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post Jul 12 2015, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Jul 12 2015, 01:30 PM)
You should stop wondering and make any further detective work on how much the ROI dropped; since the relevant info on how long the investment was held was not giventongue.gif

You should also note that the -6.5% is based on a chart with a 3 weeks old date as its starting point. If you use one-year-old date, or any other date as the starting point, the growth rate will be different. Maybe showing a huge gain instead of a negative growth.

"...his China fund's IRR dropped from 20%+ to IRR 10%"
Are you working on the wrong premise that the drop is -10%?

Be careful with the "English" in the sentences.
It only shows a 10% difference; not a "drop in percentage".

A "percentage drop" is calculated based on its initial value. Going from 20 to 10, is a -50% drop.  smile.gif

So you see, you have made several wrong maths logic to built up a question or maths problem. How to find a valid solution to an invalid problem?  wink.gif
Thank you. I think it is worthwhile to further clarify some maths logic, especially IRR, since it has implications on how we do the 'investments' in unit trusts.
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rclxms.gif yes,...seems like how long the investment period did have BIG play in how the ROI% moves....
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did a trial and error method.....



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post Jul 12 2015, 03:42 PM

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QUOTE(idyllrain @ Jul 12 2015, 12:57 AM)
If anyone's interested, I've added the following code in polarzbearz IRR Excel sheet to obtain the latest NAV prices from FSM with just one click (I attached the macro to a button).
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As this code relies on FSM's price list pages, if there's any changes to that in the future, this code will break. The only modifications done on the table was changing Column C into the Fund Codes used at FundSuperMart (You can get these from the URL: http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...do?sedolnumber=MYKNGGF) and adding the value "*exit*" into the final row of Column C.
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why is that when I tried to click on that link.....
it shows this....
(I just wanted to see what is the code for my funds...sort of a lists of them)


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post Jul 12 2015, 04:53 PM

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guys, what is your take on Hwang Select Asia (ex Japan) Quantum Fund?

If were to compare with other Asia ex Japan funds, it's a laggard for a star fund I assumed.

Was it due to the fact that other funds have bigger exposure on China market which had an good annualized return over the past few years? or, this affin hwang merger really screw it?

p/s: still yield me a decent return tho.

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post Jul 12 2015, 04:54 PM

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QUOTE(@secret@ @ Jul 12 2015, 04:53 PM)
guys, what is your take on Hwang Select Asia (ex Japan) Quantum Fund?

If were to compare with other Asia ex Japan funds, it's a laggard for a star fund I assumed.

Was it due to the fact that other funds have bigger exposure on China market which had an good annualized return over the past few years? or, this affin hwang merger really screw it?
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Well it invests in small cap companies. Different sector.

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post Jul 12 2015, 05:07 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Jul 12 2015, 04:54 PM)
Well it invests in small cap companies. Different sector.
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can't help myself to 'cross-sector'

then only can compare with RHB Asian Growth Opp Fund hmm.gif
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Euro zone demands more from Greece, delays decision on aid

BRUSSELS (Reuters) - Skeptical euro zone finance ministers demanded on Saturday that Greece go beyond painful austerity measures accepted by Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras if he wants them to open negotiations on a third bailout for his bankrupt country to keep it in the euro

URL: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/greek-pm-see...-001513836.html
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post Jul 12 2015, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Jul 12 2015, 03:42 PM)
why is that when I tried to click on that link.....
it shows this....
(I just wanted to see what is the code for my funds...sort of a lists of them)
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Thats because when I bolded the "code" part of the URL, the link got broken.

Broken: http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...do?sedolnumber=MYKNGGF (the bold part cannot be clicked)
Same Link without Bold: http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...lnumber=MYKNGGF
Price list that the excel macro gets: http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi....tpl?id=MYKNGGF

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post Jul 12 2015, 05:33 PM

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QUOTE(idyllrain @ Jul 12 2015, 05:27 PM)
Thats because when I bolded the "code" part of the URL, the link got broken.

Broken: http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...do?sedolnumber=MYKNGGF (the bold part cannot be clicked)
Same Link without Bold: http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi...lnumber=MYKNGGF
Price list that the excel macro gets: http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/fundi....tpl?id=MYKNGGF
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post Jul 12 2015, 05:35 PM

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QUOTE(idyllrain @ Jul 12 2015, 12:57 AM)

Also, the formula for the Units calculation in Column M will sometimes result in an amount that doesn't reflect the value shown on FSM's website as the rounding order is different.

