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weng-aircon
post Mar 19 2016, 11:22 PM

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QUOTE(X_F@cT0R @ Mar 19 2016, 01:37 AM)
sorry my mistake it's not 40x40 but 20x20
yeah it's included with dining area
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Well. In this case you can consider a 2.5hp wall mounted.
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post Mar 19 2016, 11:25 PM

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QUOTE(biatche @ Mar 19 2016, 10:58 PM)
when will R32 be coming to msia, anyone know? i see that mitsubishi r32's are in thailand already now
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R32 is already in the market now only Daikin is the first who brought them in. The model was Daikin Urusara 7 selling at 5000++ for 1hp but the cooling can adjust to 14000btu which means you're most likely installing a 1.5hp air con.
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post Mar 19 2016, 11:28 PM

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QUOTE(sepulse @ Mar 16 2016, 12:03 PM)
Only when its too hot. So its depends on the weather. Daikin eco king good?
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If the air con is use more than 5 hours per day + everyday go for the inverter.

If the air con is use less than 3 hours per day + x4 times a week then go for the non inverter.

Daikin eco king is still using the York spec. Blower a little noisy for room for dining is okay + the cooling is better.
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post Mar 19 2016, 11:35 PM

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QUOTE(X_F@cT0R @ Mar 19 2016, 02:14 PM)
yeah i prefer one air-cond
ceiling air-cond like this one?
user posted image

so they need to drill a big hole to install that air-cond on my ceiling?
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You don't have to install cassette unit in living hall because it's not necessary need it. Unless your house is on renovation. If you don't have plaster ceiling then you can forget about it. If you have plaster ceiling also please consider the installation works need to cut the ceiling for the unit and need run new piping and drainage pipe through the ceiling. Is gonna be a very messy installation work. Plus the price is more more expensive and maintenancefor overhauling also cost a lot.
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post Mar 19 2016, 11:37 PM

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QUOTE(biatche @ Mar 19 2016, 01:06 PM)
aircon sifus

i want the quietest aircon

my MSY-GE10VA started giving problems. i think im gonna just replace it.

i have a MSY-GJ10VA in another room. has been making tick-tcik noise, and no whisper quiet operation (compared to GE model)

considering

1. SHARP plasma inverter 1hp.
2. MHI SRK10YL

any comments?

google says SRK10YL got weird problems?

i will only operate on lowest fan speed. i dont need extreme cooling. and i dont like wind chill. yes im aware sharp can blow air to ceiling/
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The most quiet air con I tested is Panasonic. Any latest model will do. For room use.
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post Mar 19 2016, 11:39 PM

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QUOTE(Str33tBoY @ Mar 19 2016, 09:52 PM)
Comparing a daikin 1hp r410a vs a daikin 1.5hp r22 air-cond...

D r410a is quite noisy compare to d r22 unit,i am not sure izit because of d installation or horsepower difference,but seriously i am reali not quite happy with d r410a unit...

So i would say daikin r410a unit is reali not suitable to put in a bedroom...
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If you're using daikin rebrand unit from York then yes. I admit there's sound from the outdoor. But not so noisy. I more aware of the blower as the wind comes out from the vent is a little loud. But I don't blame them cause this spec is meant for strong air flow.
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post Mar 19 2016, 11:41 PM

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QUOTE(biatche @ Mar 19 2016, 11:31 PM)
i want silent aircons only, daikin doesnt cut it, anyone wanna vote most silent aircons?
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1. Panasonic
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post Mar 22 2016, 10:10 PM

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QUOTE(kensoO0 @ Mar 22 2016, 07:49 PM)
Regarding my old airconditioner (inverter):
Panasonic service came over and quoted me the price.  Obviously better to buy new with warranty.  They also said even at 16 degrees, the aircond pcb would automatically cut the compressor from running off when it reaches it. They said maybe it was the servicing people who damage it when reinstalling after using Karcher jet spray because it happened after.
So which aircond out there is recommended for reliable cold air?  I do not care for energy savings or gimmick features.
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From my experience. Air con which frozen at the coils are probably not enough refrigerant. Especially for inverter R410. Frozen coils only happenes to R22 which running non stop. But for inverter. I'm sure it's not the PCB faulty. I also not sure why they ask you to change the PCB but a faulty PCB will not get any cooling to your room. Since it frozen means the PCB got send signal to the compressor.

