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Boon3
post Jun 22 2015, 05:08 PM

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QUOTE(tehoice @ Jun 22 2015, 10:10 AM)
PE about 10x, div yield also about 9-10%?

am i right?
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average company selling at .... slightly below average price only.

*if* the main idea is to trade on the best stocks at the best prices... then this one falls short.

big *if* hor....
so many people have so many different ideas on what's good and what's not.... and also what constitutes a good trade/a smart trade/a fair trade/etc etc etc...

** the lower oil prices 'should' help for the time being but for how long would oil prices stay low?

** lower ringgit represents a boom for exporters which means business from exporting companies should be decent

** however, the lower ringgit, has a negative side.... costs of parts used by its logistics division should most likely be higher....

** plus.. with the utter powder puff power of the ringgit, most importers are cautious, they can't be gung ho as last year since the current forex difference would most likely cause imported products to be much costlier.....
the importers are most likely witnessing pullback in consumer spending due to the gst/etc.....

*** last year results were made to look higher due to disposal of property......

*** this year, the purchased a huge plot of land for warehousing uses... and this has caused a huge dent in their balance sheet....


all said.... I rate it an average stock....... icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Jun 22 2015, 07:21 PM

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QUOTE(tehoice @ Jun 22 2015, 06:34 PM)
ya, agreed with what you have written. but on the bolded.

few years later, do a re-valuation and beef up your balance sheet again. macam 1mdb?  tongue.gif
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post Jun 23 2015, 08:45 AM

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QUOTE(KVReninem @ Jun 22 2015, 02:56 PM)
SAM macam hot cake
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Missed your posting... tongue.gif


SAM announced its ex-dates for its dividends (improved + there's a special divy)

plus if you add in its good profits lately....

surely the cake had to be hot. laugh.gif laugh.gif
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post Jun 23 2015, 06:59 PM

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Talk own self again.... rclxm9.gif

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Never think like an investor when you are trading.....

oops.... I think the opposite holds true also...

ie never think like a trader when you are an investor....

this is for those who loves chasing falling stocks...

example?

AirAsia.

Well? AirAsia mah...

many are WRONGLY thought to buy/invest based on what they see... tongue.gif
for example...
they go airport...
they see...
so many fei kei...
all also say....
can fly...
all red color...
so many AirAsia...
business must be good....
how can it not be good?
when so many are flying AirAsia?

so when they see it fall...
they say...
bargain...
sifu from mountain...
says so one...

I saw GMT video.... have you?

https://vimeo.com/131236783

to check what the Mat Salleh talk about the related party profits....inflating profits....

I also sibuk myself mah...
don't pick lose...
see myself...

http://cdn1.i3investor.com/my/files/dfgs88...--591047246.pdf

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I think it's the profits stated under 'Share of results of associates - see notes 23' ..... 33.1 million....

"Thai AirAsia achieved an operating profit of THB1,195.0 million in 1Q15, compared to an
operating profit of THB346.6 million in 1Q14. Thai AirAsia achieved a net profit of
THB922.8 million in 1Q15, compared to a net profit of THB244.7 million in 1Q14.
AirAsia Berhad has equity accounted RM37.1 million in 1Q15, as reflected in the AirAsia
Berhad income statement"

what Mat saying....
AirAsia Thai losses...
went to losses heaven lor....

"The AirAsia Berhad share of the net loss in 1Q15 amounted to RM73.5 million. However,
as the Group’s interest in Indonesia AirAsia has been reduced to zero any profits will only
be recognized when a total of RM407.9 million of unrecognized losses have been reversed."

and same with Philipines.... went to losses heaven also... tongue.gif

"AirAsia Philippines recorded a net loss of RM25.7 million (quarter ended 31 March 2014:
net loss of RM24.6 million) in the quarter under review out of which RMNil million is
equity accounted in the AirAsia Berhad income statement. As the Group’s interest in
AirAsia Philippines has been reduced to zero, in accordance with MFRS128, any profits
will only be recognized when a total of RM112.8 million of unrecognized losses have been
reversed."

so these losses not accounted....
dunno go where...
so profits look higher than it should be.... tongue.gif

ps: clearly I am not an accountant.... so I only see laaa....
ps: I do not think accountant is a prerequisite to be a trader la..... or am I WRONG here? tongue.gif

ok... even if all the above is acceptable...
I see this...

