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post Oct 14 2019, 02:43 PM

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QUOTE(theavatar @ Oct 14 2019, 12:16 PM)
went ahead and purchased wifi wall switch due to 2 reasons. firstly it's got a variant of 3 gang switch which i really need for a few switches in my house. secondly, it doesn't need a hub to work.
only bought a few to test and so far i like the functionality just that i'm beginning to not like the glass panel touch so much as we've been used to a "physical click" all this time.

aqara on the other hand somewhat mimics the traditional switches but of course with wifi capabilities. I'm thinking to try out aqara switch.

one question though.. with the switch that I have now, despite it doesn't need any neutral wire to work, but I do have to install a capacitor (provided together with the switch) on L1 or L2 depending on the gang of switch.
for aqara switch, do we need to install a capacitor too?

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Normally whether you need to install by-pass capacitor or not, it depends on the load (the bulb whatever types). In general, the LED light bulb leak very low current thus cannot drive the circuitry in the switch. Sometimes, the leak current is marginal leading to flickering of the LED light when in OFF state. This is when you need to add the capacitor. Otherwise, no capacitor is needed at all.

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post Oct 16 2019, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(Max @ Oct 16 2019, 11:16 AM)
If using that std box inside the wall, i dont think can fit.
Im also interested in that mini.. but seen my switch 'inner' wall box.. like no hope.. unless drill/knock more inside wall.
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If house still under renovation, then ok. If need to pull N wire, too troublesome for me. Making hole deeper is not much a problem as it is minor compare to cutting through wall, unless you want to lay wire on surface biggrin.gif

Yes, it will not fit unless you remove the switch smile.gif
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post Oct 23 2019, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(hendry91 @ Oct 23 2019, 09:06 AM)
Yes, I know not by lights, the purpose of neutral is to let the switch have electric right?
how about if I have two switch, can I loop the neutral cable from one to another one? Or have to pull two cable?

For example:
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No problem at all. As you know the N wires are looped at ceiling level for every 6 lighting point and go to 1x 6A MCB. So, makes no difference to loops at switch level smile.gif

I would not totally agree with pysh because you are looping at the connector points of those switches, not connecting serially through switch. If one switch is dead. it will not affect the other switch. It is the same as looping at ceiling.
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post Nov 1 2019, 08:13 AM

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QUOTE(NewUser0701 @ Oct 31 2019, 06:20 PM)
Dear All,

I need some  icon_question.gif  and advice on simple automation to turn on/off lights at home. My electrician suggested to install Hager timer to be installed next to my light switch, but i find this option bulky and intrusive and the unit will stick out. I am considering installing the din type timer at the DB but this will control 1 group of lights, since the wiring is in grouping.... not sure if this is a good idea.

Alternatively, I could install those wifi smart light switches. I saw the TP Link HS200 light switches and really like the design - clean and simple  biggrin.gif  the only drawback is that the light switches are US size and not the standard switches in my home  bangwall.gif

Need some advice here whether to go for analogue time or smart switches.

If analogue timer, what brands? should I install at the DB?
Any brands apart from TP Link if going for smart switches?

Hope you guys can help or share your experience. Thanks  icon_rolleyes.gif
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You were suggested a timer, means you need to turn on when it is dark and off when it is bright, right? Also, you do not need to remotely control the light.

I suggest you get a light sensor that you can install a light sensor. There are plenty of brands and there is even bulb with built-in light sensor. I have not use any but many expert here can help for sure.

