QUOTE(jacckl @ Apr 30 2015, 12:28 AM)
i thought europa only left 2 spot, 5th and 6th? aston villa gonna take one since arsenal already in ucl.
this season new rules. fa cup runnerup get nothing.
so unless villa win, the 7th spot will get europa.
English Clubs Liverpool LYN Kop Talk v96, Happy 123rd Birthday, Liverpool!
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QUOTE(lp16 @ Apr 29 2015, 11:24 PM) Well, I do hope we lose another one or 2 matches. Let Spurs/Soton take 5th. Forget Europa. It's more of a distraction than attraction. Concentrate on domestic duties. Are there higher chances of #BrOut if we lose both the games?This season even with CL, we can't attract big names. Next season, don't wish for even average players. We need to use our current players and use them according to their strength. |
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CODE Jürgen Klopp would find it very hard to turn down Liverpool should the offer come along because of the great similarity with Borussia Dortmund and the attractive challenge he would find at Anfield. That is, in the opinion of respected German football expert Raphel Honigstein. He told talkSPORT radio that Liverpool have made offers for Klopp twice before. They were knocked back then but might get a different answer if they were to try again now. "Speaking to people close to him in November, when it was already on the cards that he might move to England sooner rather than later, the feeling was that he wanted to move to an established Champions League club," Honigstein revealed. "But he's also realistic enough to know that there aren't that many likely offers from top four clubs coming in. At the same time, in so far as a emotional connection, and an ideal fit, Borussia Dortmund to Liverpool is the closest resemblance you can find. Borussia Dortmund v 1899 Hoffenheim - DFB Cup "They also sing 'You'll Never Walk Alone' at Dortmund. The fans are a huge part of the club and there's a special kind of atmosphere in the city as well. So, I think it would be very, very hard for him to turn Liverpool down, even though he'd almost be starting again at the point he was at Dortmund a few years ago." The kind of challenge Klopp would face at Liverpool wouldn't be dissimilar to one he encountered at Dortmund when he arrived in the summer of 2008. "He built them from being a Europa League side to being a title contender and then into a side that could challenge to win the Champions League," Honigstein explained. "He might feel that those two or three (building) years (at Liverpool) might be a real challenge for him." For the time being though, such talk is purely speculative. The understanding is that current Liverpool boss Brendan Rodgers is safe for another 12 months at least, although that won't necessarily rule Klopp out of the running if the job is to become available in 2016. "I think he wouldn't be averse to sitting out a year and doing something else if the right offer doesn't come along," Honigstein said. "He's not in the kind of position like other managers where he would go and coach somewhere like Turkey or another club in the Bundesliga - that's totally unthinkable for him." SOS |
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QUOTE(tampinmy @ Apr 30 2015, 07:30 AM) Yes, pressure will be mounting on the manager if lose against QPR and Chelsea or worst lose all the remaining matches.The club should be review the manager position seriously, it is painful to watch the team this year after spending more than 100 million. Keep on changing formation, no striker upfront, no steel in midfield, no creative in the final third. |
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This is a very good fan post I cherry picked from Liverpool Echo; sums up the current sentiment of LFC fans right now;
QUOTE Right I had to get this off my chest This post has been edited by carloz28: Apr 30 2015, 09:13 AMIt's been 25 years since Liverpool have won the league title but I will start with the current regime. Liverpool football club are going nowhere under FSG,yes they have stabilised us financially they have made us more commercially strong with their links in America but on the pitch it has been a disaster in my opinion. In the time they have been here they have given Dalglish & Rodgers roughly £350 million to spend on 45 players but have recouped roughly around £250 million at least I don't know the exact figure. Out of those 45 players signed who has been a real success so far? Sturridge,Henderson,Ibe,Suarez,Can you could add 2 maybe 3 more players to that list So that translates to 8 players out of 45 signings that have been a success under FSG 4 out of 5 signings made under FSG have either flopped or failed to replicate the price payed for them of yet. 1 in 5 signings have produced the goods on a regular basis