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 [OFFICIAL]Rig Suggestion Q&A Thread V9!

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post May 19 2015, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(ahgan91 @ May 19 2015, 10:30 AM)
The liquid cooler for GPU average how much ar ? Haha...

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Similar to CPU there's two type, one is AIO while another is waterblock with custom loop.

AIO build should cost what an AIO will cost + the NZXT Kraken kraken G10 for make it copatible. But unlike CPU cooling which is easy, direct and spot on, on some situations, it is not recommended to use AIO cooling on GPU. AIO only can cool the cheap, not other components on the board. One such example is when the VRM is running extremely hot (such as the case of R9 290X last time), as unlike stock cooler, it don't have efficient heatsink connected to it to cool them down.

For custom loop, I can't commend much since I don't own one before, but I can promise to you, it won't be cheap.

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post May 19 2015, 01:58 PM

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QUOTE(alvinang @ May 19 2015, 12:31 PM)
Hi everyone! First time following this thread and got to learn a lot of stuff. I would like to build a rig ( I've been a laptop gamer my whole life ) that would last me quite a while. Since I'm still new to getting to know about desktop parts, pls forgive me for asking too many questions.

[Budget] - 16-20k

[Purpose] Gaming ( Long term ) with occassional photoshop + render

[Hardwares that will be re-use]

[Monitor resolution] 4k Ultra, prefer 2 monitor ( 1 big, 1 small )

[Games & softwares that use frequently] Steam games - Dota 2, Project CARS, Crysis   Software - PS, 3Dmax, words

[Personal preferences]
Monitor - Looking at Dell U3415W Curve monitor along with a smaller side monitor ( 24")

GPU - I'm pondering between Titan X ( single or SLI ) and also GTX980. As mentioned in this thread, games later on might require more VRAM, what is a better option for a long term such as 5-7 years from now.

Processor - Prefer i7

MOBO - For such a build, what is a recommended MOBO?

Soundcard - Would like to add one.

RAM - 16GB

Addling CPU and GPU coolers.

Will be going for a a full tower build.

[Location] Penang. But don't mind travelling for the purchase.

For a rig like this what are the main concerns I should be more aware of? Will it eat up a lot of power?

Thank you for any replies in advance =)
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Oh, see the budget and my commend "it gonna be fun"... whistling.gif

Well, I can advice you this thread is not really for people with such budget, directly contact those high end custom build sellers like drivenheat, APES, Idealtech and so on, you can't go wrong with anything at the budget... sweat.gif

But before that, just incase they suggest you random stuffs, tell them that you want a Haswell-E (Enthusiast), DDR4 and Intel X99 mobo rig, they will do the rest for you.

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post May 19 2015, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(alvinang @ May 19 2015, 02:00 PM)
Okay biggrin.gif will contact them for arrangements. Thank you.
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But before that, just incase they suggest you random stuffs, tell them that you want a Haswell-E (Enthusiast), DDR4 RAM and Intel X99 mobo rig, they will do the rest for you.

Also, some extra words of advice. You can pretty much build a really high end and powerful RIG with the budget but that doesn't mean it will stay as powerful in 5 or more years to go. Upgrading and optimizing parts from time to time according to your needs will usually pay off better than getting an end game specs monster PC now and hope it last for 5 to 10 years.

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post May 19 2015, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(kappaweng @ May 19 2015, 02:27 PM)
Hello, thanks again, and sorry I have some questions again.
-How big is the differences if I go for the CM Hyper TX3 Evo (RM98) instead of the Seasonic M12II Evo 520W 80+ Bronze Fully Modular (RM299)?
-Personally I dont really care about the size as long as it's Full HD, is it BenQ 21.5" GW2255HM good enough for the performance?
-Do Jayacom(or any store) sell all the listed items and provide assembling service?
-From my budget, do you think SSD is necessary?

I'm an outsider, never really build a rig before, forgive me if the question is dumb
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1st, you have some misconception here. The CM TX3 is a CPU cooler (optional), while the Seasonic is the power supply (essential). You can't compare them. The TX3 is optional because when you buy the CPU, it come with a stock heatsink which is not spectacular in performance but non the less, no problem get works done most of the time.The Seasonic PSU which cost RM300 is among the most recommended for the specs quoted. Yes, technically you can run it on a random cap palang PSU which cost under RM100, but it can be risky, fail prematurely and damaging your parts in some cases.

2nd, as for the monitor, yup it is FHD. As for performance, I think it is hard to describe something visual on paper. It's best you go to the store and experience yourself. I personally is one picky man especially when come to visual things which I need to deal with everyday, that's why I pay extra for my monitor (U2414H just incase you want to know).

