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post Jan 23 2018, 10:04 AM

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QUOTE(luvox @ Jan 23 2018, 09:39 AM)
New house Light circuit 10A, own RCCB. Aircon 16A own circuit with own rccb. If light circuit use aircon circuit neutral wire, will cause trip at RCCB coz it detect as current leak. RCCB is safety features trip when there is leak of current that dont return to its own circuit neutral line
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Nowadays new house come with RCBO already? my house only have one 63A RCCB after the main switch.
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post Jan 25 2018, 04:09 PM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Jan 25 2018, 12:11 PM)
zigbee, z-wave, and WiFi are all share same same frequency 2.4GHz (mostly). They interfere among themselves but since they use spread spectrum technology, they still able to mitigate and find the right channel to talk to their device.
z-wave frequencies are regional, different country has it own frequency allocation, its frequency range from 865Mhz until 926Mhz, it won't interfere wifi or zigbee frequencies which use 2.4Ghz, but it might interfere GSM 900Mhz if you are not using Malaysia z-wave frequency 919.80 MHz & 921.40 MHz
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post Jan 26 2018, 04:23 PM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Jan 26 2018, 03:52 PM)
Quick question. What is the difference between model with and without Neutral? One with N is using WiFi and one with no N is using zigbee?
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So many people confused with this aqara switch, simply put, AFAIK, it only has three versions

Aqara wireless switch -> actually it should call Aqara wireless button, it is just a remote control using zigbee wireless to control aqara zigbee switches, this switch doesn't have live/neutral wire connector.

Aqara zigbee switch (requires live and neutral wires)-> it has 1, 2 gang version

Aqara zigbee switch (requires live wires only)-> it also has 1, 2 gang version

Is there a WIFI version of aqara wireless switch? I don't think so...
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post Jan 26 2018, 04:44 PM

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QUOTE(sairay @ Jan 26 2018, 04:35 PM)
Kiding, where can I find info on this? China website cannot find.

"Aqara zigbee switch (requires live wires only)-> it also has 1, 2 gang version"
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If you know how to read Chinese, below is the link

https://detail.tmall.com/item.htm?spm=a230r...e27b&abbucket=4
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post Jan 26 2018, 08:30 PM

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QUOTE(sairay @ Jan 26 2018, 04:54 PM)
Thanks. Looks informative especially the wiring diagram and with picture etc. Good to know it has V-O grade and CQC too.

You got this working without the neutral line, am I right? with direct retrofit into our home rocker switch?
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No, I use Aqara zigbee switch with neutral line, I don't know how the AC/DC conversion circuit in the smart switch without neutral line to complete the circuit, but I heard this kind of smart switch without neutral wire is not reliable, and I had a non working broadlink TC2 switch which doesn't require neutral wire only last less than a year.
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post Feb 4 2018, 01:27 PM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Feb 4 2018, 11:53 AM)
There are only 16 channel for zigbee. Unlike Bluetooth, it uses direct sequence. How does it select the right channel to use?
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Change the wifi channels instead, below is the article for how to avoid wifi and zigbee interference

https://support.metageek.com/hc/en-us/artic...iFi-Coexistence
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post Feb 4 2018, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(Zot @ Feb 4 2018, 09:45 PM)
You have 1, 6 and 11 non-overlapping WiFi on 802.11b, but now many people set their WiFi on 11n and even use MIMO WAN setup. There is not much you can do. What about zigbee to another zigbee interference? You have multiple devices. Does all zigbee decived that is controlled by a single hub can share same channel?
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There is a lot you can do in selecting wifi channels, you can choose to use 5Ghz band, or use wifi analyzer app to check the wifi signal strength distribution, and choose the less use wifi channels, I always use this technique to avoid wifi interference, I have more than 10 x wifi devices and 5 x zigbee devices in my house, so far my zigbee devices and wifi devices are working perfectly, I don't have lost connection issue at all.

Below is the best practices recommended by smartthings

https://blog.smartthings.com/iot101/a-guide...ange-repeaters/

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post Mar 23 2018, 10:34 AM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Mar 23 2018, 10:10 AM)
Walau, do you need till 3 deadbolt ?