and for me that is just not good. FSG have certainly given their managers money but they appointed the wrong managers to spend over £300 million. Kenny Dalglish is a living legend but he was out of the game too long and thought buying British was the way forward and it simply wasn’t, we have now got a manager who should never of been considered for the job in the first place and can not attract big names,his first two signings at the club were Joe Allen and Fabio Borini. No wonder the transfer committee was put in place,it was to stop Brendan Rodgers going back to his former club Swasnea and wasting money on average players. Last summer Rodgers had the final say over every transfer he personally handpicked Lallana,Lovren and Lambert that's £50 million wasted on 3 players from a midtable team. Brendan Rodgers is still the man according to some Liverpool fans even though Luis Suarez won him the manager of the year award last season. Suarez made every single one of those Liverpool players perform to an unnatural level because he was a winner,he would win at all costs sometimes over stepping the mark and being a c*nt but he was magnificent he was a warrior and because of his natural ability, opposition defences use to put two men on Suarez which then created space for the likes of sterling and sturridge,this season without Suarez both players look average. Suarez made Sturridge,without suarez,Sturridge is nothing but an egostical,greedy,selfish footballer whom is a great finisher. Second place happened last year in a unique set of circumstances. Man United, Chelsea and City all had new managers and were rebuilding which gave us a chance and we had the best striker in world football carrying our team. Rodgers and FSG knew Suarez was going in early June, so Rodgers could of went to Brazil to try and persuade Alexis Sanchez to join LFC. By the way this is not a personal attack but it's simply stating the truth he was too busy jetting all over America with his latest fling whilst Wenger was busy tying down Senor Sanchez to a contract at Arsenal. This season has been nothing short of embarrassing,we were knocked out the group stage of the champions league group stage in a group that contained both Basel and Ludogerets,Rodgers proved how inept he is on the big stage and even if we finished in the top four this season I would fear for us in the champions league next season with Rodgers at the helm because he is still learning on the job,if Rodgers is getting out thought by Tim Sherwood and Steve Bruce how would he fair against the very best teams in Europe next season. That game at the bernabau will stick in my memory for a long time,never has a manager at Liverpool Football Club set out a team to try and keep the score down and that is exactly what Brendan Rodgers did. We had the worst start to a season for 52 years and it was only because we had a fairly easy run in after Christmas and injuries to Rodgers favourite players that we started to pick up abit of form but yet again Rodgers team bottles it when it really counts and Rodgers gets tactically outwitted by a better manager. Aston Villa in the semi final two weeks ago was probably the most inept,pathetic,disgraceful spineless performance I have ever seen a Liverpool Team put in. But Rodgers is the one who built this weak team that's full of bottlers and lacks leaders,he is obssessed with wee technicians,yes wee technicians win you the smaller games but the going gets tough in the big games you need your big players your dirk kuyts your javier mascheranos and your jamie carraghers and we don't have that under Brendan Rodgers and I don't think we ever will with him as manager. Those who say sacking Rodgers now will put us in transition for another 2-3 years,if we keep Rodgers it may end up costing the club even more money because he'll have to sell the deadwood he has signed,the fact is we have been in transition since Rafa Benitez was sack. Since FSG took over we have finished 6th,8th,7th,2nd and most likely finishing 6th this season. So that averages 5th place under the american owners,for over £350 million spent you'd expect a better return than average 5th place finish and I think with a better manager in charge Liverpool would be able to challenge for honours again. FSG have got to bite the bullet and give Rodgers his marching orders go out and get either Rafa Benitez or Jurgen Klopp both managers are proven managers with impressive CVs,the same can't be said of Rodgers. Both Klopp and Rafa have contacts throughout Europe,they are known as top coaches throughout Europe. Klopp will have an extensive knowledge of German football,he will know how to spot a bargain after all he bought kagawa for £300,000 and Hummels for £2.8 million. If Liverpool don't get this right,we may never win the league or European cup again and