The quotation is obtained through multiple stores IINM, if you want to get it done in one store, you gonna nego with them to cut down some costs to fit in the bill. Generally, a shop can assemble for you if you purchase most parts (especially mobo, PSU, case and CPU) from them. Try buy other parts first and bring in and request them to assemble.

What is the quote already? (sorry that aren't exactly my quote, I can't recall details clearly). But I will repeat what I said, the quote is pretty much the best performing one you can get within a 4k budget without cheaping out on parts.

Edited: The build can't manage to fit in a SSD with the budget. Our priority here is performance first, luxury later. You can always add in one in future. If you seriously still prefer to fit in a SSD, you can forgo the Xeon and opt for an i5 4460, that shall save you some bucks just enough to fit in a cheap SSD.

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post May 20 2015, 01:13 PM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ May 19 2015, 11:55 PM)
Does it require all items to be in a single receipt? If yes, then I have to tune the build a bit, if not necessary, you can get a cheaper case like Aerocool V3X RM105 so the total will become < 3.5k, downgrading PSU is not recommended.

And all the GTX970 reference models sold on Malaysia do not come with Titan design cooler, all are cheap plastic cover with the blower cooler only, if you really want to buy Titan style blower of GTX970, you might require extra efforts such as ordering from overseas but that would jack up the budget.
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Contact those in garage sale with internal connection with Dell, they can land their hand on it, but it not going to be cheap, might as well get MSI tiger or other non-reference which is cheaper.
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post May 20 2015, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(terence_nwb @ May 20 2015, 12:57 AM)
Intel Xeon E3 1231 V3 - RM 959
Asrock B85M-ITX - RM 329
Kingston 8GB DDR3 1600MHz Value RAM - RM 219
Leadtek GTX970 4GB GDDR5 Hurricane - RM 1429
WD Blue 1TB HDD - RM 199
Seasonic M12II EVO 520W PSU - RM 299
CM Elite 110 - RM 149

Total: RM 3583 (Viewnet price inclusive of GST)

If choose a longer case like CM Elite 120/130 at about the same price of CM Elite 110, then you can get the reference model of GTX970 at lower price so the total will be < 3.5k.
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It is viewnet, you can nego with them if you are paying by cash.
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post May 20 2015, 05:07 PM

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QUOTE(AxeFire @ May 20 2015, 01:36 PM)
which GTX 980 do most of you recommend? some range from 2.0k up to 2.8k
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Cheapest should do.

But mind you 980ti is around the corner, it come out and say bye bye to the resale value of it.
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post May 20 2015, 10:23 PM

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QUOTE(ikhwan1 @ May 20 2015, 09:50 PM)
About the msi tiger 970, why is it cheaper than the other msi 970. Is it just bc it has downgrade cooler?

Edit: and what do you think about the 4gb 960?
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If you see Zotac/EVGA, they have even more models of a same card (970 in this case).
https://www.evga.com/Products/ProductList.a...chipset=GTX+970
http://www.zotac.com/products/graphics-car...ct/gtx-970.html

Most of the time they just tweak the clockrate/cooler. Only for some special high end models they may tweak with the voltage, VRM and so on to make it more overclockable. As long as it is still a GTX970, it not going to bother you much as a typical consumer.

Honestly speaking, GTX960 is somehow a "weak" card. Previously, Nvidia's new card is better/on par than the "a tier higher" old card. For example, GTX770 about GTX680, GTX760 about GTX670. But Nvidia decide to make the GTX960 "just a better maxwell GTX760", which is still some gaps to GTX770. Also, for it's performance and bus width, there aren't going to be much occasion of you to utilize its 4GB RAM. You are better off stick with 3.5+0.5GB GTX970, which offer reasonably more power.
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QUOTE(LovelyPotato @ May 20 2015, 10:23 PM)
Thanks for the recommendation! I've searched back some of the post from this thread and found that Asrock H81M-VG4 is cheaper (trying to save some budget if difference is negligible). Is there any important performance difference between H81M-VG4 and B85M-HDS? I've googled and found that B85M-HDS had a 1 x PCIe 3.0 x16 port that H81M-VG4 doesnt (excluding the number of USB 3.0 ports). Is the PCI-E port important for future proof?
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You run your GPU on PCIE slot.

PCIE V3.0 is definitely more recommended in long run.
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QUOTE(LovelyPotato @ May 20 2015, 10:29 PM)
Alright, sounds better for future upgrade. Will be getting this one I guess. Thanks!
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If "futureproof" is among your bigger concern, I will suggest H97 over the two above.