As a thief, I won't tackle the lock. Just crowbar the door.
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This lock is supposed to install onto expensive security door lah smile.gif cost almost RM1K per lock

QUOTE(Zot @ Mar 23 2018, 10:17 AM)
Yes. Many people emphasize on door... Dead bolt, Live bolt, Uncuttable padlock, etc. It is actually very easy to hollow steel grill with bolt cutter.  smile.gif  Roof is another easy entrance for those in landed property.

My front door doesn't even have grill  wink.gif
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All these security measures are not designed for total theft proof, it is just making theft to think it will take time to break in and it can expose them to get caught!

If I were a thief, I will definitely pick house without grill, it is easy to access, if house has grill, it may take 5 minutes to break in, without grill, probably less than 2 minutes, this encourages thief to pick the easier one.


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post Mar 29 2018, 06:24 PM

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QUOTE(idoblu @ Mar 29 2018, 01:38 PM)
Easy to set. I already set it. Just need to physically be there to trigger it only
I set the motion sensor to tell the smart plug to turn on. Also send a notification to my phone. I can also get it to turn on all my lights etc

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Can xiaomi do the following?

If (first motion sensor detect motion && second motion sensor detect motion after > X seconds)

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Trigger alarm

This will greatly reduce the false alarm.
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post Mar 30 2018, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Mar 30 2018, 10:28 AM)
Boss, I have hard time to understand the " using automation ". 

When disarm, this group of sensor should be OFF from sense anything to trigger right ? So even a door open/close many time, will not trigger anything.

When you arm the alarm, all the sensor fall in this group will ON and arm.

That is normal procedure for an alarm.

Is this "Automation" something a bypass some sensor ?
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I think Xiaomi doesn't have this feature, smartthings apps has this feature

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post Mar 30 2018, 11:38 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Mar 30 2018, 10:16 PM)
What apps product is it ?

Look like have the dedicate Alarm system.
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smartthings, it built in alarm system, automatically change to arm or stay based on the presence location.
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post Apr 8 2018, 12:18 AM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Apr 7 2018, 03:21 PM)
I have good suggestion for google/alexa.

They should develop a mix language BM/English/mandarin/canto for asia market. That should solve most of the language problem.

Mix language to activate solve all the asian people trouble of selecting particular language, to remember the word and difficult in the angmoh slang.

Specially for older people using.

Good or not.  thumbup.gif
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How many Asia country speak BM/English/Mandarin/canton rojak language? I only can think of three smile.gif and only has 35 million population .... google won't give priority to that at all
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post Apr 10 2018, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Apr 10 2018, 09:50 AM)
I think the angmoh thinking the language algorithm is same as western.

So they very straight forward apply to the other language.

That proven to be difficult to use the device.

Most of the asia language is still very much less the word specially in technical and technology term. Given mostly all this device is invent in west and they have the name on it with is their language.

So when we asean want to use it, there is dozen rojak pronunciation come out. That the device is headache to prosecute the demand.  rclxub.gif

There ain't just 35m people. Only indonesia is already over 100m.

My idea for google/alexa is good. That solve many country need to convert the word and just use rojak language.  biggrin.gif

Hei google, got job for me ?  tongue.gif
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Off topic, I went to Jakarta for work few times, they don't speak rojak language, they speak more formal Bahasa Indonesia, borrowed words from English is not considered rojak, otherwise, Japanese and Korean are the two biggest rojak languages.


QUOTE(ozak @ Apr 10 2018, 10:14 AM)
Not yet. Decide just replace the battery and continue search for a better wan.

Last week go pasar road buy the battery, there is few shop selling some china alarm package. The brand is Guanghua something like that.