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I can see so many issues....
like sales revenue is down...
most costs are up.... (compared to same quarter last year laa.... )

anyway.... no 11. shows a disposal gain.... 62 million.
and then... the big disposal gain of AirAsia Expedia... which contributed 320 million...

all these one of gains.... yes? sweat.gif

if AirAsia did not sell AirAsia Expedia...
would AirAsia even be making money for the quarter?

and remember how much losses it recorded the previous quarter?

THIS i think is the real problem....

clearly money... is a REAL issue...
it's not a joke when you have 1.6 billion cash but carry a loan of 13.1 BILLION...

and a commitment to take delivery of 81 billion worth of fei kei.


this is clearly not sustainable...


CLEARLY BILLION DOLLAR DEBTs is NOT a sports for Malaysia companies..................

yeah..... do see the GMT video.... see it over and over again...

ps: what is AirAsia NTAB?
Answer? 1.64

trick question:
with AirAsia main assets being fei kei's....
assets which are depreciating...
and with AirAsia 's debts exploding at dunno what rate.....
why on earth should AirAsia even trade higher than its NTAB?

yes? no? yes? no?

trick question:
what is AirAsia market capital at 1.64?
ie... in layman's term...if AirAsia sells all its shares at a price of 1.64, how much is AirAsia worth?
Answer: 4.564 billion!!!

now I ask myself...
given AirAsia's balance sheet issues....
it's profitability...
it's BILLION dollar currency hedges.....
should AirAsia be worth 4.564 billion?

ps: would you pay 4.564 billion ringgit to own a company which has 13.1 billion in debts?

something long isn't it?

ps: I wonder Mat GMT got see latest profit report from AirAsia or not?



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post Jun 23 2015, 11:48 PM

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QUOTE(spring onion @ Jun 23 2015, 11:33 PM)
haoyo boon... you start to grow old liao.... so ngam cham de nowadays biggrin.gif

btw, market looks too good to be true... it's about time where correction or a big tsunami will come
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Why?
Another billion dollar episode!!!

You happy meh to see meh?



PS: Even if I diam you think this problem would not explode?



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post Jun 24 2015, 08:55 AM

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Stock hitting 52 weeks highs....
when they hit.....
would you bet that the stock would gostan soon?

or would you think that the chances are the stock could hit several more highs?

hey... aren't there stocks that seem to be able to hit highs years and years?

no? yes? no? yes?


So how come.....
when a stock hit a 52 weeks low...
how come want to start bargain higher?

won't the same hold true as stocks hitting highs?
ie won't the chances be high that the stock could hit several more lows?


or are we suckered into the fallacy of the mountain sifu that what falls must equals to golden opportunity?

no? yes? no? yes?


yes... some fallen stocks are indeed an opportunity.... but many aren't.
know the difference.....


it's like a stock breaking out of a trading range....
when it breaks out higher.....
wouldn't the chances be more that the stock could continue higher?

so why doesn't the reverse hold true?
when a stock breaks lower....
wouldn't the chances be more that the stock could trade lower?

why rush chasing a falling stock?




lol...

one of the many mysteries in the stock market.....
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post Jun 24 2015, 10:46 AM

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QUOTE(Le Don @ Jun 24 2015, 09:46 AM)
I think many people follow the Warren Buffet's investing method and became greedy when everyone is fearfull
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Uncle Buffett teach many good many people....
But some people like to goreng Buffett teachings anyhow anyway.

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post Jun 24 2015, 05:19 PM

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QUOTE(KVReninem @ Jun 24 2015, 04:47 PM)
when news talk about knm. now blink like hot cake laugh.gif
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that is one stock you really want to avoid.... tongue.gif






trading is like a sport for me...
like horse racing....

LOL!


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post Jun 24 2015, 05:35 PM

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QUOTE(KVReninem @ Jun 24 2015, 04:21 PM)
some ppl tip the price to be 10 ohmy.gif
btw im just small fry, my post r valueless sweat.gif
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me also a french fry only laaaaaaaaaaaaaa........
here we forum maaa.....
everyone who wants to talk, just talk la...
where got see big fry, french fry, fire fly, house fly.... and what not la....
no need show tanki to make posting one.............. laugh.gif laugh.gif



Listen to TP is not only a waste of time but it is extremely risky.... tongue.gif
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post Jun 25 2015, 08:26 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Jun 24 2015, 08:55 AM)
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Stock hitting 52 weeks highs....
when they hit.....
would you bet that the stock would gostan soon?

or would you think that the chances are the stock could hit several more highs?

hey... aren't there stocks that seem to be able to hit highs years and years?

no? yes? no? yes?
So how come.....
when a stock hit a 52 weeks low...
how come want to start bargain higher?