could end up like a forrest or leeds and only be remembered for being a big team in the 70's and 80's. Anyhow our demise started the day Kenny Dalglish resigned as manager of LFC back in 1991,the pressure had gotten to him after hillsborough and had to leave due to stress that was the day Liverpool fell off their perch. Souness came in and dismantled a very good but ageing Liverpool team too soon and replaced quality players with dross like Ruddock,Hutchinson and Dicks. Souness left Liverpool with us being in Midtable,Roy Evans took over,now in my opinion that team Roy Evans had was one of the most talented LFC teams never to win the league but the problem was Roy Evans was too soft,what Liverpool needed at the time was a manager who was stern,passionate and aggressive but unfortutely he was managing our rivals down the east lancs. Houiller was installed as the new Liverpool manager after Evans stepped down, Houiller broke up the nucleus of the spice boys he installed discipline and steel into Liverpool Football Club he also added many trophies to the club and put in my opinion Liverpool back on the map. Gerard took the club as far as he could he was then replaced by arguably our best tactical manager we have ever had but one criticism about Rafa was he was too cold at times but that was because he was a perfectionist Steven Gerrard didn't like that,he needed an arm around him Rafa wasn't there to be his mate he was there to manage him. In Rafa's first season,we finished 5th with an absolute terrible squad but he and the squad pulled off a miracle and we won old big ears for the 5th time in Istanbul,a year later we won the fa cup and we looked like we were getting stronger and stronger. The day it all changed was when David Moores did the unthinkable and refused to sell to Dubai International Capital,instead he went for two american cow boys and because of that fatal day the club has been paying for it because of David Moores stupidity. Rafa had to work under owners who were looking to milk the club dry,they were leeches and it was Rafa who highlighted what these two thiefs were upto. After finishing 2nd in 2009,Rafa should of been given a war chest to push on,instead he had to sell to buy yet again and actually made a profit in the 2009 transfer window. Don't get me wrong what little money had in 2009 he spent it poorly but he should of been signing the likes of David Silva and Yaya Toure. In the summer of 2010,Rafa was sacked after 1 bad season in 6,unfortunately Rafa was fighting too many battles without any help,Senior players at the club got him the sack and those same two players wanted Roy Hodgson to take over at LFC. The were 4 people involved in the sacking of Benitez,the two senior players,Purslow and Ian Ayre. One of the senoir players has retired,one is leaving this summer,which only leaves Ian Ayre left at the club and if FSG had any ambition they'd sakc Ayre and get a proven winner like Rafa back or persuade Jurgen Klopp to join. Don't get me wrong Rafa wasn't perfect and he made mistakes but the amount of pressure he was under,the players he wanted and the players he was given,he asked for a couch but was given a lamp shade. He fought for the club and he fought for the fans,where was these two senior players whilst rafa was fighting the owners?. That's right leaking stories to Chris Bascombe. Those who say never go back regarding Rafa Benitez I just say JOSE MOURINHO. He went back to Chelsea Mourinho and has made them the strongest they have been in years and with the backing both Rodgers and Dalglish were given at LFC I feel Rafa would get up Mr Mourinhos nose once again. Mourinho hated Rafa because he knew Rafa could out wit him and that's a fact. As I stated earlier we have not won the league for 25 years and since we last won the league these have been our finishes: 2nd,6th,6th,8th,4th,3rd,4th,3rd,7th,4th,3rd,2nd,5th,4th,5th,3rd,3rd,4th,2nd,7th,6th,8th,7th,2nd. Since that league title win in 1990 the average league table finish is 4.5thUnder FSG we are heading the same way as the 90's under Souness and later Roy Evans,Rodgers reminds me of Roy Evans a nice guy but only has a Plan A. When Houiller took over he put us back on the map,when Rafa took over he made us one of the most feared teams in Europe, we won two fa cups,two league cups,two super cups,uefa cup,champions league and a chairty shield in the 11 years Houiller and Rafa were in charge. FSG we want you to put Liverpool back on the map,we want to be the most feared team in Europe and unless you get a manager capable of doing so,a manager with a proven record of signing top players and winning trophies we will continue to finish midtable ala the 1990's and we'll become another forest or villa. Mr Henry this in my opinion is the biggest summer in Liverpool's history if you and FSG get it wrong then we'll be stuck in midtable mediocrity for a very long time. JOE |
