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post Apr 7 2016, 08:34 PM

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QUOTE(liquidgal @ Apr 7 2016, 07:01 PM)
X1s as mentioned is strong at DAC part. It would be a good DAC for your speaker (using line out). Pre-amp and headphone amp is more like a complimentary. It's not a dedicated preamp for speaker.

If your speaker is an active speaker, usually comes with build in preamp and power amp. So actually you don't really need another pre-amp actually. It may also cause distortion due to double amping.
Unless you can bypass the build in pre-amp or the original speaker doesn't come with it, only have power amp.
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ok,noted.no wonder a dedicate desktop dac/preamp is expensive..e.g;mytek,yulong,teac sweat.gif
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QUOTE(wim1983 @ Apr 7 2016, 08:02 PM)
That's the tricky thing, using headamp module to amplify DAC output and supply to speakers will not work, I've been tested this for long, so in the market there are very few DAC, preamp/headamp that designed correctly, I believe Fostex HP-A3 is designed for that, maybe Audinst HUD-MX2 too? hmm.gif
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if i were you will consider Fostex HP-A4/A4BL brows.gif
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post Apr 7 2016, 09:22 PM

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QUOTE(bad2928 @ Apr 7 2016, 10:03 PM)
if i were you will consider Fostex HP-A4/A4BL  brows.gif
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post Apr 7 2016, 11:03 PM

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QUOTE(wim1983 @ Apr 7 2016, 08:02 PM)
That's the tricky thing, using headamp module to amplify DAC output and supply to speakers will not work, I've been tested this for long, so in the market there are very few DAC, preamp/headamp that designed correctly, I believe Fostex HP-A3 is designed for that, maybe Audinst HUD-MX2 too? hmm.gif
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I think you misunderstand what i'm referring to.
You don't use headphone amp to supply to speaker. If you want to use it as a dac, you just have to choose DAC and use RCA line out at the back and connect to speaker amp or active speaker, which means bypassing the headphone amp.
Also a lot of the DAC comes with line out, especially desktop unit.

To make it simply, I will write down few combination for you to refer to:

Speaker system
DAC/ Sound card > analogue line out (3.5mm / RCA / jack / XLR) > Integrated Speaker Amp > Speaker out (banana plug or Y plug > Passive Speaker
DAC/ Sound card > analogue line out (3.5mm / RCA / jack / XLR) > Active Speaker (with build in integrated speaker amp)

The terminology might sound confusing. Usually we call it headphone amp but some also call it headphone preamp. Headphone preamp is different from speaker preamp.

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Check out the in /output.
Audio in meaning, bypassing the DAC and just use the headphone amp, where X1s receiving analogue signal from another DAC.
Audio out is the analogue line out that I'm referring to. Bypassing the headphone amp and just use it as a DAC.

Coaxial, optical and usb wise are for digital signal.

I hope this clarifies. smile.gif

**Correction: Aune X1 pro comes with preamp, but latest version X1S doesn't.

This post has been edited by liquidgal: Apr 8 2016, 12:05 PM
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post Apr 8 2016, 12:39 AM

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QUOTE(liquidgal @ Apr 8 2016, 12:03 AM)
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I think you misunderstand what i'm referring to.
You don't use headphone amp to supply to speaker. If you want to use it as a dac, you just have to choose DAC and use RCA line out at the back and connect to speaker amp or active speaker, which means bypassing the headphone amp.
Also a lot of the DAC comes with line out, especially desktop unit.
Fostex HP-A3 is exactly having same function as X1s except X1s has build in preamp for speaker. If you do not need this function, just choose pure line out and it works exactly the same as Fostex HP-A3 and Audinst HUD-MX2.

To make it simply, I will write down few combination for you to refer to:

Speaker system
DAC/ Sound card > analogue line out (3.5mm / RCA / jack / XLR) > Integrated Speaker Amp > Speaker out (banana plug or Y plug > Passive Speaker
DAC/ Sound card > analogue line out (3.5mm / RCA / jack / XLR) > Active Speaker (with build in integrated speaker amp)

The terminology might sound confusing. Usually we call it headphone amp but some also call it headphone preamp. Headphone preamp is different from speaker preamp.

