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post Nov 7 2006, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(mypetridish @ Nov 7 2006, 11:16 AM)
Sigh, it is impossible to ask your loved one to convert because of you. Maybe she would but that's not the way I wanted it done. She has to convert away from Christianity to Islam not because the love of me, but because of the love of Allah s.b.t.

Currently, I'm having my hopefully-future-spouse attend some of the Muslim Students Association meeting here and she even tag along out Jumaah prayer with the sisters. The talks make good sense, especially one that talked about the 5 pillars of Islam.

As a pious Christian, she could relate most of what we talked about with what she had learned. But it was quite complicated to explain why we believe that Jesus is a prophet, and not the son of God. We also pointed out that we all (Islam, Christian, Judaism) have the same God, Allah.

I actually had her wear the hijab and hey hey, she looked superbly gorgeous. laugh.gif

JHCJ, this is the same girl we used to talk about. This time I'm not luring her through myself, but through the beauty of Islam.  smile.gif
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I believe words from man's mouth alone wont bring forth a conversion. She herself must be convicted by your God, then only then, she will be burdened to look deeper into your faith. If however she is convinced that her faith and that Christ is her messiah, then....too bad la.

it is the most difficult to convert a Christian to Islam, and vice versa.
Only time will tell.
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post Nov 7 2006, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(mypetridish @ Nov 7 2006, 11:26 AM)
True that, I found my approach earlier was wrong and now I am trying to bring her closer to my god, although they are explicitly the same god. time will tell, definately, this time around though, if it doesnt happen I know it wont happen and will probably not try again.
She doesnt wear sexy. She's a true, pious Christian to begin with. She has been reading the bible for the past 1 year and told me there was something amiss about it. I introduced her to quran plus some not too healthy lifestyle which was wrong. And this time around it will purely be through Islam.
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Pious doesnt mean spiritual nor well grounded in the Bible.
If she is, your defination of the same God in Islam and Christianity is irrelevant to her...since Christians dont acknowledge the Islamic God as the same God. So your task is really an uphill task. Just dont push it too fast and hard. Get to know each other more. As much as you want her to know yr faith, be fair and show some interests in hers as well. Its not like " you can come to my islam, but Dont ask me to go to your church!". It wont work.

BTW, how long have you known her?
QUOTE(Setsunahq @ Nov 7 2006, 11:31 AM)
well, discussing religion in forum is bad news
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Its still better than having an Interfaith Forum live face2face and have over zealous gooks holding riot and going amok, jeapordising everyone's lives!

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post Nov 8 2006, 07:39 AM

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Its just like her, going in love with mypetridish, and try to convince you to christianity from Islam, would you think its even possible? Would you forgo what you've been taught all this while as wrong and that Jesus is really god? and the Prophet aint a prophet?

The same feeling you have, is exactly the same as hers. So, good luck la!

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post Nov 8 2006, 09:37 AM

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QUOTE(lilzany @ Nov 8 2006, 09:23 AM)
I think the only way mypetridish can marry peacefully without either one converting is to migrate to Australia and settle there.
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Or singapore. thumbup.gif
Assimilation to piss-drinkards culture is very goose!

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post Nov 8 2006, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(mypetridish @ Nov 8 2006, 10:18 AM)
yeah, she mentioned about that too. i told her it is up to her to 'yolk' with us or not and she said she wants to see both sides of the world...

and she's more chrisitan than most christians that ive seen. first of she dresses moderately, nothing skimpy. etc, nothing that i can describe and think from the back of my head. but overall, id say she's more chrisitan than most christians that ive seen.
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The way one dresses aint a determinant factor of one's spirituality. Besides, its subjective and defers from person to person.

Is she your gf yet? Seems like she is fond of you too, otherwise she wouldnt have bothered going to your gatherings.

