there is a blue 'V' on the package for new 850 evo. old one has v-nand label in orange.

i think by now chances are you will get new 850 evo in any shop here instead of the old ones.

you can try ask ronaldjoe, https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4172951

i think c-zone at lyp has 960 evo too but not sure if there is a 250gb.

in benchmark, v2 seems to be slightly better than v1 in performance (v2 has relatively better power efficiency). there is no obvious performance difference in real world use.

yeah that's why we always suggest clean installs.

of course for the impatient they can still go for cloning, and in most cases they will work fine. just bear in mind there might be some potential performance impacts in the long run.

only 500gb? that's specific. maybe there is no 250gb in malaysia, yet.

maybe you need to wait for a bit, or get it from outside malaysia.

with the price of nand flash going up (due to shortage), well, it will take a while.

http://www.zdnet.com/article/nand-flash-sh...rive-shipments/

like g104 pointed out, it's not just mere benchmark scores. there is a noticeable performance gap between the two. i compare 850 evo with my old sm951 based on my usage (which involves building and running multiple virtual machines frequently).

however, do you really need to have 960 evo? it really depends on your usage and budget, e.g. you want to use a 250gb drive solely for os and common software that can fit in it; then 960 evo is ok. on the other hand, sata-based 850 evo is usually sufficient to drive most daily personal computing, e.g. common usage. in such cases it's better to get larger capacity 850 evo instead with similar amount of money. (more space for you to play with)

it's not a good time to get stuff these days. everything has gone crazy in terms of pricing lol

in general, go for well-known brands in the market. (e.g. intel, samsung, crucial, kingston, sandisk) the general rule always applies: you get what you pay for.

to share some experience about my previous purchase; all were bought last year, and used for office work with occasional non-heavy file transfers only: out of 6 transcend s370 that i have (4x sata; 2x msata), one of them failed with initial symptoms of a dying hard drive. (e.g. experienced sudden slow speed for reads / writes; it is detected properly in bios; but i couldn't access it with various tools including diskpart) in the same batch i also have kingston savage (sata, 2x), kingston msata ssd (m.2 sata; forgot models; 2x) and samsung 850 evo (m.2 sata, more than 10). none of them have issues so far.

maybe it's just luck. to prevent downtime i have ordered few units as buffers in case of emergencies.

edit: the recent price hike for these drives are ridiculous. unless you really need it, it's better to look around first for better deals.

i have a lot of consumer ssds. (like crucial m500. they are damn old now. still, they are fine since i bought them; i'm not comparing it with high-performance ones, like 840/850 pro or intel s3700) this is the first ssd that failed on me for a time period of slightly over a year.

i don't think it's about tlc vs. mlc either. my samsung 840 evo's are still working fine in my xps.

This post has been edited by horns: Apr 7 2017, 03:16 AM

yeah; ssd price is surely getting bumped again in near future, according to reports found online, and a visit to lyp recently. few days ago i visited a well-known shop at lyp, the shop keeper even bumped the price on the spot (telling me the latest price list for that ssd was, somehow, the 'old' price) come on, like i don't have choices :/

at least i don't feel any differences between the two. however i suggest going for 850 pro for its 10-year warranty. as for the recovery part, i'm not sure because both my 840/850 pro haven't failed yet. (still the better way to prevent such things is doing regular backups; the oldest but still the most efficient way to get back up from data loss)

yeah; it's kinda sad. to me that increase was not reasonable because i could get a ssd with double capacity for the same price already.

eventually i just went to another shop and got what i needed with the same 'old' price. before making payment i asked them to double confirm if the offered price was right, just in case if there was really a price hike, and they were not aware of it, they might end up losing money. it turned out the price was correct after all.

seriously, as business operators, there is no need to cheat. we are consumers. that doesn't mean we are dumb.

er no i thought the price are ok hehe

i have no idea on how they will fulfill that part too; but i think they will stand by the stuff they sell. about where to send to, it's better to ask sellers. they should know. yeah pro uses mlc.

for file syncing tools i use freefilesync and cryptsync (useful if you use cloud storage; it's not that i don't trust them; just a precautionary step if these storage are compromised). i suggest you try out others also.