won't the same hold true as stocks hitting highs?
ie won't the chances be high that the stock could hit several more lows?
or are we suckered into the fallacy of the mountain sifu that what falls must equals to golden opportunity?

no? yes? no? yes?
yes... some fallen stocks are indeed an opportunity.... but many aren't.
know the difference.....
it's like a stock breaking out of a trading range....
when it breaks out higher.....
wouldn't the chances be more that the stock could continue higher?

so why doesn't the reverse hold true?
when a stock breaks lower....
wouldn't the chances be more that the stock could trade lower?

why rush chasing a falling stock?
lol...

one of the many mysteries in the stock market.....
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Trick picture....

how many 52 weeks low can you see since 2011 for the stock below?

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ps: whatever terror geng theory you hear..... dig out the data.... and see....
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post Jun 25 2015, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(kueyteowlou @ Jun 25 2015, 10:07 AM)
Special purpose acquisition company (SPAC) Sona Petroleum Bhd said it is still confident of meeting its July 30, 2016 deadline to make a qualifying acquisition (QA), following its failed move to acquire Salamander Energy (Bualuang Holdings) Ltd.

Despite the July 2016 deadline, giving slightly more than a year for the SPAC to make its QA, Sona chairman Andre van Strijp while speaking to reporters after the company’s annual general meeting today, said the company still has enough time to properly evaluate its options.

Sona's managing director Datuk Seri Hadian Hashim said the company was still focusing on the Southeast Asian, Middle Eastern and African regions, aiming to acquire low risk small-to-medium exploration and production (E&P) assets.

He added that Sona is looking at onshore and shallow water projects, and is not looking at acquisitions outside the specified regions.
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Meaningless company....tongue.gif

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post Jun 25 2015, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(kueyteowlou @ Jun 25 2015, 11:16 AM)
maybe her brothers or sisters seem more useful ?
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Just my small time opinion only maaaa

All understand I.....
Company created....
Out of thin air....
Then share market give it money.....
So that this type of company can buy other company...
And after buying...
Only then the company has a REAL business.....

Lol....

This is lapsap and meaningless la....
My 3 sen....which is fast shrinking......

The many wonders of .....
financial engineering......



Hey my pussy cat is still alive....
It survived Ms.C.

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post Jun 26 2015, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(felixmask @ Jun 26 2015, 09:16 AM)
Yesterday PAVreit issue rm8B Bond. Potential injection asset.

I learn frm Gark anything yield above 6% for reits must buy.
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LOL!

gark's comments kena goreng. whistling.gif
ho ho ho ...... laugh.gif laugh.gif



with current market environment....
6% .... is not really enticing at all ........



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post Jun 26 2015, 04:04 PM

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QUOTE(felixmask @ Jun 26 2015, 03:59 PM)
he at ULUL plantation....cant see this msg.
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what MORE can you goreng him? tongue.gif
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post Jul 1 2015, 09:22 AM

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QUOTE(spring onion @ Jun 30 2015, 11:43 PM)
poh huat?

their management buy lands from their private subsidiary with a very high price wor. this will only make them rich, not us sad.gif whistling.gif

summoning boon
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Blooooody hell.....

midnight also kena cucuk already............ tongue.gif

why ask me?

how would you choose stocks in a sector?
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post Jul 2 2015, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(jerrychoo2004 @ Jul 2 2015, 10:23 AM)
wooot......homeriz inches closer to Boon target of RM 1.6 hehehe
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For no reason....kena cucuk .....again.


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post Jul 2 2015, 04:12 PM

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QUOTE(hexen7 @ Jul 2 2015, 12:00 PM)
Homer will probably rally again after the exercise tomorrow tongue.gif
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I need to consult with my uncle Chow first....................... tongue.gif
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post Jul 7 2015, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(hexen7 @ Jul 2 2015, 12:00 PM)
Homer will probably rally again after the exercise tomorrow tongue.gif
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hehe.... ass-u-me is not healthy...... tongue.gif
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post Jul 7 2015, 01:05 PM

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QUOTE(kevraul @ Jul 7 2015, 12:57 PM)
Boon3

what is your take on SLP? very impressive chart but their business?
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It is enjoying good profits cos of USD factor.

Hence...the impressive chart is not a surprise.


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post Jul 7 2015, 04:01 PM

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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jul 7 2015, 01:26 PM)
Bursa Malaysia Securities has queried HB Global over the recent unusual market activity (UMA) in the trading of its shares when it surged to the highest since March 2014.
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..... and ? ?

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