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English Clubs Liverpool LYN Kop Talk v96, Happy 123rd Birthday, Liverpool!

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post Jun 3 2015, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(yeelong @ Jun 3 2015, 05:43 PM)
will support any team against RM hope RM will lose before xmas and get RB sacked
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if rafa doesnt get sack, next season u buy me ticket watch RM vs malaysia...ok?
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Jun 3 2015, 05:51 PM)
if rafa doesnt get sack, next season u buy me ticket watch RM vs malaysia...ok?
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wait what?? since when RM come visit malaysia?
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QUOTE(yeelong @ Jun 3 2015, 05:52 PM)
wait what?? since when RM come visit malaysia?
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my little guardian spirit told me.
not like u going to buy ticket for me anyway tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Everdying @ Jun 3 2015, 05:55 PM)
my little guardian spirit told me.
not like u going to buy ticket for me anyway tongue.gif
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LOL, come la, prosperity burget awaits u
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Next season Real Madrid will loan Steven Gerrard from LA. brows.gif

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QUOTE(de_sengal @ Jun 3 2015, 07:57 PM)
Next season Real Madrid will loan Steven Gerrard from LA.  brows.gif
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No lar, I heard they (those that isn't fan of rafa) says rafa will make Real Madrid the most boring team ever. Maybe will adopt a system of 8-1-1) as what Liverpool played under rafa (according to them)

Rafa new buys will be all defenders, defensive midfielders.

I wonder
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post Jun 3 2015, 10:13 PM

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so this season no klopp? aiseh

i am waiting for him leh
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post Jun 3 2015, 10:35 PM

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QUOTE(M4A1 @ Jun 3 2015, 10:13 PM)
so this season no klopp? aiseh

i am waiting for him leh
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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Jun 3 2015, 09:27 PM)
No lar, I heard they (those that isn't fan of rafa) says rafa will make Real Madrid the most boring team ever. Maybe will adopt a system of 8-1-1) as what Liverpool played under rafa (according to them)

Rafa new buys will be all defenders, defensive midfielders.

I wonder
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That won't happen, because it's Perez who signs the players.

But despite all the resources Madrid has, success isn't a guarantee. In fact, it's the toughest managerial world the footballing world today.
He will be up against possibly the best football team in decades.
Have almost no say on the big signings.
Have bunch of so-called ultra fans who are essentially spoilt brats.

Seems a risky move by Rafa but he has been out of the elite group of managers since Inter.
If he wins at least a major cup (La Liga/CL) in the next 2 or 3 years, he will be pushed back to the limelight.

Mourinho won the La Liga. Ancelotti brought home the coveted La Decima. Neither were spared, so let's see what Rafa could bring to the table.
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Either Henry sleeps with BR or BR got some real tasty pix or video of Henry. Like that also don't kena sack!!!???

Damn!
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QUOTE(led_zep_freak @ Jun 4 2015, 12:10 AM)
That won't happen, because it's Perez who signs the players.

But despite all the resources Madrid has, success isn't a guarantee. In fact, it's the toughest managerial world the footballing world today.
He will be up against possibly the best football team in decades.
Have almost no say on the big signings.
Have bunch of so-called ultra fans who are essentially spoilt brats.

Seems a risky move by Rafa but he has been out of the elite group of managers since Inter.
If he wins at least a major cup (La Liga/CL) in the next 2 or 3 years, he will be pushed back to the limelight.

Mourinho won the La Liga. Ancelotti brought home the coveted La Decima. Neither were spared, so let's see what Rafa could bring to the table.
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Contrary to reports, Real Madrid managers has an imput on players the hope to get. (see comments by RM manager(s), past & present on the linked players)

What you guys are fed are the news media's simplistic view on how it works. Of course Perez has a big say, he assumes the role of 'director of football' there, what real Madrid wants (after evaluation on the reinforcements with the coaches and managers) they get their man. No amount of nitty gritty money problems that plagues some tightly budgeted teams.

It's the same with Liverpool, Rodgers sets out who he wants, transfer committee will try to get, on conditions they fall within the set conditions (i.e. wage structure, etc) by the owners.

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If Brendan Rodgers doesn't buy well Liverpool will DISAPPEAR as a top club

After finishing runners-up in the 2013/14 season, the Reds have since struggled to keep pace with the top four, sliding to sixth place this year.

And Molby admits the pressure is on Brendan Rodgers to come good in the transfer window or he risks Liverpool 'disappearing' as a top club.

"I know it sounds dramatic but this is the biggest summer Liverpool have ever had.

"Get it wrong and the danger is we disappear from that select group of five or six teams who are up there competing every year.

"I know the club fell off its perch long ago in terms of winning titles. But in the years since we've always been in the pack of clubs just behind. (but now) "We risk slipping away unless the glaring weaknesses in our squad are addressed."

