Sigh, it is impossible to ask your loved one to convert because of you. Maybe she would but that's not the way I wanted it done. She has to convert away from Christianity to Islam not because the love of me, but because of the love of Allah s.b.t.

Currently, I'm having my hopefully-future-spouse attend some of the Muslim Students Association meeting here and she even tag along out Jumaah prayer with the sisters. The talks make good sense, especially one that talked about the 5 pillars of Islam.

As a pious Christian, she could relate most of what we talked about with what she had learned. But it was quite complicated to explain why we believe that Jesus is a prophet, and not the son of God. We also pointed out that we all (Islam, Christian, Judaism) have the same God, Allah.

I actually had her wear the hijab and hey hey, she looked superbly gorgeous.

JHCJ, this is the same girl we used to talk about. This time I'm not luring her through myself, but through the beauty of Islam.

True that, I found my approach earlier was wrong and now I am trying to bring her closer to my god, although they are explicitly the same god. time will tell, definately, this time around though, if it doesnt happen I know it wont happen and will probably not try again.

She doesnt wear sexy. She's a true, pious Christian to begin with. She has been reading the bible for the past 1 year and told me there was something amiss about it. I introduced her to quran plus some not too healthy lifestyle which was wrong. And this time around it will purely be through Islam.

Im sorry but what is your point? I really couldnt get you.

Hm, I dont want to turn this into a religious zealot war...

But like i said, I do not want to convert her out of her love for me, but out of love for my god, Allah sbt.

I know there will be a lot of obstacles, that's why Im not forcing her into this. She's coming to the meetings out of her own free will. She's even earing a hijab when she goes there, which isnt just a symbol, but to respect the muslim brothers from seeing part of women's aurat.

her parents do not know about this. she didnt want to tell her parents about this untulk she's sure whther this is right or wrong. suppose that she tells her parents straight away, they will directly influence her to stop... so right now she's just figuring things out of her own...

why do you say that?

Ill consult with her parents when things are really quite going to happen.

if we were to talk to them now obviously they'll have us stop straight away which is not fair.

im letting her find out what fits her best. remember, she's coming here out of her own free will, im not forcing her to attend the jumaah prayers and listen the sermons

1. she said god is at the throne of her heart when i asked who does she love most
2. she would never miss a gospel meeting and goes to church every sunday and sometimes on saturday too.
3. she donates her 10% salary (scholarship allowence)
4. She reads and rereads the bible, and is apparently very in love with it

yeah, she mentioned about that too. i told her it is up to her to 'yolk' with us or not and she said she wants to see both sides of the world...

and she's more chrisitan than most christians that ive seen. first of she dresses moderately, nothing skimpy. etc, nothing that i can describe and think from the back of my head. but overall, id say she's more chrisitan than most christians that ive seen.

eh shut up. we havent even held hands yet and u guys are already talking about her dying.

we're talking about her now, her choice to yolk with us

0. Fine, maybe I started this after telling her that I loved her but that's all
1. Alright, so what do you reckon that I do? talk to her parents about her coming to hear our sermons out of her own free will?
2. Stop her from going to the sermons? heh, I'm not going to do that to someone who already has an interest in Islam.
3. I'm not going to talk to her parents because it isnt like I told her to attend our meetings.
4. Plus, her parents... it's an 18 hours flight from here to there their house... and I still need to take AirAsia... to go to Sabah
5. Right now I would be just glad if she embraces Islam, marriage is secondary in the sense that I am not letting this be so I could marry her in the future

p/s I was just kidding when I said I'm 15. I'm actually a little older, studying in the BS level in a college with a steady income many would envy...

This post has been edited by mypetridish: Nov 8 2006, 11:28 PM

nah, i think you guys are the selfish one. i think u guys are afraid of losing a dear christian.

why should i stop her if i know she's doing it out of her own freewill? how many times should i emphasize that point?

and the reason i said "i could marry" her is because I'm not telling her to join Islam because of me. If i were to say "I will marry her if she joins Islam" wouldnt that make you sound like a retard now coz you are going to say that im forcing her to join Islam because of love?

Dont contradict yourself.

Well, they have this thing called minimum wage in the states you see. only those back home would sell themselves and promote fraud to gain the extra income, not me.

This post has been edited by mypetridish: Nov 9 2006, 01:10 PM

when i said join Islam because of me she hesitated.

when she read the first verse of the quran she started to gain interest.

at least she is trying to find out what's out there besides those offered by christianity.

I dont know who is being prejudice here, but Im sure it is not me.

Maybe you have something against Islam? It doesnt take a Christian to hate one being converted to Islam.

There is a lot of ex Christians, Taoists, Bhuddistsm etc who converted to Islam and chose to do it quietly. Only after they have a firm believe of their new religion would they announce it to their parents. It is obvious that their parents would object to their decission thus influencing their early decission to seek the truth within theirselves.

Explain why is it my responsibility to report her actions to her parents? you guys keep on telling me that Im doing things behind her parents back but I did nothing. She's doing this out of her own free will, so really, why should I tell her parents about this? And you guys keep on assuming that Im influencing her but only god knows, maybe he really want this to be.

Why suddenly she would have an interest in Islam? Why, "nur" and hidayah of course. Relevation. Probably she's starting to think that Christianity is.... not the right thing for her. Why do you guys have to assume that I'm causing this? Who knows if the real god actually want her to embrace Islam.

Why am I being attacaked for seemingly influencing her choice? You guys dont know her feelings, and hell im not going to stop her from moving towards Islam.

Heh I simply said Im not in one of those group. You couldnt even understand that, it shows you couldnt understand my other points either.


1. I dont know.

2. Even the bible wasnt written in English. So of course she's reading the translated together with the intrepetations

3. ???

4. Well, im not forcing her, she should know if she embraces Islam there's little way out.

No, no, you're fine. Dont worry about it.

This post has been edited by mypetridish: Nov 9 2006, 02:33 PM

if she doesnt convert then fine. she;ll return to christianity and Ill stay with Islam and we'll probably just stay as friends. take note that we arent couples too. she's not doing this because of me, im quite sure of that, and I'm closer to her so I would know better than say... you guys?

Hella no would I convert to any other religion. Not because of love, and not because of anythingelse because i know Islam is the right one. But lets not bring this discussion to a religion discussion.

Im just trying to see your reactions. this forum is too opinionated, given the polarized racial and religious composition, to ask for any advice.

yeah i know it tastes great. but i dont want to convert twice, that is... how am i supposed to put this. why would i want to convert back to the religion i converted away from? hm?

why is this thread inappropriate? if there's something that is inappropriate, it is the replies

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Added on April 15, 2007, 8:07 pmoh on a side note, she's converting today at the mosque. she didnt do it because of me though, I introduced her to a female friend who taught her the fundamentals of islam. she fell in love with islam by herself.

it's a good news to all of us. just so u know, it happens all the time here in my area for people to conver to muslims. i'm just happy that i helped a dear friend find the right most ways.

well, let's close this thread then

This post has been edited by mypetridish: Apr 15 2007, 08:07 PM