Hello everybody, is anyone out there working as IT ppl in non IT company? How is the feeling? Do ppl respect ur job? Can stand normal end user behavior? I am currently working as a system administrator. Getting bored with my job because my boss thought that every task given is easy. Ask me to complete a ldap linux samba service within a few days, groupware service in a few days....when i say it is not that easy he said nothing is hard because his bla bla bla working in IT field saying that all the job was easy job. I am a fresh grads but now getting bored in IT....is all IT job like that? Give ur feedback...thanks for sharing ur feeling....

I am working in a multimedia company with IT/Multimedia background. I have the same problem with u in which the boss like to give horrible deadline, anyway it is possible to achieve but need to work overtime/overnight.

Most of the time, I have delayed the project myself due to the fact that I can't get the job done within the given time period.

Last, I can't tell your feeling because my boss doesn't have any IT background, pure business sense homosapien. They keep talkin and criticize behind and you keep on workin in front.

This post has been edited by gs20: Oct 31 2006, 12:11 AM

But at least u got frens to ask in case there is any problem, for me....ONE LEG KICK...Wachaaaaaa....job scope from small pc or printer problem to huge IT system like web and mail servers in data centers....IDS, SNORT, VPN and so onnnnnn.......i am newbie and no one can ask....the only thing can help me is INTERNET....

That oso depend on your pay, if they pay you good, of coz you must perform. Well, if you talk about friend, yes I do have a colleague with me, without any IT background but multimedia background. Beside gettin lecture from boss, sometime have to listen to his big talk on design somemore


but i must say u have a very good exposure and great force to build you up!

This post has been edited by gs20: Oct 30 2006, 07:14 PM

Erm, my pay? Honestly tell u lar....Not high..RM1800 still in probation period.

I'm also under a 6 months probation and this is my 5th month. Seriosly, I get rm 1800 too. I think it's time to seek for other job because you have been a water fish for the company. Stay back if you want the exposure or resign.

Just to let u know, I got a new task from my supervisor an hour ago. The task look like this, now I have to get someone open up the cupboard by end of the day and deliver it to Penang by tomorrow for them to do video shooting. Why ask someone open up the cupboard you might ask, because the key is with the boss and they are now at Penang. Sound interesting isn't it?

This post has been edited by gs20: Oct 30 2006, 07:50 PM

me myself IT graduate, now working as admin in oil and gas company..
what to do..bonded with my scholarship.

Cool, another task coming in. I'm asked to interview fresh graduate from The One Academy tomorrow before leaving to Penang, as a company staff under probation.

haha.....very good. They treat u like god....do abit also they praise u like hell

Ok, I can describe this to you in detail but lets cut it short since I'm at work. Yes, what others wrote is true, the best words to describe it is ONE LEG KICK means you have to do everything.

For me, I worked in a freight, warehouse, shipping company. My jobscope include:
Hardware maintenance
Software training
Analyze business requirement for third party software developer
Remote installation and administration of other sites
Repair and picture transfer of digicam
Fix and learn and teach boss how to use PDA
Analyze where optimal place for CCTV camera installation
Fix printers, scanners, drives, cctv, servers, pc, digicam, fax machine, pabx keyphone system, etc.
Sometimes become driver to send boss to bank or even collect cheque from places like Bangi, Sri Kembangan, KL, etc while our HQ is located in Port Klang.

Yup, One Leg Kick... and you will feel that you losing respect for this kinda job. I been working as IT Exec for about 3 years in a local firm. Salary not high and the big boss din appreciate much for IT.

Exactly the same feeling here pal, being an IT techie for almost 2 years now. And I am getting bored and sick of this IT position and is considering other field. Being the IT guy in here lots of people respect you in the beginning, and they expect you to know EVERYTHING related in IT, and if you cant deliver what they want, back stabbing will occur. Instead of putting the request to you they straight away forward the request/complaints to your boss. And in the fresh Monday morning before you even finish your breakfast coffee you boss called and skrew you and you dont know anything until you read your boss forwarded email.

This kind of life style, skrew it, not for me, I am quitting.

My starting is also RM1800 and the probation period is one freaking year aka 12 months, guess this is the longest probation period in the industry. More importantly, when your pay increase in this kind of level your stress also increase geometrically.

This post has been edited by rexis: Oct 31 2006, 10:23 AM

Doing IT post in oil and gas for fresh grad can get how much salary ?

