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post Apr 16 2015, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(melt @ Apr 16 2015, 02:12 PM)
can we report mod who abuse his power just to reply by opening a close topic?  whistling.gif
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Sorry, didn't notice the topic was closed, I didn't open the topic to reply, I just hit reply button through the notification on the upper page then here goes the post even without opening the topic.
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post Apr 16 2015, 02:27 PM

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Apr 16 2015, 02:00 PM)
like who wants to come here drive myvis when can go elsewhere drive mustangs? tongue.gif

btw, reports has said klopp resigned and wants to take a one year break...so guess its BR for another year.
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BR has another year to prove his doubter wrong then. tongue.gif

But the news doesn't state Klopp wants a break.
http://www.espnfcasia.com/german-bundesliga/10/news
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Klopp confirmed that he will leave the club with which he won back-to-back Bundesliga titles in 2011 and 2012, and reached the Champions League final in 2013.

He said that he has not stepped down in order to take a break from football, but neither has he got another job lined up.

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post Apr 16 2015, 04:23 PM

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QUOTE(jacckl @ Apr 16 2015, 04:12 PM)
mcity need someone to sack after 2 years, br fit the requirement

oh wai~
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It would be interesting to see BR in charge of Mancity.
Doubter and supporter of BR will finally see an answer.

Don't get me wrong, not advocate for BR sacking.
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post Apr 16 2015, 04:32 PM

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QUOTE(maranello55 @ Apr 16 2015, 04:26 PM)
with better players and oil money...sure..
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You never know, if the manager still eyeing for the like Lovren, Lallana type of players. tongue.gif

Mind that, M Hughes in charge of Mancity before and was given fair amount of money to spend upon as well.


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post Apr 17 2015, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(AnythingK @ Apr 17 2015, 10:57 AM)
Is there any source or stats that he is the player that has been foul the most? It would be very interesting.
Agreed, just look at last season when Suarez with us. Just how many penalty and free kick won by Suarez himself. Still remembered his dribble in the opponent penalty box often resulting in handball then penalty. It is such a joy to watch him.
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Nutmeg specifically.

Opponent defender facing this kind of attacking player, tend to become "kelam kabut" already, opening up opportunity of scoring goal as well as give free space for other to score.
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post Apr 17 2015, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(kevafk @ Apr 17 2015, 01:07 PM)
huh,
Lambert is reported to be 50K per week? shocking.gif
Toure at 75K per week? shocking.gif

A squad, backup, aging players are having such a wages, no wonder always "cannot afford".
So generous...
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post Apr 17 2015, 05:41 PM

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QUOTE(AnythingK @ Apr 17 2015, 04:21 PM)
The mighty super defender of the century Dejan Lovren take home 75k per week.  laugh.gif
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If it is true, squad player that not intended to be used by manager, 75K + 50K + 75K = 200K wages. doh.gif

How can Coutinho wages lower than Lovren and Toure? shocking.gif
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post Apr 17 2015, 06:18 PM

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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Apr 17 2015, 05:47 PM)
Toure came with zero transfer fee. Bosman ruling so generally speaking wages you are willing to pay will determine where he goes. So it's understandable to get him, you need to afford to pay above average wages.

No comment on Lambert or even Lovren. Unexplainable.  rclxub.gif
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I can understand a player come with Bosman ruling who is mid 20's, whereby potential still can recoup transfer fee if selling the player later on,
save up transfer fee + potential transfer fee later = higher wages, ok, no argument.

But Toure is a 33 yo player approaching retirement age already.
Somemore, everyone knew Toure mostly as a backup player only, paying 75K for a backup player who is 33?

No way Coutinho newer contract less than Toure, no matter how the excuse is.

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post Apr 17 2015, 10:43 PM

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QUOTE(kevafk @ Apr 17 2015, 09:09 PM)
if all works out well we could save about 770k wage, with this wage we could offer good contract. With Sterling and Hendo all looking for new offer in the summer.. and hopefully we could get some star players that makes everyone happy tongue.gif
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If Lovren, Toure is on 70/75K, now I can understand why Sterling and Hendo reluctantly to sign a new contract.

Wages structure need to get it right, cannot be squad aging player also get the same wages with first team young promising player that actually contributing to the team.
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post Apr 20 2015, 08:43 AM

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The club seriously needs to assess the manager position.

Yesterday match totally expose the depth of the manager.
The club spent more than 100 mil over the summer to so called improved depth of squad, the reality may be the manager out of depth.

1. Tactically blunder in such an important match. Change the formation from 3 at the back to 4, after scoring the first goal, which lead to the equaliser.
Tactically outplayed by Sherwood.

2. Never learn Gerrard is not DM. Early slump in the season already highlighted the issue, yet, played Gerrard in such a role at second half when the team needed to find a goal.
In fact, starting Gerrard may be the wrong choice, the team looks like playing with 10 men in the first half.

Recent weeks, there were 3 matches that shape the entire season, against MU, Arsenal, and FA cup semi-final, all have one identical similar issue across, totally outplayed by opponent.
The bolded part is the key why the club needs to assess the manager position.
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post Apr 20 2015, 10:08 AM

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Mancity still interested to make a move for BR? whistling.gif


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post Apr 20 2015, 05:30 PM

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QUOTE(jacckl @ Apr 20 2015, 04:48 PM)
get a top striker for $30m is better than buying 3 strikers at $35m and put them on the bench
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Lovren + Lallana + Markovic + Origi > 70 mil...