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Chelsea is 1 win away from the title.. Hooray
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Apr 30 2015, 08:27 AM) umm ya, which is what i said 1hr ago. 0-0 with penalty shootout, also can. not like villa will win anyway, they're not playing LFC in the final Sherwood is a decent manager and brushed aside easily against tactical genius in semi-final. Ya, but to be realistic, Arsenal seldom slip up like Liv did. |
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QUOTE(carloz28 @ Apr 30 2015, 09:09 AM) This is a very good fan post I cherry picked from Liverpool Echo; sums up the current sentiment of LFC fans right now; A very good read and it speak the truth indeed....but I just wonder if FSG really going back for Rafa, will he get another financial backing like what Kenny and Rodgers get? If no, then I think even it's Rafa also will have a very hard time to performs considering how our current players all need to be pampers......Btw, do u happen to have the article/source in which Carra & Gerrard influence in Rafa sacking? |
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Liverpool's out-and-out forwards have been the least prolific of any Premier League club. Crystal Palace's have the next lowest tally, with 11, followed by Sunderland (12). Charlie Austin, top scorer for a QPR team who are 19th in the table, has scored more than twice as many on his own (17) as Liverpool's entire strike-force. Tottenham midfielder Nacer Chadli (10) has also outscored Liverpool's forwards. Liverpool's specialist strikers have scored fewer league goals than Everton's first-choice back four of Leighton Baines (2), Phil Jagielka (3), John Stones (1) and Seamus Coleman (3). |
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QUOTE(bearbear @ Apr 30 2015, 10:11 AM) Much burn with facts wahhh today so free.. yup as i said, either our strikers are weak or BR don't know how to play strikers.Liverpool's out-and-out forwards have been the least prolific of any Premier League club. Crystal Palace's have the next lowest tally, with 11, followed by Sunderland (12). Charlie Austin, top scorer for a QPR team who are 19th in the table, has scored more than twice as many on his own (17) as Liverpool's entire strike-force. Tottenham midfielder Nacer Chadli (10) has also outscored Liverpool's forwards. Liverpool's specialist strikers have scored fewer league goals than Everton's first-choice back four of Leighton Baines (2), Phil Jagielka (3), John Stones (1) and Seamus Coleman (3). |
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QUOTE(yeelong @ Apr 30 2015, 10:24 AM) wahhh today so free.. yup as i said, either our strikers are weak or BR don't know how to play strikers. how to play striker when1) sturridge injured almost whole season 2) play sterling as false nine 3) not playing balo to his strength 4) buy lambert and borini for fun |
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QUOTE(jacckl @ Apr 30 2015, 10:33 AM) how to play striker when the bolded part, i classified as inability to identify and deploy proper strategy to maximize the performance of our available striker personnels effectively.1) sturridge injured almost whole season 2) play sterling as false nine 3) not playing balo to his strength 4) buy lambert and borini for fun |
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QUOTE(GrandElf @ Apr 30 2015, 10:04 AM) A very good read and it speak the truth indeed....but I just wonder if FSG really going back for Rafa, will he get another financial backing like what Kenny and Rodgers get? If no, then I think even it's Rafa also will have a very hard time to performs considering how our current players all need to be pampers...... Unfortunately not that I know of. Internal strife like this won't be published out in the mainstream media just like that esp. When it involves Gerrard n Carra and you wont hear this from the horse's mouth either.But I don't doubt the veracity of this claim though, it has been circulatin' around for quite awhile.Btw, do u happen to have the article/source in which Carra & Gerrard influence in Rafa sacking? |
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Awaiting the below results and let's get the season over with
LFC 0 - 1 QPR Chelsea 2 - 0 LFC LFC 0 - 0 Crystal Palace Stoke 1 - 0 LFC |
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QUOTE(Patt_Hup @ Apr 30 2015, 11:06 AM) Awaiting the below results and let's get the season over with and start new campaign with new manager n new players?!!!! can't want to see what team LFC will bring in july or new manager perhaps?LFC 0 - 1 QPR Chelsea 2 - 0 LFC LFC 0 - 0 Crystal Palace Stoke 1 - 0 LFC |
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