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post Sep 30 2016, 10:42 AM

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QUOTE(McF7y @ Sep 30 2016, 10:16 AM)
Yea I'm a silent reader on there too. Nice that they have so many sub-forums discussing almost anything and everything about Juve.

Yes, we have conceded many goals through set-pieces so early in the league; it is a stark contrast to the entire of last season. I haven't watched enough of our games to pin-point why. As you know, I have trouble waking-up and staying awake for our super early-morning games (I think it's the age factor). I might miss our Empoli game as well - I have to fetch a friend from the airport; and it's SO early too! Almost like EPL early!

I did not see the Atletico-Bayern match but I do recall pundits saying we looked more Spanish while Atletico looked more Italian.

What's your opinion on that? I can understand that certain leagues tend to display a 'theme' in how they play; for example I think the majority of football fans still say that Serie A is 'too' tactical in its approach and that the EPL/La Liga is more exciting to watch. But with the Atletico/Juve comparison, I'm thinking that some teams are evolving and breaking from the traditional moulds.

Most Spanish teams still sticking to the free-flowing attacking, possession based football. The only exception are the current Atletico team
under Simeone, and Jose's Real Madrid..and to some extent Sevilla. They're flexible hence why they're successful mostly on continental stage. And in Italian section, Napoli & Roma looks nothing like an Italian traditional team. Both of them have pacy set of players and great attackers but both of em are above average in term of defensive strength. The evidence was that some years ago Napoli got trashed by Vikoria Plzen 5-0 on aggregate in UEL while Roma getting handed 7-1 for twice in UCL


Juve on the other hand, we're more flexible. We're not ultra attacking team(like Barcelona or BVB) but we're not
ultra defensive either(like Simeone's Atletico or Di Matteo's Chelsea).For example take a look at our 2 legged encounter
against Bayern last season. In the first half in Turin, we showed too much respect for Bayern and decided to soak up the
pressure instead of try to attacked em, which could've ended 3-0 for Bayern in the first half alone. Second half after Robben's goal, Juve
decided to wake up and attack Bayern then making the scoreline 2-2 and nearly 3-2 on the night.


For example when we were under Conte, I think we still displayed our defensive strength, not many teams were able to beat our record, but we really lacked creativity in our style. Conte's Juve churned out wins, almost like grinding it to the bone, sometimes it was hard to watch; I mentioned a few posts back that it really annoyed me that he would hardly ever make substitutions when he needed creativity or just some fresh legs (that's just my opinion though, maybe others saw it differently).

last time we looked like a "watertight Italian team" was back in Capello's era. Fielding 2 DMF in Vieira & Emerson
while centerback were covered by then-Worldclass Cannavaro & Lili Thuram. Hence why we only lost once in 2005/06 that was
to the prime AC Milan...but honestly speaking that Juve was a sight for sore eyes. Boring team to watch. And kinda
underperforming in European stage.


Conte's 2011/12 team on the other hand, the mixture of great possession attacking & defensive football. We ended
the season unbeaten and only conceding 18 goals. Reminiscences of Lippi's era Juve


Under Allegri though I noticed that we had variations in style of play; but somehow managed to maintain our reputation as Serie A's best defensive team. This time, I dunno, I think Allegri also knows we have conceded through set pieces and he is working on that. But it is also nice to see Juve playing a bit more creatively.

they need to appoint Stoke City's coach as set pieces defending coach though laugh.gif

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post Sep 30 2016, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(noir7559 @ Sep 30 2016, 10:42 AM)

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Dude,

Your memory really surpasses mine on seasons past.

I only remember fragments of seasons, not in detail like yours, I'm truly impressed. Good for you man!

Certain games however stand out, especially the Del Piero moments haha.

I agree with most of what you say, only thing I would add is that, for some reason, I still think that our most exciting football was during Lippi's first and second stint.

Allegri actually came close to it last season in my opinion, but that could also be due to the players he had at his disposal.

This season has been a bit of a mix bag really; I don't think we have performed consistently enough for me to judge. Also against Dinamo, our opponents barely put up a fight, so while 4-0 is a good win but I'm still not sure how we would compete against the top teams. Again, I have to bring up the Inter game as an example of how disorganised we can get :/
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QUOTE(McF7y @ Sep 30 2016, 04:24 PM)
Dude,

Your memory really surpasses mine on seasons past.

I only remember fragments of seasons, not in detail like yours, I'm truly impressed. Good for you man!