This is what I had mentioned before, large squad with mediocre players no use one to improve "squad depth".



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post Apr 21 2015, 08:02 AM

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QUOTE(carrera_gt @ Apr 20 2015, 11:06 PM)
What's happen with br...

He seems doesn't know how to put striker properly. Sterling isn't a real striker. Aston Villa already put a good strategy to defend sterling.

Until balo comes, goyang sikit.

Then lambert comes on, good chance especially play long ball.

Aiyoo...balo and lambert has nice first touch and good passing skill. Should have played them.

Studridge also need a partner. Balo or lambert will do cause they are good in passing and strong.

#brout tongue.gif
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In the last 10 min, when the team try to play long ball to Balo, it seems work better, more threat to upfront, instead pass pass pass, tiki taka, nowhere to go in the final third.
Balo is good at holding up the ball, as compared to Sterling.
Sterling strength is more a dribble type bursting from midfield player, not a striker.

But the manager may too stubborn to recognise it.
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post Apr 21 2015, 01:53 PM

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QUOTE(sinoffire @ Apr 21 2015, 11:09 AM)
correct me if i'm wrong, sterling is getting 30k/week gaji now, with contract ending 2017 as per HERE
omos 1 year to go to contract ends, he wants more than 100k?

his recent perf doesnt justify though. 100k/week oso abit too much liaw. most i give mayb 70k-80k range. but that's just me.
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If lovren and Toure are getting in the range of 70K, how can Sterling also same range with them? whistling.gif
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QUOTE(kenlimfornication @ Apr 21 2015, 02:16 PM)
On the wages part, that's 1 thing FSG and BR is good at isn't it?

If you don't perform, you don't get paid. Of course then his selling price becomes lower as he runs down his contract.

Unlike doubling a pay when someone threatens to leave with the reason the team has no top player.
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I don't know, but if Lovren and Toure are at 70K, it gives you a clue how well they manage the wages issue... sweat.gif
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post Apr 21 2015, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(kenlimfornication @ Apr 21 2015, 03:22 PM)
I can explain for Toure which has something to do with the Bosman Ruling. Whereby free transfer are given higher wages. Same like how we signed Joe Cole, Milan Jovanovic and Voronin.

As for Lovren, though his performance has been poor with us this season, but he was vital and I would say successful for Southampton last year.
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Toure was about 33 when signed last year.
Not mid 20 or late 20s.
You don't pay high wages for a player that going into retirement age.

For Lovren, it just suggests judgement on player was poor by the manager or the transfer committee, one season wonder, you pay 20 mil + 70K wages?

If one season wonder CB can be rated 20 mil + 70K wages, then striker like Ing, Austin may as well 30 mil rated with more than 100k? whistling.gif
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QUOTE(jacckl @ Apr 21 2015, 04:15 PM)
are our financial that bad we had to b*tch about toure and lovren salary? both of them not even on top players salary bracket in liverpool. falcao got paid 300k sitting on the bench for mu, diaby earn 65k when he spend more time in hospital than playing for arsenal, mcity had tons of dead wood in the team and i'm sure chelsea got a few as well.

coutinho just renew his contract and his salary is around the region of 70k perweek. do you think it's fair for sterling to ask for 150k? i feel even 100k is a bit "over" for him at the moment.
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Yes, because the club is not afford to pay top wages... despite top 10 club in Europe sums up poor financial management be it in transfer dealing to contract negotiation.

Liv has plenty of loan out players...
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post Apr 21 2015, 05:13 PM

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QUOTE(Everdying @ Apr 21 2015, 05:02 PM)
daily fail must be joking...letting go skrtel...
http://www.espnfc.com/blog/transfer-talk/7...layers-the-door
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Skrtel was out of favour at one time, same with Carra.

Both have same identical scenario, both players were out of favour by the manager, but then team leaking goals non-stop, both were recalled back to tighten up the defence.

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post Apr 21 2015, 05:33 PM

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QUOTE(kenlimfornication @ Apr 21 2015, 05:29 PM)
You clearly don't even bother to find out what Bosman ruling is. No point discussing a matter with you.
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Bosman ruling is attractive for club to pay high wages to player as they don't need to pay transfer fee.
Once the player signed the 5 years contract, the player has a valuation that club can recoup from, hence it justify for club to pay high wages.

Save from transfer fee + potential player valuation = high wages for player.

But this situation is not the same for player reaching retirement age, especially the player seems as stop gap or backup player only.
Somemore at that kind of age, transfer fee also minimal only if the player is not under Bosman.

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QUOTE(kenlimfornication @ Apr 21 2015, 05:44 PM)
Like you said, he is a back up of a back up. He was behind Carra (last year), Skrtel, Agger, and Sakho. Hence, we signed a player who can still play around 3 years.

Which will cost 36months x 70k = 2.5M. Assuming no bonus etc etc.

Share with me a player we can sign for 1M, and 40k wages and willing to the 5th CB. Thanks.
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Then the question will be why spent 2.5M on a 5th CB.
To improve 'depth" of the team until need 5th CB? laugh.gif

Every mil count.




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