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post Nov 2 2019, 09:15 PM

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QUOTE(lencent @ Nov 1 2019, 08:02 PM)
I think there are 3 elcbs
1 for lights
1 for wall plugs
1 for water heater and ac

I think so😅
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Are you sure it is ELCB not RCCB?
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post Nov 4 2019, 08:20 AM

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QUOTE(Max @ Nov 3 2019, 02:03 AM)
Yeah new 1 rccb.
Old type elcb.. used to call that thing elcb.. so it just  come in mind.. 😂
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It is quite normal for house with 3 phase wiring has 3 separate RCCBs nowadays. Old house like mine has 1 ELCB, but I pulled another cable and put another ELCB for kitchen mainly. biggrin.gif
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post Nov 4 2019, 08:21 AM

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QUOTE(lencent @ Nov 3 2019, 11:44 AM)
You are probably right. My house is running on 3 phase wiring. Anyway, not to deviate from the main discussion, any idea when is the aqara 3 buttons switch launching? I read it will be launched but have not seen in the market.
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No idea blush.gif
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post Nov 4 2019, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(blancpain4470 @ Nov 4 2019, 04:28 PM)
I don’t take my smart phone around in the house ... my house is 3 1/2 storeys. So having remotes around are better and also one control all per section of I want. 😄
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Yes. Mostly the people who clings to cellphone anywhere, everywhere are youngsters. I'm under grandpa category laugh.gif
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post Nov 4 2019, 05:01 PM

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QUOTE(pysh @ Nov 4 2019, 04:58 PM)
then u need alot of remote.. not sure about u but my phone will be with me more than my remote lol..
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Every time you order unit that comes with remote will come with remote or just order remote. You do not carry remote around but out one at strategic location smile.gif
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post Nov 4 2019, 05:10 PM

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QUOTE(pysh @ Nov 4 2019, 05:04 PM)
i get you, but you will end up with alot of remote right? and the remote is the usual 2 button remote that comes with Sonoff T1
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Yes. Just like one for TV, one for A/V, one for fan, and one for this and that laugh.gif

Last time I have one that can programmed for all and now no more that trend. Like no one producing one now since many apps can handle that through cell phone. I guess probably can just buy cheap phone to [lace all around the house for remote that is more flexible than the remote smile.gif
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post Nov 5 2019, 05:36 PM

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QUOTE(kit615 @ Nov 5 2019, 03:41 PM)
Hi I read a lot in this thread, and whenever it comes to neutral most suggestions are pull it from AC or plug as they already have existing neutral.

I have checked my place is single phase wiring, 2 circuits separated by 2 RCCD. Can anyone advise as long as the AC neutral and smart switches are on the same circuit it will not cause a trip?
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As long as the L and N return to same RCCD, it will not trip if this is what you meant... Yes.

Why not just use the one that need no N? biggrin.gif
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post Nov 6 2019, 01:59 PM

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QUOTE(blancpain4470 @ Nov 6 2019, 01:43 PM)
First the one without neutral are more expensive. Second they are limited in choice especially if you want good looking one.

BTW I asked my electrician to do a full check on the new house and for my house it is doable to have those with N but I have to relocate the light connection to be the same as the Aircond switch which I will pull the N.

Anyway I will search for those without N rather than moving the wires in my DB boxes. But it is definitely doable for my house. For others it be better you consult your electrician if you want to put on those with N.
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Everything is doable. The only problem I dislike is that if the house is already occupied, it will be dusty and messy for cement rendered wall. I've never seen contractor that really pro that contained mess in work area laugh.gif If new house, get it done before moving in thumbsup.gif Having N is very flexible for any future use.
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post Nov 6 2019, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(blancpain4470 @ Nov 6 2019, 02:57 PM)
You don't get me. In my case it is a simple case of pulling N from next aircond switch. No hacking. The additional work is to reroute the cables in the DB box to be the same with the aircond. Mine has spare slots so no issue.

It is of course better in my case also an unoccupied house now. But it is not a massive change
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My bad. It missed the relocate light connection blush.gif . It is simple job only
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post Nov 6 2019, 03:14 PM

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QUOTE(blancpain4470 @ Nov 6 2019, 03:11 PM)
😁 but I think i am still going to look for those without N. My DB boxes are neatly wired now and don't want to change the connections everywhere.