Certain games however stand out, especially the Del Piero moments haha.

I agree with most of what you say, only thing I would add is that, for some reason, I still think that our most exciting football was during Lippi's first and second stint.

Allegri actually came close to it last season in my opinion, but that could also be due to the players he had at his disposal.

This season has been a bit of a mix bag really; I don't think we have performed consistently enough for me to judge. Also against Dinamo, our opponents barely put up a fight, so while 4-0 is a good win but I'm still not sure how we would compete against the top teams. Again, I have to bring up the Inter game as an example of how disorganised we can get :/
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LOL. laugh.gif

the match against Inter = Allegri underestimate em, period. Why would he use Mandzukic and benching our 90m man for the derby against the arch rival

i think the team will get better as season went on. Dybala already broke his goal drought. Pjanic & Higuain seems to have a good link up play..yeah..we'll see
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early kickoff today

Empoli vs Juventus
6.30pm Malaysia time

looks like Max gonna use the same lineup from the one that beaten
Dinamo Zagreb.. Hopefully we get to see Pjaca getting more minutes
this time
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post Oct 2 2016, 06:33 PM

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What a rare opportunity to watch an early game.
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post Oct 2 2016, 06:40 PM

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!!!!!! so close!
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post Oct 2 2016, 07:06 PM

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Cuadradoooooo....whyyyyyyy
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QUOTE(McF7y @ Oct 2 2016, 07:06 PM)
Cuadradoooooo....whyyyyyyy
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Cuadrado alone having atleast 2 clear chances to score
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post Oct 2 2016, 07:18 PM

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QUOTE(noir7559 @ Oct 2 2016, 07:07 PM)
Cuadrado alone having atleast 2 clear chances to score
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No kidding!

I'm gonna have to follow the rest of the match through espnfcasia.com.

Off to the airport to fetch a friend.

Was really hoping to see a goal in the first half.
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Higuan missed one on one

Dybala to the rescueeeeee
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post Oct 2 2016, 07:54 PM

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Goalazzzzzoooooo Higuaaiiinnnn
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Goalaaazzoooo Goalazzzzoooo laugh.gif
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Pjaca was close to opening his scoring account there rclxms.gif
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Man, I saw the goal highlights.

Cannot imagine what it would've been like to see those goals LIVE!

Good win nonetheless.
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QUOTE(McF7y @ Oct 3 2016, 01:26 PM)
Man, I saw the goal highlights.

Cannot imagine what it would've been like to see those goals LIVE!

Good win nonetheless.
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yeap. I'm too getting frustrated when its 60+ minute mark and the scoreline still tied 0-0

Cuadrado alone wasting a handful of chances...and then...*bam* Dybala out of nowhere.

We only need -10 minutes to turn the tie or some commentator said, "the floodgates open" with Dybala strike

and now, when thing getting heaten up..here comes the boring International Break yawn.gif
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QUOTE(noir7559 @ Oct 4 2016, 09:14 AM)
yeap. I'm too getting frustrated when its 60+ minute mark and the scoreline still tied 0-0

Cuadrado alone wasting a handful of chances...and then...*bam* Dybala out of nowhere.

We only need -10 minutes to turn the tie or some commentator said, "the floodgates open" with Dybala strike

and now, when thing getting heaten up..here comes the boring International Break  yawn.gif
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Watching the azzurri vs spain tonight?

Should be a good one since its a qualifier hehe.


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QUOTE(McF7y @ Oct 6 2016, 08:41 PM)
Watching the azzurri vs spain tonight?

Should be a good one since its a qualifier hehe.
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zzzzz Italy could've been down 4-0 by halftime. Poor performance. And then Gigi with that blunder lol

a point against Spain is always valuable though
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QUOTE(noir7559 @ Oct 7 2016, 10:38 PM)
zzzzz Italy could've been down 4-0 by halftime. Poor performance. And then Gigi with that blunder lol

a point against Spain is always valuable though
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I missed it as usual.

But must've been bad if they could've been 4-0 down at half-time.
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hate the international break. looking forward to the weekend when the football resume smile.gif
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QUOTE(McF7y @ Oct 9 2016, 10:32 AM)
I missed it as usual.

But must've been bad if they could've been 4-0 down at half-time.
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yeap. Very poor showing for the team playing at home. But after Buffon blunder the team playing better
and could've snatched the winning goal near the end of the match

and yes, i missed seeing Juve in action biggrin.gif

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