It will be smaller soon...

That depends, i have that thought yet i still own a rMBP 13", iPhone 6s and an iPad mini. Mind you i'm not an Apple fan, i'm more of a tech/gadget fan who also used to own Android and Windows stuff. I'm not like those crazy freaks who goes crazy and idiotic when someone criticise Apple or Android, i'm a realist who rationalises everything.

looking forward for retina macbook 2.

So sorry to say, I couldn't notice that.
As what I've mentioned before, the 12 inch Macbook's main feature is its portability with retaining most of the features of a notebook.
Obviously, it is not relevant to you.

It is normal that most bolehland ppl when come to buy things regardless of what they only consider price over anything and quality etc is totally not consideration factor. The cheapest one will always be picked for them. The bigger the more the cheaper the better.

Since price is the only consideration factor, actually comparing spec etc to them have no meaning as it is just an excuse to justify for the reason of the choice due to price. Since price is the only deciding factor, there is not even choice to make as budget has already decided for the choice.

This post has been edited by westlife: Nov 18 2015, 12:05 AM

lol i think most are willing to spend if they want it badly. My earphones cost more than RM10k, would you spend that much on just an earphone when you can get a free one which comes with your phone? or for less than RM100 which performs the same function? If comparing specs has no meaning then Apple could easily sell a rMB with a 1st gen iPad hardware inside it to their isheeps lol. Comparing specs is what drives up the competition for a better product, i'd be afraid to think how technology would progress if people think specs have no meaning.

I love portability, but not at the expense of performance. I'm sure the rMB will perform daily tasks fine, e.g. surfing net, streaming videos, word/excel. But so does my iPad. I don't expect it to be as powerful as a rMBP, but i'd jump on the rMB if it's performance gets closer to the MBA.

This post has been edited by Lego Warfare: Nov 18 2015, 09:41 AM

If you have ever notice the evolution of iPad carefully, you will notice iPad has changed in terms of performance speed, thinness, weight, and battery life. These are important and significant changes that attract people to buy newer iPad. It is not fair to compare the current technology and the one 5 years ago.
Based on your thought, we should rather compare the current iPad with other brands of tablets. The latter is cheaper, 2-3GB ram, with usb support and logical drive support. But why do people still choose iPad? Do they buy iPad because of the branding and aesthetic? The answer is obviously no, if anyone had tried android or Windows tablets before.

Back to MacBook, 12 inch MacBook is 921g; 13 inch MBA is 1.35kg. The difference of 429g makes significant difference to a person who have to walk here and there everyday, especially towards evening. What iPad could not do compared to the new MacBook is accessing usb drives, e.g. thumb drives. If you have ever used an iPad to draft a letter or to prepare for slides for presentation, you will definitely know how limited you could do using iPad. iPad just can't really replace notebook completely.
Just like what my thought before, if you would to compare, compare it with the same/similar line of products. Don't compare apples with oranges. They aren't the same. I wouldn't compare iPhone to iPad.

I don't deny that MacBook still has rooms of improvement, but to me, the price of this MacBook is still decent.

apple products are meant to be premium in the first place. many loves apple products, but are not willing to spend for it.

built quality are way different across different brand, different products too.
a MBP can easily last more than 5 yrs are even longer, same for an iPhone. unlike any other brand's products that are cheaper in price even the spec are better or similar.

it is the same that one is willing to spend only less than hundreds to buy a less branded wallet vs one is willing to spends more than hundreds or even thousands on branded wallet such as LV, Chanel etc that can last more longer given the fact that both are wallet. By spec they may look similar, leather wallet, but quality is totally different thus the different products are ranked at different levels.