Only thing is Sonoff doesn't have one without N. I am not sure those that I have seen without N that look like Sonoff is modified Sonoff .... And they are also more expensive. I am worrying about the reliability 🤔
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I thought Sonoff have one already

https://www.itead.cc/sonoff-t4eu1c-wi-fi-sm...all-switch.html
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post Nov 6 2019, 03:38 PM

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QUOTE(kucau @ Nov 6 2019, 03:22 PM)
Hi anyone familiar with relay which has "dry contact" features? like this SONOFF RE5V1C - 5V Wifi Inching/Selflock Relay Module. the relay has no voltage at all? i prefer sonoff sv because of flexible input voltage but sonoff SV does not feature dry contact. can i use non dry contact relay with Autogate board ?
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Why not just use the relay in the Sonoff SV to switch another relay as dry contact" to control autogate board?
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post Nov 6 2019, 03:50 PM

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QUOTE(kucau @ Nov 6 2019, 03:44 PM)
huh? i dont get it. the relay in sonoff sv suppose has some voltage in it? right. thats why it is non dry contact
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Yes. Buy a relay. Use the power from the Sonoff non-dry relay to activate this new relay. Use this new relay to control the autogate.

You want a dry relay to control auto-gate, right?
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post Nov 6 2019, 05:33 PM

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QUOTE(alucard89 @ Nov 6 2019, 05:12 PM)
Mine showing how you connect the wiring with capacitor?
Some illustration maybe
Is it safe?
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It is just across the load, like if the bulb, just connect across the L and N points of the bulb where ever location convenience.

Sure it is safe. The capacitor just leak small amount of current to power the switch. Schematically, it is providing the N connection to the switch. smile.gif
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post Nov 7 2019, 03:50 PM

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QUOTE(alucard89 @ Nov 7 2019, 02:24 PM)
So need to open up the ceiling and put the capacitor there?
It's not something you just wired up in the back of the switch?
Still working nicely for you?  I mean lights still functioning and no other issues
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You can see the difference between putting the capacitor across the switch and across the lamp in my rough diagram below

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Putting at the lamp there means you create N line by bypassing the lamp. Crossing at the switch is like doing nothing biggrin.gif

Actually, the lamp like incandescent lamp is connecting the N to the switch. So, basically, when you have the touch switch replacing the normal switch, the current can flow and power the touch switch. Since the lamp filament is high resistance, the amount of current that can flow though it is low, enough to power the touch switch but too low to glow the filament. Therefore, the lamp is actually on but just cannot see the light laugh.gif

Using LED lamp in place of incandescent lamp the amount of current is even lower, thus not enough power to operate the touch switch. That is why the capacitor is put at the lamp to leak a bit more current to touch switch circuitry to enable it to operate. Otherwise, the touch switch will not work at all or barely work which cause the flickering LED light.

Some touch switch can still work without bypass capacitor. Maybe it uses very less power or the LED bulb used has enough leakage current to supply to the switch. Therefore, the bypass capacitor is not a must. You just need to install if flickering happened, but if you still want to put no harm is done. The capacitor will bypass very small current due to its low value thus robbed very low current. This will not affect the operational of the LED of normal bulb.
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QUOTE(th3game @ Nov 8 2019, 04:39 PM)
get sonoff 1 channel Inching/Self-locking Switch 5V 12V. it has a dry contact relay NO and NC and you can power it up using 12V DC from the autogate board or the backup battery. as long as it has esp8266 and a relay that would be suffice to control anything.

example image attached is my setup for my autogate and doorbell. i flashed the module with tasmota and control it with HA. also use esp8266 with 1 channel relay to sense the doorbell press.it runs custom firmware thru esphome. what u can do with that is limitless smile.gif

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Wah! Your auto-gate board is small thumbsup.gif
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post Nov 8 2019, 05:01 PM

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QUOTE(th3game @ Nov 8 2019, 04:48 PM)
pls watch the following video for better understanding.

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I was explaining to alucard89 smile.gif

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