Look not bad and got phone notification. Price from RM900-2.5k. Depend the sensor I guess.
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Paradox alarm package from Canada is also around RM1K ~ 2K, it also has phone notification, web remote management, actually nowadays, we can build the alarm system just use the Arduino/Rasberry Pi and have more advanced features
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post Apr 14 2018, 05:39 PM

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QUOTE(henryj8 @ Apr 14 2018, 11:14 AM)
Maybe you have less family member at home. Sometime Automation will be more troublesome, other than the HA, I still cant find a Smart Home can use your phone location setting/ or Router connection setting to trace if the family member at home and to trigger if to run the automation setting. Probably you can argue, can use motion sensor to trace the movement, but this already the second condition already .. for example,

IF <ANYONE> Home then <NOT> to run the motion sensor to CLOSE the <THINGS> @ <TIME FRAME>
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Smarttings has mobile phone presence, Asus wifi login presence, once any family members reach home, it can automatically turn on autogate, open smart lock, turn on lights if too dark, switch on aircond, play music, etc ....

If no one at home, automatically change smart alarm to away, turn on motion sensor alerts, start ip camera recording, turn off all lights, etc.

I hardly use my phone to turn on/off things, occasionally if I want to turn on specific lights, I will use Alexa, everything is almost automated.
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QUOTE(WIS9000 @ Apr 15 2018, 01:05 AM)
are u using geofence to trigger your autogate? how do u know when to open to gate automatically?
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Yes, I'm using geofence
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post Apr 16 2018, 12:52 AM

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QUOTE(WIS9000 @ Apr 15 2018, 02:23 PM)
Mind sharing which app if you are on Android?
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smartthings app, but you need to have smartthings hub in order to achieve it.
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post Apr 16 2018, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(ozak @ Apr 16 2018, 09:25 AM)
Car battery doesn't last long. And not suitable for such backup using.

Actually not worth to do.

1st the cost of energy to constant keep the battery charging all the time. 2nd, for whole house? That can cost you arm and leg. 3rd maintenance and duration of backup when blackout.

Unless your house have history of frequent blackout and long duration like whole day. Just 1 or 2 blackout peryrs and short duration is not worth to do.

I already have a bank of battery running with solar for few yrs. Due to the smaller size of battery and increasing the consumption, I choose to upgrade the system. Since I still have about 800wp of solar in storeroom, plan to setup this yrs. Using the free energy to charge the battery will save me some bill from TNB. (it just the myth. biggrin.gif )

After calculate some cost and comparison type of battery, I choose to DIY the lithium battery. Instead using lead acid. It is cheaper cost, produce more energy and lighter bank. But require more knowledge and patient to DIY. Compare just buy the lead acid battery and dump into the system.
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Last time I planned to build something like tesla powerwall by using 18650 Li-Ion batteries, but later find out it is quite dangerous because of the overheat and explosion which could burn your house, so I decided not to do it.

since you want to DIY the Lithium battery, can share the project detail? I'm interested how do you do it.

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QUOTE(ozak @ Apr 17 2018, 11:35 AM)
Yup. My automation no need wifi or smartphone wan. It run "true" automation without human intervene.  tongue.gif

Get it here https://www.oznium.com/led-controllers/fade-in-fade-out.
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so do you use the PIR/microwave/Ultrasonic sensor to trigger the lights on/off?
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QUOTE(ozak @ Apr 17 2018, 06:57 PM)
You mean the AV or others ?

If others area like back yard or front post, yes. I got 2 solar spot light that use pir/motion to activate. It have to be run in this way as the battery cannot last for long percharge.

For other running on 240v, all manual switch ON.
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Cheh.... now I understand the "true" automation without human intervene ! human finger not count! laugh.gif
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QUOTE(ozak @ Apr 18 2018, 11:23 AM)
Btw, not annoying meh put PIR and motion sensor to activate light or anything ?

If you put in the toilet, 1/2 way shit, shiok2 surfing phone, than light off. It won't detect if you only slight move. Unless install near to you.

I hate this my back yard pir/motion light. I have to keep constant to move or wave the sensor when it OFF. Sensor is only 1-1.5m away from me.
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That's why I don't use motion sensor for those place that need longer occupancy, but I do place microwave motion sensor in bathroom, and I set it to very high sensitive, any small movement will trigger the lights on, microwave motion sensor is better than PIR as it is not directional, so far I'm happy with it.

Smartthings also has community developed smartapps - room occupancy manager, it can use complex logic by using multiple sensors to determine the room is in occupied state or engaged state.

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