Buy cheap and buy twice. Simple theory explains that. One can pay cheaper to buy other brand with similar spec that does not last long vs one pay slightly more to get a better stuff at the start that lengthen the next purchase..
Same goes to people who are more willing to buy a Toyota D segment car vs a Mercedes B or C segment even the price are the same as the former showed more spec, more space, looks more bigger that satisfy their expectation that they spend more they want to see a bigger thing/more things. But they do not look into the level/quality difference among them. This is the perception of value for a person even one claims that it is not.

rMB 256GB 8GB vs rMBP 128GB 8GB priced the same, but they are totally different category of things. rMB is premium/light weight/gorgeous product while rMBP is heavier, all-rounded in terms of performance etc ultrabook. It is hard to just compare the spec and say that the lower performance machine should price lower. One needs to consider in the factor that to redesign, engineer such small form factor machine plus the unique techs that come with it for its value too. form factor, foot print, size, weight etc are also "spec" for a computer. It seems that most will only compare CPU, ram, etc those directly relevant to performance as only spec. Most importantly, based on many many reviews on the youtube, 12-inch MacBook is not really under-performed and it is still a capable machine for most tasks even using photoshop for editing etc.

same goes to last time nokia 3210, 3310 vs 8210, 8250. both are similar in spec, can perform similar things, why the small form factor one is priced much higher than the rest. it showed that small form factor itself has significant in value than the rest.

Even for iPhone, Samsung Galaxy etc higher end phone, small size, light weight, small foot print those are also specs that cost and have their value.

This post has been edited by westlife: Nov 18 2015, 12:57 PM

Thinking to get this macbook to replace my mba2012 11"

When the next version will be announced? April 2016?

Pondering pondering

Hey I am still interested to buy this.. But provided with the previous experience with macbook air 2013, there's a bit of demotivation to buy this...

My argument was based on him saying comparing specs have no meaning, hence me giving an example of having a 1st gen iPad hardware inside the rMB. I'm not daft enough to compare old model specs to newer. I have used an iPad to edit/write a thesis for someone before, and it's not that limited as most important functions/features are available now. It's only tiresome to type on an iPad but that is easily rectified with a Bluetooth keyboard casing. Yes, It adds a bit of thickness but not much.
The MacBook is very simplistic, I know the targeted audience for it. And I'd love to have that portability to bring along as I go overseas often and it'll be convenient to edit photos on the go, but it's still too limited with only 1 port and a mobile processor. Like you said, there are rooms for improvements and I'm sure the 2nd gen will be a lot more enticing. But for their current gen I'll give a pass and look forward for next years new iteration.

You make it sound like Apple is infallible, but they do have their fair share of poor quality/flaws. E.g. Easily spoilt home buttons in the iPhone 4 generation, their blocked cellular reception, their staingate with rMBP screens, bendgates with iPhone 6, etc.
Not saying other brands have better quality, but Apple is not all that either. But what they do have is great customer support for their products.

Aesthetic wise no doubt they are premium, as well as their branding. Hence why I've already mentioned their high price in the rMB is mainly due to their aesthetics and branding.
Heck the rMBP last year is still considered a good value even considering Apples premium pricing at around RM3.8k.

What's wrong with the MBA?

The current one have problem to sync with my iphone. Been using for almost 2 years but the more I explore, the more I keep frustrated...

you are twisting my words

"Since price is the only consideration factor, actually comparing spec etc to them have no meaning as it is just an excuse to justify for the reason of the choice due to price. Since price is the only deciding factor, there is not even choice to make as budget has already decided for the choice."

I am referring to people who have the price as only consideration factor, thus whether to compare spec has not meaning. It is the same as one can only afford to buy Vios (cheaper) due to budget, but again they claimed that they dun like 1 series (more expensive) due to same spec of things BMW is more expensive even they like BMW more. If budget is the restriction on the choice, no matter how to compare or not also same. If budget is not an concern, it is totally different stories.

I did not say that apple product is perfect. Even LV, Chanel those high end branded goods are the same too.
Good and bad mentioned here is totally a relative comparison. It is not a matter if apple products have flaws or not, but it is about when comparing to others, which is is relatively better.