I bet with you. Now your air con frozen. I give you a week. It will start not frozen and no more cooling. And the indicator at the indoor unit will blink.
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post Mar 22 2016, 10:16 PM

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QUOTE(panda-man @ Mar 21 2016, 02:12 PM)
just swapped out the capacitor from the compressor unit. was wondering? can DIY this thing? seems quite plug and play hahah.

just did that this morning with my normal AC guy. new capacitor and service the compressor RM150. cheap? mahal? standard? hmm.gif
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You can diy if you won't mistakes the wiring. It's not hard to change if you could use a ladder to climb up and open the entire top cover. You'll see a round capacitor. Size like a vitagen.
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post Mar 22 2016, 10:18 PM

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QUOTE(ahmai2332 @ Mar 22 2016, 05:10 PM)
360-400 sf area. for 1.5HP enough to use?
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2hp is enough

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post Mar 22 2016, 10:24 PM

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QUOTE(kensoO0 @ Mar 22 2016, 07:49 PM)
Regarding my old airconditioner (inverter):
Panasonic service came over and quoted me the price.  Obviously better to buy new with warranty.  They also said even at 16 degrees, the aircond pcb would automatically cut the compressor from running off when it reaches it. They said maybe it was the servicing people who damage it when reinstalling after using Karcher jet spray because it happened after.
So which aircond out there is recommended for reliable cold air?  I do not care for energy savings or gimmick features.
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16 degree it will cut off????? Inverter compressors never never will have cut off in their dictionary. Inverter compressors never will stop. Only runs high load or low depending on the temperature. That's a joke to me if a panasonic tech guy tell me this issues. Please. Ask the previous guy to check the refrigerant. Please be beside him to look at the gauge if there's at least 140psi. Coils frozen only happenes when refrigerant running at 30psi. I think your air con guy take down and wash and install back there's a leakage.
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post Mar 23 2016, 09:08 PM

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QUOTE(sainod @ Mar 23 2016, 03:08 PM)
anyone can suggest wats average charges for me to nego on??
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Standard installation for R410

1hp, 1.5hp RM250 + 10ft piping + 10ft drain pipe
2hp, 2.5hp RM350 + 10ft piping + 10ft drain pipe

Wiring + switch with 15ft casing RM150

Refrigerant R410A top up RM150
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post Mar 23 2016, 09:10 PM

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QUOTE(ace888 @ Mar 23 2016, 03:18 PM)
Hi Sifus,
Do I need to change to a new piping for R410 non Inverter Aircon? I am currently using a non inverter R22.

Any advise is greatly appreciated

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Yes. You need to change to thicker mm piping to support the R410 refrigerant.
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post Mar 24 2016, 08:51 AM

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QUOTE(sainod @ Mar 23 2016, 09:11 PM)
Thanks mate
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This is the most standard price in market.

Maybe some cheaper.
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post Mar 24 2016, 09:19 AM

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QUOTE(ksgill80 @ Mar 23 2016, 10:19 PM)
Hi Sifu's

Was thinking of the option of multi split type since i kinda have a space issue and heat that is generated from having 2 compressors running at the same time.

Wanted to know is it truely a good option to work with? besides the fact that if there is an issue with the compressor then 2 rooms will have a problem instead of one, is there anything else to know about this type of aircon?

http://www.daikin.com/products/ac/lineup/split_multi_split/

http://www.fujitsu-general.com/sg/products/multi/index.html
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Brother. Multi split designed for tight area and save a lot space. But for own use if you have a choice I would not recommend you to install multi split.

Pros and cons.

1. Save space
2. 1 compressor down 2 unit FCU will not cold
3. Price skyhigh compare purchase 2 split unit
4. Besure how long is the piping for your FCU if not will have cooling capacity problem. Or else get a bigger hp to support 2 FCU etc 1.0 or 1.5hp. If you have a multi split 2hp you can't support 1.0hp and 1.5hp cause total is 2.5hp already exceed.

Is just like using Internet. If 1 computer download alot stuff and the other computer gaming will lag. If your Internet have 1000mbps of speed then should be no problem. Same apply as the outdoor. Your outdoor need enough cooling capacity to withstand the FCU. Is depends on how many hp you want for the room then get how many hp outdoor.