QUOTE(Sim (2) @ Nov 8 2006, 10:38 AM)
luckily she's only know as christian.. not catholic.. she still have a choice to choose whether she want to convert to islam or stay the way she believed.. smile.gif
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Why do you say that? Catholics dont have a choice?
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post Nov 8 2006, 04:35 PM

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QUOTE(wizard83 @ Nov 8 2006, 04:28 PM)
Threadstarter do you think your doing the correct thing, going behind the girls parents, because of your selfish and rash act of showing the beauty of islam , u might be somehow spoilt and parents daughter relationship, ask yourself how old are you guys, yea sure she might be going there on her free will but , 1 hand clapping will nvr make any noisy, you might have influence her first. So lets say she convert to Islam and things between you guys did not work out then how ?? Did u think of her?? If you do please do think ...both of you are from different world .... If you want to get together just face to face with the parents not wait until "nasi sudah jadi bubur" then only tell them. If ur the parents and ur daughter doing something like that would you be happy?
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Heh, go to parents if and only if she has converted to ISlam on her own accord, and TOLD her parents of her conversion, then after all the hooohaahh had settle down, then only mypetridish go show his cute cute face to her parents.
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post Nov 9 2006, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(wizard83 @ Nov 9 2006, 09:22 AM)
Ahh no wonder, the girls parents are far away from her, that why she is might be making so many wrong judgements.

Anyway from your post it seems that your a selfish person who just think of himself.

Please note that i emphasize on ur word "I could marry" rather than i will marry her after she convert (Possiblity of you dumping her ??).... That goes back to my point where if the relationship between both of you don't work up. then what stuck in Islam??.

Btw just for a note, she attending sermon doesn't mean that she love it very much, do you ever heard "when ur in love ur willing to sacrifice almost everything for your love ones". The things she is doing might be the part she is willing to take. In order of making you happy and to make possible the relationship between you two.

Erm, she could possibly fly off with another cooler muslim dude she met during sermons. whistling.gif

Thats why, mypetridish's emphasis is first to proselytise Islam to her. She has to embrace it wholeheartedly so in any eventualities that they may break up, she still loves her new found religion.

And in this sense, it is advisable for mypetridish NOT to proselytise to her for she may embrace it BCOZ OF U. Go get other people, your mentor, or maybe other muslim friends that both of u know, to preach to her. Not you. Evangelism (be it christianity or islamity) is best to leave it to neautral parties to do the work. This way, if she does convert, its her desicion between herself and her god, and not because of you.
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Steady income many could envy... ohh please..... Studying in college making money?? MLM ??  anyway sorry off topic
Shh...he get $$$ from giving buttsex to people. I tried it, and its gawd dem syok! Real cheap service too!
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post Nov 9 2006, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(wizard83 @ Nov 9 2006, 10:15 AM)
This part i totally agree with you if she wants to convert it must be of  her free will not because of you. Or trying to be sacrifice to be with you.
ZOMG  shocking.gif lol hope you guys dun get STD or AIDS or something  whistling.gif
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Nah, no worries. he is a pro. notworthy.gif Wanna try? I get commission for intro new prospects MLM style.

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post Nov 9 2006, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(SeLrAhC @ Nov 9 2006, 11:05 AM)
even if he wants to... i dont think it is possible...

why not every1 join my cult?
most of the world's wars now involve religion.... if every1 were 2 join my cult... then there will b peace...

but i do agree... if she joins bcos of her own free will... then go ahead... if she doesnt want... but she loves u... migrate ler.. even 2 indon is allowed
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Heh,, japs's world war in asia aint nothing to do with religion.

Even Yaseer Arafat's wife is a christian, and accompanied her to her church during christmas.
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post Nov 9 2006, 12:36 PM

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QUOTE(Edi8888 @ Nov 9 2006, 12:24 PM)
dont convert to muslim...convert to what also dont muslim...
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Convert to what?

Satanism? Cannibalism? Eat-Shit-o-ism? Nazism? Communism?Buttsexism? thumbup.gif
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post Nov 9 2006, 03:59 PM

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QUOTE(quintessential @ Nov 9 2006, 02:33 PM)
another interesting trivia

shah rukh khan is a muslim and his wife is a hindu.
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Whoa?....i didnt know! he so handsome and hamsap looking!

QUOTE(mypetridish @ Nov 9 2006, 02:44 PM)
if she doesnt convert then fine. she;ll return to christianity and Ill stay with Islam and we'll probably just stay as friends. take note that we arent couples too. she's not doing this because of me, im quite sure of that, and I'm closer to her so I would know better than say... you guys?

Hella no would I convert to any other religion. Not because of love, and not because of anythingelse because i know Islam is the right one. But lets not bring this discussion to a religion discussion.
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Since u two aren't couples, then go and do the needful la. laugh.gif post here for what? Want out advice on how to kau lui or how to convert her?

