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angelic88
post Sep 27 2022, 11:35 AM

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I have a question,
Does anyone did a water test from the lab for a before / after filter water report ?

In theory, you need to know what you want to fix in your water supply rather than throw everything at it even if its unnecessary right ?

Pretty sure they cost less than the filter too ?
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post Sep 27 2022, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(angelic88 @ Sep 27 2022, 11:35 AM)
I have a question,
Does anyone did a water test from the lab for a before / after filter water report ?

In theory, you need to know what you want to fix in your water supply rather than throw everything at it even if its unnecessary right ?

Pretty sure they cost less than the filter too ?
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too much. they have done a water test . and thats why u get a branded water purifier ...
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post Sep 27 2022, 05:37 PM

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But without a full view , you will never know what you truly need

is your chlorine too high ? should call syabas
is your TDS high ? if yes , what is the dissolved metal , is it harmful ?
is your water contaminated with bacteria / virus ? also need to call syabas
are you having hardwater ? need iron prefilter ? need water softener ? else you are killing the water filter quickly too.


i also watch a youtube video before stating that bacteria can grow on carbon block as well, if leave long enough it will become a breeding ground for bacteria. ( from removing chlorine to adding bacteria , well... )

hmmmmmm , point to pounder , but someone say lab will not entertain you too, can we call syabas for test data ?
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post Sep 27 2022, 10:19 PM

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2. how many pax in your household? 2
3. got senior / babies / people with disease like kidney failure for example in the house? nope
4. can you able to do some small DIY installing yourself or not? (like replacement filter yourself?) yes
5. how much u afford to installment per month for at least 5 years? 50/mth or 100/mth or 150/mth? below 70
6. or do u prefer 1-time off purchase? below 1k or 2k or 3k? 3k- 4k
7. do you own external water filter yet? nope
8. hot/water function is it a must for you? will you willing to fork out another RM50/mth electricity bill for the feature? or you just stick with thermal pot + fridge cold water? hot water is must but RM50 electricity bill?? seriously??

Met a cuckoo SA tat day, he told me that purifier with tank is better as water flow is faster and save more electric, is that true?
hestati
post Sep 28 2022, 09:38 PM

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QUOTE(angelic88 @ Sep 27 2022, 05:37 PM)
But without a full view , you will never know what you truly need

is your chlorine too high ? should call syabas
is your TDS high ? if yes , what is the dissolved metal , is it harmful ?
is your water contaminated with bacteria / virus ? also need to call syabas
are you having hardwater ? need iron prefilter ? need water softener ? else you are killing the water filter quickly too.
i also watch a youtube video before stating that bacteria can grow on carbon block as well, if leave long enough it will become a breeding ground for bacteria. ( from removing chlorine to adding bacteria , well... )

hmmmmmm , point to pounder , but someone say lab will not entertain you too, can we call syabas for test data ?
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This is a good point. However, there is an issue with this test, it gives you VERY limited information. It tells you what was in your water at that date and time.

These tests are really useful if you have a private well. You then pretty much 99.9% in control of your pipes, water source etc.

When we are talking about public water system and things like condo water tank, then what is in your water can change from day to day and even hour to hour. Was there any contamination, was your condo tank cleaned this month (or ever) and so on. The filter actually acts as an insurance. It covers you IN CASE of all of these events, while removing smell/taste/chlorine for every day use.

And yes, this is what I always say - carbon block, even when protected by silver ions, eventually becomes a breading ground for bacteria, must change it yearly. Do not listen to anyone who says "manufacturer said it can last up to 2 years". Yes it can, it will be removing chlorine, but it will also do more harm than good and you will not know it. This is why you need good carbon, silver protected, this is why you need to change it timely. Tap water in Europe is 10 degrees, tap water in Malaydia can be 30+ degrees. Bacteria grow a lot quicker in warmer water, carbon desactivates faster.