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post Mar 24 2016, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(gorengpisang9 @ Mar 24 2016, 01:33 PM)
this model daikin reliable and sejuk nowdays or  not?    can anybody here install for me?   
1 Year On-Site Warranty
2.0 hp (19,500Btu) - R22 refrigerant type
High Efficiency Hydrophilic Fin
New Lambda (λ) Heat Exchanger
Turbo Mode
Self-diagnosis System
Coil Anti-Freezing Control
Built in Starter
with timer
with remote control
5 year warranty on compresor
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I'm not sure if daikin rebrand this unit cause this model is previously own by York. It's colder when it's York. Btu also higher than others air con. But if you mention R22. I assume this is a old stock they trying to clear.
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post Mar 25 2016, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(panda-man @ Mar 25 2016, 01:32 PM)
just got my electricity bill. much higher than expected T_T

would a malfunctioning/dying capacitor have an effect on that? using more electricity?
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No. Faulty capacitor won't cause high amp aka makan current. When you notice your current getting higher because of air con is this few issues.

1. Compressor will goes high amp aka makan current when outdoor heat exchanger is dirty. When is dirty. Refrigerant in the heat exchanger can't fully produce enough liquid to the FCU. Which means when it can't produce enough liquid + vapor to the indoor then suction can't get enough vapor. Then compressor have to try hard to produce liquid (compressor will start makan current when trying hard to produce liquid)

2. Faulty fan motor at the outdoor. Check if the fan running slow. If not the heat exchanger can't fully release the vapor in the coil.


My English very bad. But try google look for refrigerant cycle and you know what I mean.
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post Mar 25 2016, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(panda-man @ Mar 25 2016, 01:58 PM)
english ok wor...

i think perhaps its the coils were dirty maybe? i also dunno. the fan seems ok.  am considering whether to change AC or not to an inverter model as its a small room. the current one is a Haier and already like 5+ years. but damn good. so cold. i sleep with it on 27-28 hahaha. if 16 sure mampus beku. so maybe its just overpowered or something  sweat.gif but the guy just cleaned the compressor unit so hopefully everything will reduce next month. will keep monitoring.
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If the air con is working fine I don't seem to have any idea of changing it. If the current air con gives you enough cooling and you're happy with it then should be fine. If you have budget then change. Haha.
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post Mar 25 2016, 10:47 PM

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QUOTE(-oc-gassa @ Mar 25 2016, 03:44 PM)
Guys.. which one more practical? exclude cost of installation

1 - Buy Non Inverter Aircond 1hp (lets say York brand) - RM 750 (Lazada price)
2 - Buy Inverter Aircond 1hp (mitsubishi or Pana) - RM 1,500 (Lazada price)
in a long run let say 3 years plus maintenance cost which can save moneh the most?

if item 1 can save RM 750 divide by 3 years(36 months) I can have extra RM 21 to pay my TNB bill
if item 2 fork our additional RM 750 (compare to non inverter model) so theoretically I should have lower TNB right? by how much ?
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long run wise hor... hahaha, sometimes i didnt want to say it but seems is a discussion i let you know what i see in these both inverter or non inverter


inverter

1. save electricity
2. parts etc pcb very expensive cost few hundred (500++) inverter have 2 pcb 1 is indoor and another one is outdoor
3. ozone friendly
4. high maintenance (charge 1 time R410 RM150 for standard price)

you save electricity bills to pay for maintenance so i guess is equal?



non inverter

1. doesnt save as much as inverter
2. parts etc like pcb cost 300++ (just only have 1 pcb
3. pollute our environment, not ozone friendly
4. low maintenance (charge 1 time R22 RM60 for standard price)

you save the maintenance to pay electric bills.


by the way im not trying to spoil the market. just as my thought. the more high tech the stuff it is the more complicated the stuff is. especially the
pcb, we dont know when it will spoil. theres no answer until today as myself is a technician.

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post Mar 25 2016, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(vostro @ Mar 25 2016, 04:46 PM)
Hi,

Usually for new aircond installation, the technician will pull the wiring from the nearest plug/socket right? (old place, no dedicated a/c plug point).

Is it safe taking the power from that socket?

Sorry if its a dumb question.. a little noob when it comes to wiring..
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the wiring to connect the socket is can, but not with those fuse plug. it gets burned out (only when happens compressor start to eat current)
you can use a plug without a fuse.

just my thoughts.

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