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SUSPink Spider
post Oct 21 2015, 10:50 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Oct 21 2015, 10:42 AM)
Lol.. you did not specifically say KLSE stock mar.. tongue.gif

If KLSE got no bargain liao.. good plantation like Genting plant and TSH is selling PE >20x  sweat.gif
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WTK...quite young trees...PE less than 10 hmm.gif
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post Oct 21 2015, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Oct 21 2015, 10:50 AM)
No money and no stocks inside la........ tongue.gif
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No wonder they close you .. whistling.gif

You want to suck the research report onli... laugh.gif
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post Oct 21 2015, 10:52 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 21 2015, 10:50 AM)
WTK...quite young trees...PE less than 10 hmm.gif
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Issit.. how young is young .. and how many ha left to plant? tongue.gif

Edit : Checked WTK is based in Sarawak.. sorry no touch Sarawak plantations... tongue.gif

Edit 2 : You noticed or not.. almost all sarawak based plantations are selling at low PE... brows.gif

This post has been edited by gark: Oct 21 2015, 10:58 AM
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post Oct 21 2015, 10:59 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Oct 21 2015, 10:52 AM)
Issit.. how young is young .. and how many ha left to plant?  tongue.gif

Edit : Checked WTK is based in Sarawak.. sorry no touch Sarawak plantations...  tongue.gif

Edit 2 : You noticed or not.. almost all sarawak based plantations are selling at low PE...  brows.gif
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Pek Moh? tongue.gif
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post Oct 21 2015, 11:02 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 21 2015, 10:59 AM)
Pek Moh? tongue.gif
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Peat soil ... tongue.gif
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post Oct 21 2015, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Oct 21 2015, 11:02 AM)
Peat soil ...  tongue.gif
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I dunno all these stuff blush.gif

I only know analyse financials

I still prefer Ta Ann over WTK

But my friend hard selling WTK hmm.gif
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post Oct 21 2015, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Oct 21 2015, 10:51 AM)
No wonder they close you ..  whistling.gif

You want to suck the research report onli...  laugh.gif
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Opened account last time cos of friend's friend....

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post Oct 21 2015, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Oct 21 2015, 10:43 AM)
If broker says 2 days then you got no choice.
Perhaps 2 days is the time required for the money to clear. You bank in cheque?
Anyway, on a slightly different perspective.....

Now, if I were to be caught in the similar situation where I feel totally pissed off with the lack of professionalism...
What I will do is....

CLOSE the damn account and move on to another broker.

Why?

When I trade, I LIKE to know that I am able to trade freely without any SMALL stuff bothering my trading business.

I would hate to call the broker for trivial issues like clearing of cheques, transfer of money, frequent downtime etc etc etc....
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Already make deposit just now. Have to wait for tomorrow. To activate back have to make a transaction once. sweat.gif

QUOTE(gark @ Oct 21 2015, 10:48 AM)
Then the money and stock inside.. closed too?  sweat.gif

My other brokerage i leave for donkey years (the highest so far is >5 years) without login.. still ok wor..

Lucky i got no OSK account..  tongue.gif
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What broker u use bro?
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post Oct 21 2015, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 21 2015, 11:05 AM)
I dunno all these stuff blush.gif

I only know analyse financials

I still prefer Ta Ann over WTK

But my friend hard selling WTK hmm.gif
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Peat soil cost more $$$ to plant (stripping, drainage), cost more to maintain (soil conditioning & fertilizer use), damaging to environment (due to massive green house gas release) and have lower palm oil yield. Also CPO from peat soil plantation is selling below actual price due to RSPO ban. Prominent companies like Wilmar, Nestle, Unilever will not buy oils from peat soil plantations. Environmental friendly fund manager wont touch it either..

So Higher fixed cost, higher variable cost & lower revenue = less margin compared to other planters

Add in less support from institutional... (especially foreign).. wink.gif

P.s. The haze you are smelling now is due to peat soil fire in Kalimantan.. brows.gif

This post has been edited by gark: Oct 21 2015, 11:15 AM
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post Oct 21 2015, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Oct 21 2015, 11:09 AM)
Peat soil cost more $$$ to plant (stripping, drainage), cost more to maintain (soil conditioning & fertilizer use), damaging to environment (due to massive green house gas release) and have lower palm oil yield. Also CPO from peat soil plantation is selling below actual price due to RSPO ban. Prominent companies like Wilmar, Nestle, Unilever will not buy oils from peat soil plantations. Environmental friendly fund manager wont touch it either.. 