RM5500... This is from the luckiest guy in the world whom I met a couple months back.

RM5500 for fresh grad... that's very lucky....

I think that will be my salary in hmmm 10 years from now....

My company is in the construction industry, im one of the programmer... people expect you to know everything regarding computers... IT if vast, dude... i'm a programmer, it doesnt mean that Im also an expert in network and hardware...

they just like to assume...

You should get that kind of salary 3 years from now.

I heard IT ppl from oil and gas company like SHELL got 3 times increment per year. Maybe the reason why their salary hike so fast.

For me, I have been in IT for almost 2 years. Actually the IT job is quite boring, when u have learn and do the same things everyday.

Unless, the things that you been responsible is keep changing....u know...hardware and software keep updated with the new version...and u had to explore it with vendor and so on.

Without this, it's meaningless to stay in IT for so many years.



This post has been edited by Dexter: Oct 31 2006, 12:07 PM

1 got 1 fren working in non-IT company too. he's the first IT personnel hired there. the female boss from taiwan request him to do this do that with nonsense logic and deadline.

now he's almost gone crazy.

I know your feeling, many ppl like you, need months to do any thing(like project in college, even better if there are a team for a small task). Or simply say donno donno, not my business or busy busy. Simply work because of the salary, better nothing to do and ends everyday. Try join a software house and you will know several days can do alot of things, I have seen ppl format & setup a pc took days, and ppl who only need minites(unplug hdd, direct copy from another pc). It really depends on you how your work can be done, try improve your time management, alot of things can be done in short amount of time or multitasking. OMG u are bored and u are just graduate, why ? cause you only do things ppl expect from you, and you do with their minimum requirement, you do not have your minimum requirement, your boss gives you min 40, u submit 41. How about try to gives like 80 ? Do extra with no extra bonus, no extra salary but extra work time or working hours ? Yeah, this may sound stupid, but you will benefits from it, plz remember you are just guaduated, that doesnt means u have all the skill and knowledge, u just qualified, many ppl can replaced you, to company you are expenses, try make youself an asset.

Im programmer for 6 years, unable to find any IT job in non IT company, i think mainly is because they unable to pay my salary. I wanted to join some non-IT company is because I feel since I have the knowledge, and technology in my brain, I can do alot of thing, computerize the entire company, make it paperless etc. But a non IT company wont hired a ppl for that, cause many company in Malaysia do not understand IT, they tought non-IT company has nothing to do with IT. So I was planning to join the company, do things like you, but I spend extra time in learning the company structure/culture, and slowly try to upgrade the company and computerize everything(and systematic) and everybody's life easy.

Think this way, if, i means IF your company is losing money and needs to cut cost, reduce ppl, who u think will be sacrifice(haha yeah, sac !) 1st ? Those ppl who help them made profit ? ppl who help them save money ? or ppl who help them use money ? Maybe your department cant made money, at least help your company to save money, maintain customer, secure information, propose idea, etc. Dude, trust me, your life will be happier if you have a target in your heart, and wanted to achieve, compare to a target ppl gives you and expect mimimum from you.

thats so true narf03

is he in programming/it support/network?

Everyone seem like working in the local company or one leg kick in that company.
Mostly those boss know nothing in IT.
I have the same experience last time, so that I can understand.
The only solution is:
Jump to another company which will appriciate your work.
Do not suffocated by those boss.
Then only you will find the interest behind the IT related job

Erm, now i know actually there are so many ppl have same "nasib" like me...anyway, guess i will leave when i finish learn all the necessary skill....thanks guys

yes. learn, improve, then leave. that's my plan anyhow. 2 more years.

im in the same boat i think..
It is because only IT people know what they're doing.. This is the main point i believe..

It depends, you might end up as a contract staff rather then being a permanent staff if you read the other posts here whereby some people are only offered contractual positions at Shell.

wow..i just started my degree...and hearing stories from you guys...feels kinda depressing and wonder if i picked the right course or not...

I have the same idea when I still with that company.
After I jump, I only regret I should jump earlier.
Sometime those experience that you have learn from that kind of company can't really apply to reality.

Quoted for truth (in my experience).

He does all three but at his work, he is mainly support. He is good with programming also but networking, not so much I guess - nobody is perfect afterall.

Even if you are contractual, you can still be a permanent staff if you pass their assessment. My friend got in as permanent after his first try. But most that I know starts as contractual > permanent.