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QUOTE(mypetridish @ Nov 9 2006, 04:20 PM)
Im just trying to see your reactions. this forum is too opinionated, given the polarized racial and religious composition, to ask for any advice.
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hmm....after reviewing back, mypetridish, if you are REALLY REALLY SERIOUS IN CONVERTING PEOPLE TO ISLAM REGARDLESS IF YOU LIKE HER OR NOT, THEN BY ALL MEANS PROSELYTISE YOUR RELIGION TO EVERYONE, AND NOT JUST YOUR GIRL!!!!

But the way I see it, evangelism/proselytising aint a standard practice in Islam. All the ever spread is through MARRIAGE and GIVING BIRTH. So you are only interested to for her to convert so you can have buttsex with her. Whether she likes you or not is irrelevant. This is not love. If it is, to hell with Islam/religion!

Well, you suck. Dumbass.

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QUOTE(King83 @ Nov 9 2006, 06:38 PM)
i will never drop a line in this forum...
religion is not something we should discuss about... too sensitive.
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If its too sensitive, head over to RWI and slog it out.
Here, its flaming the TS.! thumbup.gif
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post Nov 10 2006, 07:02 AM

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QUOTE(kevinboey86 @ Nov 9 2006, 11:29 PM)
yea i agree wit excit3....if u really love her dont involved religion....if u really love her y not you convert? u have to put ur self in her shoes or mayb even in her parents shoe to understand wat the forumers are trying to say...i hope this help u
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He wont convert because he will come back to Malaysia, and if he did convert, his butt will "open flower" for good.

Anyhow, he's just taking advantage of a supposedly "pious" girl who hasnt have a solid foundation in her own faith. And as a Christian who agrees to mypetridish's brainwashing technique (as all muslims use) to say that both their gods are the same, means she aint sure of her faith! Christians objects to this rediculous claim!

Yep, just leave religion out of love.
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post Nov 10 2006, 09:33 AM

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QUOTE(azxel @ Nov 10 2006, 09:21 AM)
Alright guys.. quit with the flaming... that goes for both sides and stick to the topic.

Unless everyone thinks that the topic should be closed up and packed away. Afterall, this is between the threadstarter and that girl. Talking about converting beliefs is just another topic of discussion that goes round and round without end. God gave us free will to decide for ourselves each and every thing or crossroads that we come to. He gave each and everyone of us a sound mind, to think and to choose. So, whatever it is, it will be we ourselves who has to answer to Him at the end of the day.
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sweat.gif yea..agree...heh heh..but flaming rawks!
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post Nov 13 2006, 07:10 PM

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QUOTE(Baronic @ Nov 13 2006, 06:00 PM)
ah this damn argument again. notice always christianity and islamic religion need to convert the partner. no insult intended, but its fact. why not just live together happily, religion is NOT important. just respect each other's religion! why must u love the person and yet be picky about religion? its like "i love u for who u are but can u please change something about u?" =.="

religion is a PERSONAL relationship with God. A ritual if u may call it, a faith that the individual believes in, and follows in hope of enlightenment or going to heaven or watever.

so, why bother about what your partner's religion is? if he/she is comfortable where he/she is, why ask her to change? Until u reach nirvana or something, concentrate on religion for youself first. Love shudnt have religion involved. let religion be personally for yourself. no need to go around finding converts.
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Why? Because the religion said so:
In Christianity, the Bible advised us not to be unequally yoked (yoke a small cow (or a donkey) with a much larger cow and see where they will head). Its not forced but advisable not too.
In Islam, the Man must be a Muslim to be in charge of the family. So if the wife is of other faith, it is still OK although not advisable.

And in these to faiths where the marriage of two religious people are materialised, conflict may occur such as when the male non-religious impose restrictions on his wife and children (if wife is a Christian or Muslim). So the advise is merely to save us from future troubles and risks that may jeapordise the believers' faith.

However, in countries where Islam is enforced via the Syariah, things get rather "forced" as freedom to choose is prohibited..

Besides, Religion is personal. So you have no right to claim it as NOT Important. To each his/her own right to believe it as important. Religious/spiritual people tend to put God first rather than anyone.

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