So Higher fixed cost, higher variable cost & lower revenue = less margin compared to other planters

Add in less support from institutional... (especially foreign)..  wink.gif

P.s. The haze you are smelling now is due to peat soil fire in Kalimantan..  brows.gif
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What's your opinion of KMLoong?

Any idea where to search for average tree age apart from analyst reports? I think not all comp annual reports n website give that info.

Was checking out First Resources = super rock solid in comparison to Golden Agri.

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post Oct 21 2015, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Oct 21 2015, 11:09 AM)
Peat soil cost more $$$ to plant (stripping, drainage), cost more to maintain (soil conditioning & fertilizer use), damaging to environment (due to massive green house gas release) and have lower palm oil yield. Also CPO from peat soil plantation is selling below actual price due to RSPO ban. Prominent companies like Wilmar, Nestle, Unilever will not buy oils from peat soil plantations. Environmental friendly fund manager wont touch it either.. 

So Higher fixed cost, higher variable cost & lower revenue = less margin compared to other planters

Add in less support from institutional... (especially foreign)..  wink.gif
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omai cry.gif
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post Oct 21 2015, 11:55 AM

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Rhb also suppork firstres http://klse.i3investor.com/blogs/rhb/84289.jsp
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post Oct 21 2015, 12:31 PM

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QUOTE(TC-Titan @ Oct 21 2015, 11:24 AM)
What's your opinion of KMLoong?

Any idea where to search for average tree age apart from analyst reports? I think not all comp annual reports n website give that info.

Was checking out First Resources = super rock solid in comparison to Golden Agri.
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Donno about Km loong.. have to see average tree age, land reserve and location. tongue.gif

Tree age is usually reported in the Annual Report.. not on Q reports.. tongue.gif
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post Oct 21 2015, 12:33 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 21 2015, 11:27 AM)
omai cry.gif
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But if high CPO price.. everyone enjoi.. even lower margin ones.. brows.gif

This post has been edited by gark: Oct 21 2015, 12:33 PM
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post Oct 21 2015, 12:39 PM

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How about bumitama? Last time someone posted a comparison with first resources and conclusion was bumitama is good too..
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post Oct 21 2015, 12:41 PM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Oct 21 2015, 11:27 AM)
omai cry.gif
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so many reits one your portfolio tongue.gif

Padini good meh? hmm.gif

I gave up your Taan already, after holding few days, read the financial report and news...hmm

involved in timber business hmm.gif the main reason I don't like tongue.gif

maybe I see not much future in timber business la, all political linked one taib related brows.gif .

somemore director always got negative news involved in money laundering sweat.gif
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post Oct 21 2015, 12:42 PM

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QUOTE(Suicidal Guy @ Oct 21 2015, 12:39 PM)
How about bumitama? Last time someone posted a comparison with first resources and conclusion was bumitama is good too..
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why all talking about indo company and sg company one tongue.gif ? AM I in the right thread ? laugh.gif
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post Oct 21 2015, 12:45 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Oct 21 2015, 12:33 PM)
But if high CPO price.. everyone enjoi.. even lower margin ones..  brows.gif
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USD is not plunging....again.

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post Oct 21 2015, 12:46 PM

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QUOTE(cooldownguy86 @ Oct 21 2015, 11:55 AM)
Ah Sam.

Rhb one cannot pakai one. tongue.gif


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post Oct 21 2015, 12:46 PM

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QUOTE(TC-Titan @ Oct 21 2015, 11:24 AM)
What's your opinion of KMLoong?

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KM Loong

Johor - 1,093 Ha
Sarawak - 10,471 Ha (Plantable only 6,300 Ha, newest venture)
Sabah - 11,948 Ha

Total Planted
Mature - 13,581 Ha
Immature - 1,320 Ha
Unplanted - 461 Ha

Yield : 22.49 tpha - Fair Yield

Sabah - CPO Mill - 105 MT FFB/hr
Johor - CPO Mill - 100 MT FFB/hr
Mills OER - 22.4% - Fair OER

Tree Age
Immature : 13%
Mature : 21%
Aging : 66%

Notes :
No future growth due to lack of plantable reserve land
No land to plant means low capex hence high free cash flow
Low immature tress, future growth will be low
Once Sarawak plantation comes to maturity will lower the yield and OER

This post has been edited by gark: Oct 21 2015, 12:48 PM

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