Good job for team Fnatic.MY ! 3rd place is good but can be improved.

Not sure why you emphasize so much on MMR. Roughly it can gauge the player's ability but imo i won't put it into consideration at all.

Also, I believe younger players should really focus on other stuff more rather than full time on dota(just my opinion)

For me it is more about the team chemistry, 5 Michael Jordan in one team wont necessary better than one team with average players but better teamwork.

Does sponsorship matter that much? As long as you form a team and get good result at local/online tourney, sponsorship should come automatically right. But in Malaysia, doubt you will find those big sponsor like IG etc.

Maybe I'm wrong since I'm from older generation (didn't update much so dont shoot me if I'm wrong on the sponsorship part)

And the main reason I replied is mostly due to the heavy emphasize on 6k MMR although you did explain on this.

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Well this is just my opinion. I'm just sharing things from my perspective, I'm not trying to prove that i'm right btw.

From my perspective, individual skill comes first before chemistry and teamwork. Still, both are important. Teams full of superstars without chemistry are equally as bad as teams with good chemistry but only consist of average players. You need to have both to be considered champion material.

A team with 5 Micheal Jordan are not necessarily good not because they lack chemistry or teamwork, but because all 5 of them have the same skill set. Just like in team sports, each role in Dota is unique. All 5 roles requires different skill set. Just look at past world cup winners, Spain in 2010 and Germany in 2014. Both teams are stacked with individual talents. A forward player can't play defensive position as good as a natural defender. You don't want Messi to be your goalkeeper. You might as well say a team with 5 arteezy or 5 puppey are not necessarily a champion material.

Teamwork and chemistry can be worked on, but getting full 6k roster in your team is very hard, near impossible if you're nobody like me. Some of the good teamplay you see in pro dota match are indirect result of individual skill. A team that consist of 5 random 6k players will most likely beat a team of 5ks players that scrim together everyday. NCAA team can never beat an NBA all star team, no matter how good their teamwork(i might be wrong though).

In the old days, getting noticed as a player were almost impossible. You need luck, good connection plus a bit of boot-licking to play in decent team. These days any average joe can get noticed, just spam solo mmr. Don't even bother forming or joining team before you're at least in upper 5k mmr bracket. Both Aui_2000 and Merlini said that top players in dota 1, i they were to play solo mmr today, at most they can only get to 4.5k mmr. That shows how much players have improved today. If your a 4.5k player, good news, you're as good as mushi back in 2010.

About sponsors;

Yes most players need it to be able to play full time. Some players can defer their studies for a year or two if they have financial support. How to play dota full time without money?, how can we afford food? Some have to work part time for money. Not everyone have rich parents, even millionaire parents will show their middle finger if their son said they want to play dota full time.

If you want to see how much a team can benefit from having sponsors, just look at k2apes. If you follow local scene closely, you will notice the rise of k2apes as top tier 2 team(go browse e-sukan). Their sponsors provide them food and team house. All 5 of them can play dota full time, how do i even compete with them when 3 of my players are not doing it full time?

Mod: Permisi untuk double post, if not TLDR.

Let me add one more thing, i think most low tiered players don't believe in solo mmr because from their perspective, individual skill in dota is about mechanics or they thought high mmr players are hero abuser. They're wrong! Your mmr is your game knowledge, it has little to do with mechanics or how fast your finger is. Its just that lower tiered player overestimate their understanding of the game.

In the last patch, i could get raped so hard in the laning phase but still proceed to carry my teammates because i knew what to do. I remember getting 6 cs in the first 6 minutes as Invoker, but still managed to get godlike streak later and almost carried my team. Just like this video below.



This post has been edited by Kaizer96: Jun 8 2015, 09:20 PM

5K MMR above is good for competitive I would say. But other than that, team chemistry is the most crucial thing to come with.

Yup, sure thing.

anyone else having problems connecting to the dota2 network? its been a few jumpy days for the server or is it isolated to my own connection?

I kinda agree that high mmr = highly skilled player with good mechanics and good knowledge in dota. However, from my limited understanding, pub games and pro dota are two very different game. They might have high skills in pubs but that does not automatically make them high skill in pro dota. They need a totally different mindset to play pro. We cannot simply deem people fit to go pro when they have xxx amount of mmr. Hence why people disagree with your emphasis on 6k players.

Yes, you might have the skill to be very good and the top pub player in the region, but that does not necessarily or automatically make you a good pro player.
However, it might be easier for you to turn pro compared to a pub player with lower skill/mechanics/knowledge. I guess this is your thinking at the moment, right?

Also, High individually skilled player might be good enough to carry 4 people in a pub game with pub meta against a disorganized 5 player in the enemy team( disorganized compared to pro games ), but that might be only limited to pub game.