This is the existing rounding formula in Column M (Removed the @ coz it will trigger tagging):
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(-ROUND((ROUND(([Amount]/(1+([[Sales Charge / Redemption Fee]]*(1+[[GST %]])))),2)/[[NAV Price]]),2))+[[Transaction Manual Adj.]]

Changing it to this has resulted in all my values matching the ones on FSM's website:
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(-ROUND((ROUND(([Amount]/(1+([[Sales Charge / Redemption Fee]]*(1+[[GST %]]))))/[[NAV Price]],2)),2))+[[Transaction Manual Adj.]]

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Regarding the above formula, I have tested with my sample (which is relatively small also) and seems like it will still sometime returns wrong decimal calculation (which requires manual transaction adjustment). Need to test further on the rounding but guess I'll leave it untouched in coming version for now.

Surprisingly, some of the transaction which requires "Manual Adjustment" were fixed with your formula, but some of those transaction which was accurate (no issues) now requires manual adjustment laugh.gif
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QUOTE(polarzbearz @ Jul 12 2015, 05:35 PM)
Regarding the above formula, I have tested with my sample (which is relatively small also) and seems like it will still sometime returns wrong decimal calculation (which requires manual transaction adjustment). Need to test further on the rounding but guess I'll leave it untouched in coming version for now.

Surprisingly, some of the transaction which requires "Manual Adjustment" were fixed with your formula, but some of those transaction which was accurate (no issues) now requires manual adjustment laugh.gif
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smile.gif In that case then yeah, I agree its best to use your version. I'll update my posts to reflect your findings.
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post Jul 12 2015, 05:48 PM

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QUOTE(idyllrain @ Jul 12 2015, 05:40 PM)
smile.gif In that case then yeah, I agree its best to use your version. I'll update my posts to reflect your findings.
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Still trying to mess around with the placement of ROUND, ROUNDDOWN, but seems like there's always one or two weird transactions which just... have odd decimal sweat.gif

Will try it again next time laugh.gif
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post Jul 12 2015, 06:23 PM

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post Jul 12 2015, 06:57 PM

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Released v2.0 of the Portfolio Summary worksheet, with "Fund Update" features to fetch latest NAV price from FSM directly. Please remember to "ENABLE MACRO" when prompted by Microsoft Excel, as it is required for the Macro to run.
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Here's the code for the macro to fetch NAV Price from FSM website, if anyone is interested:
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Download Link: http://bit.ly/polarzbearzPortfolioSummary2
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Special Thanks: idyllrain, for providing the original macro to fetch fund prices from FSM directly.

Pink Spider Need your help to update the download link in the front page tongue.gif The old link no longer works as I've converted the file extension, resulting in different dropbox link sad.gif

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post Jul 12 2015, 07:31 PM

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QUOTE(polarzbearz @ Jul 12 2015, 05:48 PM)
Still trying to mess around with the placement of ROUND, ROUNDDOWN, but seems like there's always one or two weird transactions which just... have odd decimal sweat.gif

Will try it again next time laugh.gif
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my experience is CIMB always round down wink.gif
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polarbear test my link ok or not? tongue.gif
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post Jul 12 2015, 07:37 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jul 12 2015, 07:31 PM)
my experience is CIMB always round down wink.gif
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Hmm, that could be the reason of deviation. Round down makes every transaction (with CIMB) appears OK, but other houses like RHB-OSK CMF became not ok sweat.gif

Gonna test more and if confirmed that differences come from different rounding methods per fundhouse, nothing much can be done (too much hassle tongue.gif) but use the manual adjustment

QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Jul 12 2015, 07:35 PM)
polarbear test my link ok or not? tongue.gif
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Tested OK thumbup.gif notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(polarzbearz @ Jul 12 2015, 07:37 PM)
Hmm, that could be the reason of deviation. Round down makes every transaction (with CIMB) appears OK, but other houses like RHB-OSK CMF became not ok sweat.gif

Gonna test more and if confirmed that differences come from different rounding methods per fundhouse, nothing much can be done (too much hassle tongue.gif) but use the manual adjustment
Tested OK thumbup.gif  notworthy.gif
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ONLY CIMB rounds down, the rest all round to nearest 2 decimals
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