- Jan Molby


We fans all should know how a football club is run. It's the same on how corporate companies conduct themselves. Understandable the media feeds and misled some of the readers (base on their comprehension on biasness and maybe, naivety). All managers have a big say in who they think the players should come to reinforce the team. How the team performs has a bearing on his tenure there.

We all know this figurative saying.
When Rafa wanted a table, (unfortunately) he got only a table lamp from the owners when he was at Liverpoolfc
At Madrid, I'm pretty sure he'll get THAT table, and it won't be sourced from ikea but the Real Madrid way!

Brendan Rodgers sees and buys into FSGs philosophy and decidely to (only) shop at bargains corner AT ikea as far. That's the difference. Of course then there are raids into those seemingly expensive players from Southampton (example). It's pretty much like shopping at those assembled/per decorated 'seasonal' showunits (at ikea)! Just because they look good as show units, whether it (really) fits your home, goes entirely on whether you are a good decorator (ID guy). Also when the home really needs a kitchen, he decides instead on a sofa set! That's Brendan. He thinks the sofa works/function like in a kitchen!!!


The players orgins (preferably British players) isn't and wasnt set by FSG, it has always been a Liverpoolfc's tradition. Know our club, we can disagree on this but it has always been that way, even long before Liverpoolfc was sold.

This post has been edited by koolspyda: Jun 4 2015, 09:07 AM
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Rafa will do well with Madrid. Mark my words.


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QUOTE(Mikeshashimi @ Jun 4 2015, 07:19 AM)
Rafa will do well with Madrid. Mark my words.
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The transfers policy & terms from the owner make it hard for BR. Everyone knows that need to spend big amount of money to get to top of table. with World class player and top quality performances. How you want to catch a big fish while you have a small rod ? its not easy. This is what happening now. Despite of pressure being sack, BR knows how to take the pressure and surely he's gonna big for this summer transfer. Cheap Players, good quality. well, surely not a world class player budget. We won UEFA CL cup back in 2005, We were underdog teams in the Europe. Still can go to Final. Twice. 2005 and 2006. Meanwhile now, the idea of bring it back to the top of league should be revised by the Owner. He should give a big budget for BR to spend a world class players.

Loss of Suarez, Injured Sturridge, Big head Sterling, Return Origi, Classic Countinho, Lost Balloteli and Irreplaceable Legend Gerrard. BR has a lot to give now for next season. Let's see how he manage in Transfer plan.

#YNWA
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QUOTE(JoJawJack @ Jun 4 2015, 07:52 AM)
Loss of Suarez, Injured Sturridge, Big head Sterling, Return Origi, Classic Countinho, Lost Balloteli and Irreplaceable Legend Gerrard. BR has a lot to give now for next season. Let's see how he manage in Transfer plan.

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Just saying, those problem is BR's own doing, he as a manage should knows how to manager players, how to manage the club, how to retain players, how to bring the best out of a player. Apart from the Sturridge injury, Suarez, and Gerrard leaving, problematic Sterling, Balotelli god knows why he's not getting any game time, this is all BR's own doing. He simply fucked up.

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QUOTE(JoJawJack @ Jun 4 2015, 08:52 AM)
The transfers policy & terms from the owner make it hard for BR. Everyone knows that need to spend big amount of money to get to top of table. with World class player and top quality performances. How you want to catch a big fish while you have a small rod ? its not easy. This is what happening now. Despite of pressure being sack, BR knows how to take the pressure and surely he's gonna big for this summer transfer. Cheap Players, good quality. well, surely not a world class player budget. We won UEFA CL cup back in 2005, We were underdog teams in the Europe. Still can go to Final. Twice. 2005 and 2006. Meanwhile now, the idea of bring it back to the top of league should be revised by the Owner. He should give a big budget for BR to spend a world class players.

Loss of Suarez, Injured Sturridge, Big head Sterling, Return Origi, Classic Countinho, Lost Balloteli and Irreplaceable Legend Gerrard. BR has a lot to give now for next season. Let's see how he manage in Transfer plan.

#YNWA
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Not all that difficult.

We have in the past identified good players at a bargain and they came off absolutely a legend! Simple example, Sami hypia.

it's (the) knowing what you want the team you manage, play. A preset idea, a framework. Yes, Brendan Rodgers appears to have an idea when he landed lfc's converted managerial position.

The problem I have with Rodgers is (to me) he been a pushover, a seemingly 'wanting' to please all quarters. A perfect man manager. An unfortunate YES person. I have said this a long time ago. all those thug like calls on the pitch ("steady, steady" on sterling) doesn't translate to how he sticks to his set idea how the team should carry out the master gameplay. He is grouping for solutions during big games, statistically almost always falling short in big(ger) games.