There are simply too many aspects for a team to be successful other than strong individual skills. Things that I can list out of my mind: team chemistry, good IGL, good drafter.

Another important thing is the lack of good tournaments for up and coming team to participate in.
Look at team secret, the 5 of them chose not to be sponsored. They think that the organization gets too many benefit from the player compared to the benefits the player get from the organization ( organization provide basic salary but take a cut of the huge tournament prize )

Of course, this is just one example, it does not mean that every team should be or can survive like this. Circumstances are different for every single person. I like to drink apple juice doesn't mean that you have to like it too.

these few days SEA server connection is potato and tomato....

so you guys if got problem, RELOG YOUR STEAM WILL DO.

eh the compendium cache
got change hero skillz ma?

These discussions always end up going around in circles. I regret opening this can of worms.

http://dota2.gamepedia.com/113_-_The_Inter...ector%27s_Cache

wikipedia always is your friend

ck.chunkeat

Getting to 6k mmr means you're part of the top 0.1% players. That means you get to see what other 99.9% players don't. I fully understand that my opinion are going to be perceived as absurd to majority of the masses.

Most people don't see what it takes to achieve 6k mmr. Getting to 6k requires more than just skill. If its just about skill i won't mind recruiting low mmr players, because for me skill is not a constant variable. Players can improve or get worse over time. Aui_2000 once said that your mmr is a good indicator of your character. This sums up why im obsessed with 6k mmr. Ever wonder why some people have 3000-4000 hours logged into dota 2 but still bad at the game? You will not get to 6k mmr without patience, perseverance, good attitude, dedication, strong intrinsic motivation, good adaptability and self-confidence.


From my experience, game mode does not determine the meta or the quality of your teamwok. This is one of the most common misconception among lower level players. They assumed if they play in captains mode they will get better games compared to the pubs. This is where, according to my experience, they were wrong. The quality of your game are directly related to the total individual skill and attitude of each of your teammates, regardless of the game mode.

6k mmr team > 6k mmr pub > 5k mmr team > 5k mmr pub > 4k mmr team > 4k mmr pub

That's why me and some other players dont even bother playing AEL or FACEIT, because i can get much better quality practice in pubs.

My team scrim every night, whenever 5 of us are available. From my experience whenever we get outdrafted, we will still win against lesser teams. Ok maybe some of you don't believe me and my hard earned experience, but i'm sure you guys can trust EG.Fear. Fear said, it doesnt matter if you get outdrafted as long as your players are proficienct(80%-90%) at certain hero, you will have advantage over your opponent.

I bought most premium tickets from the store, and follow westerm scene religiously. One thing is obvious, in the first banning stage top teams don't ban strong heroes, they will respect ban their opponent. No matter how good your draft is, it's meaningless if your players are not proficient at that hero. Captains don't draft arbitrarily during tournaments, they prepare the strategy beforehand, prolly a week or two before tournament. To execute the strategy their players had to spam certain hero and master it on pubs. Look at Team Secret and their hero pool, basically they just play certain few heroes during that particular tournament.

I did the same during INTI NDC 3 or 4 weeks ago.

One week before tournament, after careful consideration, i decided to go for 3 strat based on my teammates solo ranked match history. Tiny/IO, DK/Gyro, and Drow/Visage in descending order of priority. Since my offlaner is only 5.2k mmr, he can't play most hero up to my standard. So i just told him to practice dark seer and clock, basically 2 hero for the entire tournament. For my mid player i told him to practice viper, sf, leshrac, and abandon DK since he can't play it yet. Since he didn't screw as much with viper, i put it as top priority pick.

Few days before tournament i decided to abandon Drow/Visage because my carry and support partner can't play it. They both claimed they can play it, just like every other players out there who claim they know their stuff, but in reality they don't. Throughout the entire tournament we played with only one strategy with almost similar hero lineup too, Tiny/IO/Dazzle/Viper/DS. Simply because it didn't get banned. In the end, we threw against who2bet in the semis. At one point we were 20k gold ahead with 2 rax advantage, but our Tiny decided to build refresher. Well, thing went south from there. Did we lost because of chemistry or teamwork? No, we lost because we were just bad. Truth is individual skill matters.

Open Bracket for NDC.

You cannot rely on theorycrafting and draft arbitrarily during tournament. Everything must work in practice, not just in your brain. I was really satisfied with our result during that tournament, because i did it with such limited resource. Thinking about what i can do with competent full 6k roster are already enough to make me wet.

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6k mmr SF mushi SF how much mmr ?

Nope, didn't have money at that time.

I think close to 7k if not 7k. Most pros who have low MMR actually didn't even bother farming points, not because they can't.

For those pros who practice in solo mmr, here is the list compiled by me 4 weeks ago.

you are not my friend i iz sad

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This post has been edited by Agito666: Jun 9 2015, 03:53 PM

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