Apple is known to be better in quality and customer service. I dun think anyone can doubt that.
If apple is not relative better, then you ask yourself why you are choosing apple products now still while you feel that others are more value buy than Apple?

In the first place, i said apple retina macbook 12-inch is not really expensive comparing its spec which I have already considered in all the premium build, form factor, foot print, size, weight everything into it and not purely just comparing hardware spec like CPU, RAM etc as comparing to 13-inch MBP with retina display.

In addition, Apple had done enough marketing research to know if this newly redesigned MacBook has its market or not which they are targeting at different groups in the first place. Today the macbook has better form factor but weaker a bit in spec comparing to 13-inch rMBP thus they priced the same. If the 12-inch macbook has the current form factor and again same power as 13-inch rMBP, i dun see a reason why Apple would be silly to place the same price tag for both 12-inch rMB or 13-inch rMBP? If it is the case, not only MacBook Air but even the rMBP has lose it competitive market value being a product in apple MacBook line in the first place. In fact, there are indeed people who are willing to sacrifice power for the trade of portability thus they picked the rMB and to them it is worth the money. Same goes to those who had chosen 13-inch rMBP due to power as they are willing to scarifies the ultra portability for the trade of power and they will feel that it is worth the money for it too. Same goes to you that who have picked 13-inch rMBP over this in the first place. Same goes to people who pick 15-inch over 13-inch as power are their main concern so they can scarifies portability. No matter which case, it is again the choice of individual which depends on which concerns them more.

Apple or even any manufacturer won't be silly to come out a perfect product and only sell one product that has the best of everything at cheap price either. Even price is cheap the quality or customer service etc could be the trade off. Apple has a wide range of products to allow customers to choose from depending on their primary concern which this is totally normal. Same goes to people who prefers to choose other brand instead of apple as they prefer to trade some of the concerns for their money too. It is just a choice for one.

You try to emphasize that you are not judging based on your personal perceived value of the rMB but instead it is. While many of us have agreed that rMB has its value even the price while you are actually expecting the same price for buying a 13-inch rMBP to for you to own a powerful rMB as 13-inch MBP and again portable like rMB.

This post has been edited by westlife: Nov 18 2015, 05:14 PM

First of all, rMB is not weaker "a bit" in spec compared to 13" rMBP. It is MUCH weaker, there is a big difference in having a mobile M processor. Like i said, i already know the targeted audience which is for daily general light usage - hence the M processor for keeping the MB light with low power consumption. And don't kid yourself, i went back to Apple because i was bored with Android and Window's OS & UI, not because i was blinded like a sheep. I might do the same the other way round again in a few years, who knows.

And don't be silly, i never once said or expected the rMB to be as powerful or nearly as powerful as the rMBP, i said i'm waiting for their next gen to perform closer to the MBA.

Do you know the meaning of personal perceived value? My valuation was based on the cost of hardware parts + R&D, there is nothing perceivable about that. That is a factual value. Perceived value would be what YOU are valuing = aesthetics, branding, smaller footprint/size.
And i beg to differ, there are more who disagrees on the rMB value, only most Apple fans will agree with that.

Anyway lets end this pointless argument, this isn't going anywhere either way...

This post has been edited by Lego Warfare: Nov 18 2015, 06:51 PM

Wow. Such excitement from a little computer. Tis a tool. Nothing more. Fits the requirements of some but certainly not all. Meets the price/expectation of a few. And if it does, that's terrific. Completely unnecessary to rubbish their opinion.

my own experience in buying MBA mid-2013.

comparing same spec with other ultrabook,i.e. same SSD size, RAM, etc., I can conclude that MBA price is same with others. I dont care about processor speed, since I dont need much of it.

Ultimate factor for me was the battery life.

This post has been edited by butetzzz: Nov 19 2015, 10:47 AM

Lol what happened. Just purchase if like, else just avoid .

Same . Battery life and the portability is my main priority. Tats y get a mba. The trackpad and speaker is somuch superior over same rangle ultrabooks.

it sound like going to cost me alot. lol