Perhaps, he (BR) will learn. He did at some stages appear too. By and for Liverpool's future sake, he better take into all account and stop all those school boy mistakes (such as that starting with revolutionary 4 centerbacks! Even when there are capable left/right backs)

He has a big grandeur of ideology how to play the better Spanish way, the old Liverpool pass n move, the Dutch all rotating players. Honestly he only need to add some realistic gameplay and forgo those rhetoric super fantasy football ideology. Even top spanish, dutch national team manager added pragmatisim.

Understandably, it's a learning ground for him as he never had experience it as more previously from his past team managerial exploits. He has been overly idealistic on how we should play, lfc's gameplay. Respect your opponents too, and prepare against their strategy. Don't think they (opponents) will just knell at your 'death by possession football'. It rather naive.

my previous post link (anfieldwrap) had Rafa too (at liverpoolfc) identified bargains that turn out good. It was never always about expensively assembled player and buys.

http://www.theanfieldwrap.com/2015/06/live...he-buying-game/

Brendan can turn player into something useful for the club. Play them to their strength(first)! Not everyone can adapt into roles they are not accustomed too. A player spend a lifetime being groomed into a certain role and too suddenly thrown into a position where he couldn't get the basics right. That's what is expected off from Brendan's ideology of the perfect Liverpool. He needs to be a little more realistic/pragmatic.

Bargains do come by sometimes, it's not set thing. However you know to have a certain know how to extract, to unearth the unknown. For our sake, Rodgers, I hope u knock some senses to yourself.

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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Jun 4 2015, 07:08 AM)
Contrary to reports, Real Madrid managers has an imput on players the hope to get. (see comments by RM manager(s), past & present on the linked players)

What you guys are fed are the news media's simplistic view on how it works. Of course Perez has a big say, he assumes the role of 'director of football' there, what real Madrid wants (after evaluation on the reinforcements with the coaches and managers) they get their man. No amount of nitty gritty money problems that plagues some tightly budgeted teams.

It's the same with Liverpool, Rodgers sets out who he wants, transfer committee will try to get, on conditions they fall within the set conditions (i.e. wage structure, etc) by the owners.
We fans all should know how a football club is run. It's the same on how corporate companies conduct themselves. Understandable the media feeds and misled some of the readers (base on their comprehension on biasness and maybe, naivety). All managers have a big say in who they think the players should come to reinforce the team. How the team performs has a bearing on his tenure there.

We all know this figurative saying.
When Rafa wanted a table, (unfortunately) he got only a table lamp from the owners when he was at Liverpoolfc
At Madrid, I'm pretty sure he'll get THAT table, and it won't be sourced from ikea but the Real Madrid way!

Brendan Rodgers sees and buys into FSGs philosophy and decidely to (only) shop at bargains corner AT ikea as far. That's the difference. Of course there are raids into those seemingly expensive players from Southampton (example). It's pretty much like shopping at those assembled/per decorated seasonal showunits (at ikea)! Just because they look good as show units, whether it (really) fits your home, goes entirely on whether you are a good decorator (ID guy).

The players orgins (preferably British players) isn't and wasnt set by FSG, it has always been a Liverpoolfc's tradition. Know our club, we can disagree on this but it has always been that way, even long before Liverpoolfc was sold.
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Of course managers have an input, the question is how much? Obvious it wasn't enough for Rafa in Valencia, Liverpool and quite likely at Napoli too. At least in Madrid, even if he gets the table lamp, it's the best table lamp in the world.

Like you have said, Perez is part of a 'transfer committee'. The difference with other clubs is that he has the political support from the club, defines the long term vision of Madrid and holds the chequebook. Managers are as dispensable as players.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...s_campaign=1490

FSG and transfer committee at its best... or the footballers nowadays are being too greedy?
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QUOTE(skyz @ Jun 4 2015, 09:25 AM)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...s_campaign=1490

FSG and transfer committee at its best... or the footballers nowadays are being too greedy?
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From the report I cant blame Skrtel, it seems that the contract that he going to sign needs him to play up to 80% of the Liverpool games to entitle that salary which he think is an insult to him.

There were no value stated so we know if he is being greedy or not.


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QUOTE(melt @ Jun 4 2015, 10:39 AM)
From the report I cant blame Skrtel, it seems that the contract that he going to sign needs him to play up to 80% of the Liverpool games to entitle that salary which he think is an insult to him.

There were no value stated so we know if he is being greedy or not.
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One of those Liverpool site/blogs wrote about it before (lfc n skrtel contract negotiations) it was tabled to him before the season ended. I think this impasse was overshadowed by sterlings contract dispute.

Believe me, it will not be the only problems we will face this summer. More to come.

That wrtten site (of the lfc n skrtel impasse) was in favour for Liverpoolfc, as they felt it will keep Liverpool lean and healthy. On the players side, perhaps not, making him to be more robotic and the need to be injury free. (though some suggested its only to senior non English players??)

I haven't read from all quarters to form an opinion on this.

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