if you experienced frequent power trips, laptops are better (built-in battery). if you used a desktop computer, connecting it to a ups is always a good choice. ups is for protection beyond data loss; it helps minimizing risks of other (expensive) components in your computer too.

afaik samsung consumer ssds do not have power loss protection. some of their enterprise ssds do have that (in fact, only few brands have this feature for consumer drives. however to be safe get a ups instead)

howtogeek should be one of the tech websites that give sound advice. use the selector from apc to find out more (select Malaysia as country).

yeah sometimes i just wonder why people can invest a lot in things and stuff them into the cpu, but they don't get at least an affordable ups for additional protections.

human minds are really something.

check lelong also

yeah battery is consumable, but it's replaceable. it's the same as laptop battery. (you don't need to replace it every year) the more important point is still protect more expensive hardware components, and data in a system.

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after using 960 evo/nvme for a while, yeah on paper it's like day and night by comparing r/w speeds in benchmark.



in real world use, no noticeable difference (compared to my sm951/ahci). it's worst if you're using it for normal use. getting much cheaper and large sata ssd is a better option.

This post has been edited by horns: Apr 23 2017, 09:01 PM

no difference. literally lol; it's the same as what this video showed, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIXSSOzyLbs

yeah most people consider it as optional (say, you have all the valid points to make it an optional purchase )

the original post was about options for built-in power loss protection in ssd. a more practical option imo is just get a ups, instead of limiting choices for ssd.

maybe your psu has this, so you're good to go. (mine doesn't have it; i tested it already hehe)

psu is always one of the more critical components in a computer. don't ever cut down budget for this one also.

yeah some places in malaysia are really bad in terms of power supply. it's better to use laptops with battery in those places if you're working.

yes, most of us still store game files in hdd, so the game devs need to make sure it's still ok to run on hdd for maximum compatibility.

for additional sata ports, you can still add more with pcie-based sata port adaptor. you should be good still.

tbh if it wasn't for work, i will not get pcie nvme ssd (it's more suitable for productivity work purposes, like building vms, video editing, etc.). for personal use, a decent mainstream and large capacity sata ssd is really good enough for me.

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i just noticed this after using ram cache (primocache); it's not recognized by samsung magician anymore lol



This post has been edited by horns: Apr 23 2017, 10:55 PM

i suggest checking this out, https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4016992

samsung sm871, oem (vnand mlc; 300+ only for 256gb; it's an oem version of 850 pro). if you're worry about warranty then this option might not be for you. but from my personal experience about samsung oem sata/pcie drives, they are good. (sm843 in my main rig is actually an enterprise oem drive; write endurance 1pb tbw; yeah old, but rock solid performance)

btw, there are a lot of good stuff @ our garage sales.

i refer to this one for workload comparisons, http://www.anandtech.com/show/10850/the-in...0p-512gb-review

it's ok if you're using for normal use with light workloads. but then sata-based options should be better (also cheaper, so you get more space to use); and what's the point of getting it if you wanna go for nvme route, which is more expensive?

edit: like i said before, most people can only harvest benefits from nvme drives if they're using it for intensive work purposes. for normal use, you get nothing significant (maybe slightly shorter boot time and app load time) it's like those high clock-speed ram; the clock speed is very high, but performance is lppl compared to those with the right clock speeds; better stick to sata-based to get better values for money. (and get maybe 1tb of the samsung oem ssds i suggested above; super worth it imo)

of course, if you don't mind spending some extras, yes you can get pcie nvme ssds also hehe


This post has been edited by horns: Apr 24 2017, 04:43 PM

imo the same price means a lot of things. look closer for more details to determine which one is worthier for your money.

i really suggest you check the link that i shared and pay attention to all charts. you will know why i kept suggesting sata-based options are not necessarily a bad idea if it's intel 600p.

another option is to save it up and wait for better pcie nvme choices.

the information is really scarce. not sure about the price also, but for now it's really the better deal than what's offered in retail in terms of price. (mlc nand somemore)

about the price point, exactly.