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post Sep 28 2022, 11:43 PM

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QUOTE(hotNcool @ Sep 27 2022, 09:07 AM)
what would you say if in your opinion, im not really know bout these, just start surveying in this forum, dulu i pakai esping, buy outright settle everything , but espring i have no extra money for another new unit shocking.gif
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What is really important for you? Maybe you need clean normal water and hot water dispenser? Maybe you do not need hot water and can get instant kettle later instead of plugged in dispenser? You can get a quality system under 1K or close to it and later on add dispenser, for example, either tankless or not, which will be roughly 400-500RM
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QUOTE(hestati @ Sep 28 2022, 09:38 PM)
This is a good point. However, there is an issue with this test, it gives you VERY limited information. It tells you what was in your water at that date and time.

These tests are really useful if you have a private well. You then pretty much 99.9% in control of your pipes, water source etc.

When we are talking about public water system and things like condo water tank, then what is in your water can change from day to day and even hour to hour. Was there any contamination, was your condo tank cleaned this month (or ever) and so on. The filter actually acts as an insurance. It covers you IN CASE of all of these events, while removing smell/taste/chlorine for every day use.

And yes, this is what I always say - carbon block, even when protected by silver ions, eventually becomes a breading ground for bacteria, must change it yearly. Do not listen to anyone who says "manufacturer said it can last up to 2 years". Yes it can, it will be removing chlorine, but it will also do more harm than good and you will not know it. This is why you need good carbon, silver protected, this is why you need to change it timely. Tap water in Europe is 10 degrees, tap water in Malaydia can be 30+ degrees. Bacteria grow a lot quicker in warmer water, carbon desactivates faster.
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Having different water quality at different point of time is valid too.
I guess for syabas , at least out of their water treatment plant will have a guideline to follow.
So, if you want to go with the test route, you will have to do time average test, such as take few waters sample in different time to be more consistent

This will give you at least some guidelines in between syabas to your house, is anything "extra" coming into the water and also overhead on how much insurance you would want to put in your water filter system. Not to say overboard to be perfectly clear (this would be RO water).

Do you think chlorine test would be a nice indicator for carbon block changing test ?
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post Oct 6 2022, 05:35 PM

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QUOTE(angelic88 @ Oct 6 2022, 04:50 PM)
Having different water quality at different point of time is valid too.
I guess for syabas , at least out of their water treatment plant will have a guideline to follow.
So, if you want to go with the test route, you will have to do time average test, such as take few waters sample in different time to be more consistent

This will give you at least some guidelines in between syabas to your house, is anything "extra" coming into the water and also overhead on how much insurance you would want to put in your water filter system. Not to say overboard to be perfectly clear (this would be RO water).

Do you think chlorine test would be a nice indicator for carbon block changing test ?
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Not really, becaus it may still be able to remove most of chlorine, but already leaching silver and breeding bacteria inside. I would do chlorine test before 1 year just to check say cheaper carbon block, but after 1 year wouldn't risk it with either cheap or expensive one.
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post Oct 8 2022, 10:36 PM

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QUOTE(mnibar @ Sep 26 2022, 08:16 PM)
Just install this model so far so good. If you like drinking cold water you will only get 500ml cold water before cold level drop from 3 to 2 bar
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Hi can share if this LG model need any minimum level of water presssure to operate? What if outside house already have membrance type outdoor filter, will it cause pressure too low for the LG filter when dispensing water? Thanks.
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post Oct 9 2022, 11:17 PM

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QUOTE(Jason2021 @ Oct 8 2022, 10:36 PM)
Hi can share if this LG model need any minimum level of water presssure to operate? What if outside house already have membrance type outdoor filter, will it cause pressure too low for the LG filter when dispensing water? Thanks.
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Most cartridges have like 30psi pressure requirements, however in Malaysia 30psi is rare. Unless you have almost 0 flow, you should be fine
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post Oct 10 2022, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(hestati @ Oct 9 2022, 11:17 PM)
Most cartridges have like 30psi pressure requirements, however in Malaysia 30psi is rare. Unless you have almost 0 flow, you should be fine
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They do check your psi but i never ask what is the min requirement . The installer said if too low you will need to add the pump. also use the outfdoor filter sand type no issue so far
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post Oct 10 2022, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(mnibar @ Oct 10 2022, 01:18 PM)
They do check your psi but i never ask what is the min requirement . The installer said if too low you will need to add the pump. also use the outfdoor filter sand type no issue so far
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You mean the installer of LG? When he checked, did he tell you what was the pressure or just did it for himself?
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post Oct 10 2022, 02:56 PM