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Check out the in /output.
Audio in meaning, bypassing the DAC and just use the headphone amp, where X1s receiving analogue signal from another DAC.
Audio out is the analogue line out that I'm referring to. Bypassing the headphone amp and just use it as a DAC.
But one more extra step which you have to choose at the front of the unit, whether to use speaker pre-amp or pure DAC

Coaxial, optical and usb wise are for digital signal.
** To add on, if you don't really need a volume control at X1s or any other DAC for your speaker, then actually don't have to bother using the speaker preamp function.
Some need it is because their speaker system doesn't come with it.

I hope this clarifies.  smile.gif
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lol, I understand what you mean, I've try use DAC line out straight to power amp, but then no volume knob to control volume, unless hook up to an integrated amp, but then I'm using power amp, also for headphone I'm using O2 combo. If I remember correctly Aune X1S does not have preamp volume control for the DAC right? That's the feature a lot people love to have, marry me that button!

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post Apr 8 2016, 11:59 AM

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QUOTE(wim1983 @ Apr 8 2016, 12:39 AM)
lol, I understand what you mean, I've try use DAC line out straight to power amp, but then no volume knob to control volume, unless hook up to an integrated amp, but then I'm using power amp, also for headphone I'm using O2 combo. If I remember correctly Aune X1S does not have preamp volume control for the DAC right? That's the feature a lot people love to have, marry me that button!
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Yes in your case, you need a DAC with preamp function as volume control.
I tend to misunderstand when you mentioned, "so in the market there are very few DAC, preamp/headamp that designed correctly"
Some may need a preamp and some may not.

Also my mistake, Aune X1S doesn't come with preamp function. The older version Aune X1 pro did come with preamp. I didn't notice they cancel it on the latest model.

Actually there are still a lot of options if you are looking for DAC with preamp such as Matrix new mini i, Mini i pro, Musical Paradise MP-D1 MK2, Audio-GD C2, NFB1 amp and so on.
If you just need something as volume control or separate preamp but not dedicated one, then get Bravo ocean will do.
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QUOTE(liquidgal @ Apr 8 2016, 11:59 AM)
Yes in your case, you need a DAC with preamp function as volume control.
I tend to misunderstand when you mentioned, "so in the market there are very few DAC, preamp/headamp that designed correctly"
Some may need a preamp and some may not.

Also my mistake, Aune X1S doesn't come with preamp function. The older version Aune X1 pro did come with preamp. I didn't notice they cancel it on the latest model.

Actually there are still a lot of options if you are looking for DAC with preamp such as Matrix new mini i, Mini i pro, Musical Paradise MP-D1 MK2, Audio-GD C2, NFB1 amp and so on.
If you just need something as volume control or separate preamp but not dedicated one, then get Bravo ocean will do.
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can you recommend budget dac/pre-amp?
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post Apr 8 2016, 07:06 PM

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QUOTE(bad2928 @ Apr 8 2016, 04:48 PM)
can you recommend budget dac/pre-amp?
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Below 1k, can try iFi Nano iDSD. You can control the volume of RCA output. Portable, supports DSD.
http://ifi-audio.com/portfolio-view/nano-idsd/

Below 2k, strongly recommend Musical Paraside MP-D1 mk2. It is tube DAC, can adjust the sound signature and quality by tube rolling.
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post Apr 9 2016, 03:51 PM

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QUOTE(liquidgal @ Apr 8 2016, 07:06 PM)
Below 1k, can try iFi Nano iDSD. You can control the volume of RCA output. Portable, supports DSD.
http://ifi-audio.com/portfolio-view/nano-idsd/

Below 2k, strongly recommend Musical Paraside MP-D1 mk2. It is tube DAC, can adjust the sound signature and quality by tube rolling.
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ok,thanks for your recommendation but i'm suddenly change my plan now because i brought marantz pm8005 no need dac/pre-amp just stand alone dac sweat.gif rclxm9.gif
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Anyone having any issue using the asus xonar essence stx with window 10, facing random high pitch noise when playing youtube ?

http://www.head-fi.org/t/494565/xonar-esse...nging-noise/120

I have this issue couple of times, it really can rape your ear if you not aware, especially for those use headphone at all time.