One simple reason is the extra RAM slots. Another is H97 can support Broadwell CPU while the two above can't.
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QUOTE(lonelystarz @ May 20 2015, 10:30 PM)
Were looking for a motherboard for the I7 4790k, then I stumble upon this few motherboard priced around RM400 with the connector I want which have 4 or more 4-pin fan connector and a display port that priced around RM400

MSI H97 GAMING 3
GIGABYTE GA-H97-GAMING 3
GIGABYTE GA-H97M-GAMING 3
ASUS VANGUARD B85

which is the best among all?

and I also found MSI Z87 MPOWER SP price was RM479 on Viewnet Pricelist but when I search on Lowyat forum garage sales section the price is around RM300 more.
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Never pair "k" CPU with non-Z series mobo, it is a waste...

But still, not all Z-series boards are created equal. I recommend at minimum budget of RM600 if you want at least a decent one.

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QUOTE(lonelystarz @ May 20 2015, 10:36 PM)
How does it differs from Z series mobo and non Z Series mobo if i am using k series processor?
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Z-series mobo allow overclocking on k series processor, generally have more robust VRM and some more misc features.

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QUOTE(lonelystarz @ May 20 2015, 10:41 PM)
oh..then i'd better go with the non k series..but which motherboard is better in terms of quality and reliability? and what is the actual price of MSI Z87 MPOWER SP?

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Viewnet price at RM479
http://www.lowyat.net/pc-hardware-pricelist-viewnet/

As for reliability, it is very random and more to your luck.

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QUOTE(lonelystarz @ May 20 2015, 10:48 PM)
but all the forum-er  priced their z87 Mpower SP at around Rm700..viewnet price mistake?
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Possible, Jayacom price also over RM700.
http://www.lowyat.net/pc-hardware-pricelist-jayacom/
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QUOTE(ikhwan1 @ May 21 2015, 11:09 AM)
Thanks for the infomation. Even if i only do light gaming and most of the time doing autocad. I still should go for 970? Or i should increase the ram, processor or bigger SSD maybe?
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Light or hardcore gaming don't affect the decision of GPU you choose. It is about how detailed graphic settings and resolution you plan to run on and your budget you willing to pay for a GPU.

But since your rig's main purpose is workstation for autocad, I do feel that it is better to have minimum 16GB of RAM. CAD works and so on can be real memory guzzler sometimes.

Since adding in extra 8GB RAM will make it breach your budget, I do suggest you to forgo the 970 and opt for GTX960, the cheapest one you can find will do (2 or 4GB don't matter, I won't get 4GB if it cost 10% more than cheapest 2GB model I can find) . You might have a little spare change for a SSD as you wished.

As for CPU, it is as fine as it is now. Further upgrading it require RM200+ and the gain is marginal...

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QUOTE(Gouki @ May 21 2015, 11:19 AM)
what aftermarket cpu cooler are the best in price to performance ratio?
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Before this, it is Cooler Master's 212 evo/+ (I can't recall which one it is),

But now after GST, its price is pretty high...
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QUOTE(LovelyPotato @ May 21 2015, 06:16 PM)
Oh Hi all again! By the way my casing front usb slot and speaker slot seemed to have some problem, is there something to add on the dvd drive compartment for USB port? If it does, what does it called and roughly how much will it be?

For reference to explain my needs:
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I need USB 2.0/3.0 and speaker/mic slot only
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http://s.taobao.com/search?q=%E5%89%8D%E7%...0150521&ie=utf8
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QUOTE(LovelyPotato @ May 21 2015, 08:57 PM)
do you think it is available in any shop from lowyat plaza? coz i plan to buy it along when upgrading
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I will say Sri Computer is the best bet, if they don't have then probably others also don't.

Cause those type of thing is china OEMed, and Sri Computer import really lots of misc PC accessorizes from China.

p/s: May be give Viewnet a walk too, cause they do carry some Silverstone's stuffs, and Silverstone do have one available (but mind you that they are not going to be as cheap as China made).
http://www.silverstonetek.com/product_acce...p?tno=6&area=en

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QUOTE(icp @ May 21 2015, 09:05 PM)
get in touch with >>niclasteoh<< maybe he has some
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+1

I came across the range of products his carry, many misc accessorizes from China which other shops don't bother to carry. A good option for those despo for local solution.
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QUOTE(ChocChristy @ May 22 2015, 08:18 AM)
I am curious, does a cheap cooler help with keeping the rig cool at all? Looking at Deepcool MAXXA S4
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You don't keep your rig cool with CPU cooler, you use fans and cable management for it.

But if you mean to say CPU, almost any 3rd party cooler will be better than Intel stock heatsink (provided it is those normal tower sized heatsink, not those low profile one).

And for Deepcool, it is a Chinabrand, so its pricing is pretty affordable. They offer respectable performance for their price too. But before making your purchase, do your research on the particular model you looking for first.

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