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QUOTE(hestati @ Oct 10 2022, 02:24 PM)
You mean the installer of LG? When he checked, did he tell you what was the pressure or just did it for himself?
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Yup he just did for himself to check if the pressure enough or not.
If low pressure you will need add additional rental for the waterpump
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post Oct 10 2022, 09:54 PM

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2. how many pax in your household? *3*
3. got senior / babies / people with disease like kidney failure for example in the house? *no*
4. can you able to do some small DIY installing yourself or not? (like replacement filter yourself?) *yes*
5. how much u afford to installment per month for at least 5 years? 50/mth or 100/mth or 150/mth? *not applicable*
6. or do u prefer 1-time off purchase? below 1k or 2k or 3k? *below 2k*
7. do you own external water filter yet? *no*
8. hot/water function is it a must for you? will you willing to fork out another RM50/mth electricity bill for the feature? or you just stick with thermal pot + fridge cold water? *yes and no*

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post Oct 12 2022, 08:52 AM

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QUOTE(mnibar @ Sep 26 2022, 08:16 PM)
Just install this model so far so good. If you like drinking cold water you will only get 500ml cold water before cold level drop from 3 to 2 bar
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wow..2ltr cold water.. i daily not more than 500ml cold water.
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post Oct 13 2022, 04:22 PM

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anyone might share BACFREE Watero UF All-In-One Instant Heating Smart Water Filter Dispenser With 5 Stage Filtration System review or user experience?

no need to drill (drill need more money and we budget tight on reno ) doh.gif
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post Oct 14 2022, 12:12 AM

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QUOTE(hotNcool @ Oct 13 2022, 04:22 PM)
anyone might share BACFREE Watero UF All-In-One Instant Heating Smart Water Filter Dispenser With 5 Stage Filtration System review or user experience?

no need to drill (drill need more money and we budget tight on reno ) doh.gif
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Spec sounds so powerful on paper, but no NSF/WQA certification or so pulak?
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If RM999 to buy on something feature rich but no proper certification, I might as well go buy the same price RM999 for Aquasana model. At least come with full proper certification.
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Since you are doing renovation, and you got a budget of RM100k to renovate your house, if there are 2 contractors and both came with the same quotation price, one with CIDB license and another doesn't not, which one you choose?
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post Oct 14 2022, 01:50 AM

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QUOTE(hotNcool @ Oct 13 2022, 04:22 PM)
anyone might share BACFREE Watero UF All-In-One Instant Heating Smart Water Filter Dispenser With 5 Stage Filtration System review or user experience?

no need to drill (drill need more money and we budget tight on reno ) doh.gif
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Filtration elements in these are meeeh. Drilling cost is like 100RM, but you gea a far more superior product, like undersink filter. Can add dispenser later on if budget is tight now
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QUOTE(NightFelix @ Oct 14 2022, 12:12 AM)
Spec sounds so powerful on paper, but no NSF/WQA certification or so pulak?
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If RM999 to buy on something feature rich but no proper certification, I might as well go buy the same price RM999 for Aquasana model. At least come with full proper certification.
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Since you are doing renovation, and you got a budget of RM100k to renovate your house, if there are 2 contractors and both came with the same quotation price, one with CIDB license and another doesn't not, which one you choose?
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no 100k from me, everyone would choose a better option lar
might go to find more bout aquasana
but can you suggest me the aquasana, coz i only see sterra y tank on y search and aquasana result from oversea

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post Oct 14 2022, 12:00 PM

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QUOTE(corad @ Aug 30 2022, 01:34 PM)
trying to find reviews on INTRIX water filter, specifically the Reins Plus Premium Duo Tap.

Looking for undersink type filter, any pointers on what's a better buy in Malaysia ? My carpenter messed up the dish washer cabinet dimension so now we're going to use it for water filter instead ...
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I was looking into Intrix as well. Not much info. Did you settle on alternative?

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