Altough i can downgrade the os, but i lazy to do it tongue.gif , I decide to replace this sound card to external one, looking an usb dac, budget around RM400-500. Any recommendation ?

My audio gear is :

Speaker :Edifier R2800
Headphone : Sony MDR-1R
Earphone : JVC HA-FXT90

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hi. i am looking for a amp/dac to pair with AKG K550. any recommendations?

budget is around 1k. interested in modi/magni stack but unsure of the sound. unable to audit due to my location is in sabah. my source will mostly play from laptop, the on board sound card not really gud. hissing all the time despite installing new drivers. i am a 'pseudo' audiophile ( means i do appreciate and love gud sq but can't stand bad sq ), but i try to keep the budget for this system low. trying to get the best out of my money.

i usually use this system to watch movies and listen to music. genre will be hip hop, jazz, bossa nova. depending on mood.

appreciate if u can help me with my dilemma.
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Can anyone recommend me a headhpone amp? DAC not required.

Source: Pc, Andriod.
Equipment: Beyerdynamic DT990
Requirement: Something budget friendly that can drive the DT990s for best performance per buck, prefer warmer sound with lots of soundstage.

Kindly advise please smile.gif
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post Apr 14 2016, 03:58 PM

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Source: PC, android phone
Equipment:ATH-M50X, ATH-PRO5MK2
Requirement:Getting more lively and punch sound
Budget: Around 300

Was considering getting Fiio Q1, any advise sifu?

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QUOTE(amxpayne67 @ Apr 14 2016, 03:58 PM)
Source: PC, android phone
Equipment:ATH-M50X, ATH-PRO5MK2
Requirement:Getting more lively and punch sound
Budget: Around 300

Was considering getting Fiio Q1, any advise sifu?
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get a decent dac amp like e12a or something similar
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QUOTE(ckmoy007 @ Apr 13 2016, 02:33 PM)
hi. i am looking for a amp/dac to pair with AKG K550. any recommendations?

budget is around 1k. interested in modi/magni stack but unsure of the sound. unable to audit due to my location is in sabah. my source will mostly play from laptop, the on board sound card not really gud. hissing all the time despite installing new drivers. i am a 'pseudo' audiophile ( means i do appreciate and love gud sq but can't stand bad sq ), but i try to keep the budget for this system low. trying to get the best out of my money.

i usually use this system to watch movies and listen to music. genre will be hip hop, jazz, bossa nova. depending on mood.

appreciate if u can help me with my dilemma.
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Schiit Magni and Modi are very nice, balance and slightly warm sound. Besides that, can also consider Aune X1s or T1SE (both support DSD already).
Here's some comparison:
http://www.headfonia.com/schitty-magni-and-modi/

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http://en.auneaudio.com/index.php?s=Home/A...ail/id/124.html

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http://en.auneaudio.com/index.php?s=Home/A...tail/id/97.html


QUOTE(Keefkok @ Apr 13 2016, 07:02 PM)
Can anyone recommend me a headhpone amp? DAC not required.

Source: Pc, Andriod.
Equipment: Beyerdynamic DT990
Requirement: Something budget friendly that can drive the DT990s for best performance per buck, prefer warmer sound with lots of soundstage.

Kindly advise please smile.gif
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Below thousand, try Shonyun 306a, Aune B1 or iFi Nano iCan. They can roll off the treble a bit and make the mids warmer and thicker.
Btw, DAC will also will affect the performance of warmness and soundstage. If just connect 990 with pc/phone onboard sound card, it will only amplify the bad signal also. If you don't have any DAC/DAP yet, I will suggest you to get an entry level DAC with build in amp first.