This post has been edited by Pennywise: Nov 1 2006, 10:49 AM

But the truth is, ALL companies need IT! Because there are so many dump/idiot people around who know next to nothing about the PC. The demand is there, the next thing to do is depends on what smart ways you can have to eat that piece of pie.

All companies need Accountants also what... A lot of people knows no shit about IT. Some people can even brag when they only know a little about MCSE and CCNA and all the other buyable professional certifications.

When it comes to working, it all boils down to how you handle situation and how you deal with people.

Quoted for truth.

I feel u all...

I see thing... They are all over the place... I see stupid users...

The doctor I went to said I was too much stress, depress, easily irritated. I need to be more relax and take things easy... The thing I saw was my imagination... They didn't believe me nor able to help me...

But finally I met this guy & he believe my story & solve my problem... That's only one cure for this... Beeeer... Hmmm....

But if you check most companies, the IT portion of the company is always the COST part of the company, it doesn't bring the company any amount of money but it tends to help streamline some of the other businesses around as well as save the company on cost. No matter what, it is still a cost thus not all companies are willing to spend big bucks on it only the bigger MNCs who do realise the potential of a powerful IT arm to help streamline business processes and reduce operational costs.

for non IT company, of course their IT dept is a non profit dept. their role just like a support for the company.

So, IT dept of non IT company is playing a similar role of the cleaning department or estate dept(handyman) as well. Support support support, and make the staff happier and works faster.

We are barely a bunch of high tech high paid(in HR prospective) slaves. Which is far from high paid.

Basically yes, IT dept or IT personnel on non-IT company are just supporting roles. How should I put this? Supporting roles are important too. Without you, they'd die as well.

Its like how you play an online game. Example: Ragnarok Online. Do you think a Knight can tank Osiris without his Priest friend? Impossible, right? Well, just look at it that way and you can see the pict.

same here also, i feel jz like a fool and sad in my company cz :

1. my basis RM 1350, my job function as technician, but beside IT technical support, i have to handle:
a. server administration and security system
b. mail server, user email transaction monitoring
c. give IT training for boss / end user
d. IT hardware and software asset audit
e. company website design and website visit counter monitoring
f. networking
g. 5 companies IT facilities monitoring (1 headquarter, 4 subsidiaries), but my salary paid by headquarter only.
h. security system, CCTV, door access, guard alarm
i. telephone system
j. call cost saving monitoring, bill statement checking
k. color printing, scanning.
l. maintenance job like wiring/cabling, repair photostat machine, repair air cond, repair telephone, repair printer, repair flouresent light
...... and many more, can say that my job function is BSBH.

2. some stupid end user
a. who always show off, act as know all of IT knowledge, so they no need IT people help.
b. who keep on challenging my skills and post since they assume they know very well in IT field.
c. when thing goes wrong, some stupid end user also denied that they never did anything wrong.

3. my stupid boss who doesn't understand IT:
a. assume IT as nothing but wasting resources and money.
b. doesn't approve my request to hire 1 more assistant since i'm the only one handle in IT DEPT and have to handle 5 companies IT facilities.
c. always ask repeated question althought i answered it before, somehow they also ask a lot of nonsence question and task.
d. always give insufficient time for any difficult task, they think IT people is easily handle.
e. when they need help or you help them settle their IT problem, they will praised you, once they no need any help, they see you jz like s***.

really feel upset...........

This post has been edited by hunterseek: Nov 2 2006, 10:18 AM

True. If they are so great, they dont need support in the first place. But they hired IT personnel anyway.

they will not value this way...oni when they need da things, they wil jump on you. they wont see da big picture...they rather waste 500k for a BMW than invest in a backup server rm30k as they cant see it in front of their eyes

Then wat r u waiting for ?
Go some where who really know how to appreciate you.

If you still wanna stay, there is a solution for you.

On leave for at least 1 - 2 weeks . During your day off don't receive any call or access email.

Just wanna show that how important you are, see who else going to support thier IT fac within this period.

That is very true....let them know....besides i think ur salary is too low, with ur capability i think u can get at least 2k outside, don be regret to leave

Trust me I know exactly how it feels. Thats why even after 4 months of resignation, my old company still call me up to ask about AD, Exchange, etc... 4 MONTHS!!!!!?!!?!

thx man, i will plan to leave but not now cz still seeking better opportunity, if can better get job other place than penang, cz there almost can say no any better IT job opportunity.
(actually i stay in butterworth at penang)


jz previous post said, only IT people understand each other