

The irony in this thread is too strong and it blow my balls all over the place.

Threadstarter is confused himself.... Thats why i back down from my reply to his post.... He is asking for advice or bragging around or asking for FLAMES ??

Im just trying to see your reactions. this forum is too opinionated, given the polarized racial and religious composition, to ask for any advice.

so at the end it is still

my god > your god

You have already made up your mind even before starting this thread in the first place. You're starting this thread so that you would feel good if ppl agree with your opinion. More of an ego boost I might say.

Edit : Just want to add. Can you truthfully say that you're interested in her converting to Islam because of the beauty of the religion, or because you want something in it as well?

At some parts of your posts you said that you want her to see for herself what Islam has to offer, not against her free will. Then you said you might marry her if she did become a muslim. Then you said why should you tell her parents if she's already interested in your religion.

Conflicting needs, eh? Sounds to me like in the end, its actually what you want out of it. If you have no interest in marrying her, and want her to know about Islam more, then that's probably something normal (Christians do that quite often to me too), the true purpose of you wanting to tell her about your religion. But so far from your posts, it doesnt seem like that.

Seriously speaking, most of the time people would get up and do something because there's something in it for them.


This post has been edited by winkybear: Nov 9 2006, 05:30 PM

Obviously she isn't much of a Christian if she could get so interested in the Quran after reading a few lines and deciding to leave her faith and join yours. There is nothing wrong with religions, it's just that people think too much about it.

"My beliefs are right, yours is most definitely wrong"

It's basically a bunch of hogwash. My gf's buddhist. My dad's buddhist. My mother's Christian and so am I. What's the big deal? As long as you lead a good life and you don't do anything wrong.

You claim that the Christian GOD and your GOD is the same. So why does she need to convert then? You obviously have your own MO in this.

Indeed, you will be the cause between the riff of that girl and her parents, and possible the others in her life (since she's such a great Christian)

I suggest you walk away.

*Who put the idea of Islam into her head anyway?*

Think about it. It's easy to say "oh, if it doesn't work out she can go back to being a Christian" and we'll remain close friends. That's ridiculous. Things like these change a person.



This post has been edited by refnulf: Nov 9 2006, 05:28 PM

You're the man. You convey things much better than me.

just passing through.

I'd have to agree with IHM though that our government is a little too over zealous on this religion issue.

A little?It's WAY OVER.

nah, still ok compared with the Taliban.

most of the offensive feeling have over Islam is due to our government stupid policies rather than Islam as a relisgion itself.

Taliban!!! Take It Easy! The Government Here Is Quite Good In Other Issues. Much Better Than Mine Back Home At Least...
Many People Here Are Like You pasqualle, They Know Nothing About Islam (Literly). But They Just Hate It, & I Wonder Why

This post has been edited by IHM: Nov 9 2006, 06:40 PM

i will never drop a line in this forum...
religion is not something we should discuss about... too sensitive.

hmm....after reviewing back, mypetridish, if you are REALLY REALLY SERIOUS IN CONVERTING PEOPLE TO ISLAM REGARDLESS IF YOU LIKE HER OR NOT, THEN BY ALL MEANS PROSELYTISE YOUR RELIGION TO EVERYONE, AND NOT JUST YOUR GIRL!!!!

But the way I see it, evangelism/proselytising aint a standard practice in Islam. All the ever spread is through MARRIAGE and GIVING BIRTH. So you are only interested to for her to convert so you can have buttsex with her. Whether she likes you or not is irrelevant. This is not love. If it is, to hell with Islam/religion!

Well, you suck. Dumbass.

This post has been edited by happy4ever: Nov 9 2006, 06:58 PM

If its too sensitive, head over to RWI and slog it out.
Here, its flaming the TS.!

Religion is like sex. If her parents are conservative (Catholic, Islam, whatever), would you go to her parents and say, "Uncle, Aunty, can I take your daughter to sleep over at my house? Just one night..."

And just like sex and drugs, you need parental consent if the girl is still living under her parent's roof! And that's the simple truth.

My background is irrelevant. What threadstarter should think is whether he is willing to give up Islam and convert to Christianity EVEN THOUGH he breaks up with this girl. If he is willing, then... I salute you.

Btw, the girl is just confused. Everyone goes through this phase in some point of their life. Some, in their teens, 20s, or even in their old age! Religion is a very confusing topic. Dare I say, even Imams, Monks and Pastors all doubt their faith once in a while.

So, by not telling her parents about your relationship and her visits to Islamic gatherings, you're effectively giving her a sniff of your <insert favourite drug here>, and hoping that when she's hooked and ready to make a decision, her PARENTS won't have a say.

And that, ladies and gentleman, is called, taking advantage of a confused girl!

yea i agree wit excit3....if u really love her dont involved religion....if u really love her y not you convert? u have to put ur self in her shoes or mayb even in her parents shoe to understand wat the forumers are trying to say...i hope this help u

haih... the girl really have doubt in God thats why she's doing this... May God forgive her...

He wont convert because he will come back to Malaysia, and if he did convert, his butt will "open flower" for good.

Anyhow, he's just taking advantage of a supposedly "pious" girl who hasnt have a solid foundation in her own faith. And as a Christian who agrees to mypetridish's brainwashing technique (as all muslims use) to say that both their gods are the same, means she aint sure of her faith! Christians objects to this rediculous claim!

Yep, just leave religion out of love.