QUOTE(amxpayne67 @ Apr 14 2016, 03:58 PM)
Source: PC, android phone
Equipment:ATH-M50X, ATH-PRO5MK2
Requirement:Getting more lively and punch sound
Budget: Around 300

Was considering getting Fiio Q1, any advise sifu?
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Fiio E17k or iBasso D-zero mk2. Slightly over your budget and will provide more clarity and transparency. smile.gif
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QUOTE(liquidgal @ Apr 15 2016, 08:45 PM)
Schiit Magni and Modi are very nice, balance and slightly warm sound. Besides that, can also consider Aune X1s or T1SE (both support DSD already).
Here's some comparison:
http://www.headfonia.com/schitty-magni-and-modi/

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http://en.auneaudio.com/index.php?s=Home/A...ail/id/124.html

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http://en.auneaudio.com/index.php?s=Home/A...tail/id/97.html
Below thousand, try Shonyun 306a, Aune B1 or iFi Nano iCan. They can roll off the treble a bit and make the mids warmer and thicker.
Btw, DAC will also will affect the performance of warmness and soundstage. If just connect 990 with pc/phone onboard sound card, it will only amplify the bad signal also. If you don't have any DAC/DAP yet, I will suggest you to get an entry level DAC with build in amp first.
Fiio E17k or iBasso D-zero mk2. Slightly over your budget and will provide more clarity and transparency. smile.gif
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Hi,

Thank you for your reply!

Sorry I was inaccurate, I do have an existing entry level DAC, the FIIO E10K. So pairing these with the said amps would work well right?

How about Schhit Magni/Vali? Would either one of these go well with DT990? smile.gif

Also, do you know any sources where I could find nice songs to test soundstage?
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QUOTE(Keefkok @ Apr 16 2016, 12:02 AM)
Hi,

Thank you for your reply!

Sorry I was inaccurate, I do have an existing entry level DAC, the FIIO E10K. So pairing these with the said amps would work well right?

How about Schhit Magni/Vali? Would either one of these go well with DT990? smile.gif

Also, do you know any sources where I could find nice songs to test soundstage?
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My personal opinion, Magni and Modi sound great as a DAC+ Amp combo, but if you just want a stand alone amp, I will prefer the Aune B1. It's a Class A discrete amp with very warm sound.
My experience is based on Magni 1st gen, 2nd gen should have improvement. Btw, Schiit is always a safe and high c/p ratio choice. smile.gif

"nice songs to test soundstage"
Try some orchestra music. smile.gif


or this kind of instrument solo. Feel the width, depth and height of the sound stage by listening to the vibration of the cello and reverbration in the space.


This post has been edited by liquidgal: Apr 16 2016, 12:22 AM
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post Apr 17 2016, 11:10 PM

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Just got the Fostex HP-A3, it's such a nice product, best ever audio product I've bought! The headphone/line out switch, volume knob control, and complete silence of preamp really really greatest I've ever heard, and I'm shocking surprise it run via my phone OTG cable straight away with enough power to drive my Shure SRH1540, with balanced sound output. Recommend you guys to buy, one thing though is this unit does not have remote control
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Hi all, need some help from any audiophile guru.

I'm currently using the FIIO E10K with Beyer DT990s.

The line out goes to my speakers and headhphone out to my DT990s.

I'm planning to get the Schiit Magni/Vali and more interested in the Vali due to the fact that it is a hybrid tube amp and might provide a more warmer sound.

If I do get the Vali, I plan to connect it through the line out of my FIIO E10K via 3.5mm to RCA cable. My only concern is the ringing sound that occurs with tube amps when you turn them on for the first few minutes.

-Would the ringing sound affect my speakers as well?
-Should I just connect my speakers through the line out from my DAC as per usual instead of RCA from the Vali to avoid the ringing?

Kindly advise as I've heard it would be better to output the amp (Vali) through line out as opposed to headphone out. If it makes no difference, I might as well use the headphone out to the Vali and use the line out from my DAC to my speakers to avoid the ringing.

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Just purchased the AKG K7XX Massdrop edition. Red colored ones. Which amp should I go for? Any K7XX users here? Lest than RM1k preferably.

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