Yo Catholic brothers and sisters, today is the beginning of the nine-day novena (up till his feast day on March 18) to Saint Joseph, Patron of the Universal Church, and Protector of the Holy Family.




Novena to
St. Joseph

*NOVENA PRAYER
*(prayer to be said at the end of each day's devotion)

Saint Joseph, I, your unworthy child, greet you. You are the faithful protector and intercessor of all who love and venerate you. You know that I have special confidence in you and that, after Jesus and Mary, I place all my hope of salvation in you, for you are especially powerful with God and will never abandon your faithful servants. Therefore I humbly invoke you and commend myself, with all who are dear to me and all that belong to me, to your intercession. I beg of you, by your love for Jesus and Mary, not to abandon me during life and to assist me at the hour of my death.

Glorious Saint Joseph, spouse of the Immaculate Virgin, obtain for me a pure, humble, charitable mind, and perfect resignation to the divine Will. Be my guide, my father, and my model through life that I may merit to die as you did in the arms of Jesus and Mary.

Loving Saint Joseph, faithful follower of Jesus Christ, I raise my heart to you to implore your powerful intercession in obtaining from the Divine Heart of Jesus all the graces necessary for my spiritual and temporal welfare, particularly the grace of a happy death, and the special grace I now implore:

(Mention your request).

Guardian of the Word Incarnate, I feel confident that your prayers in my behalf will be graciously heard before the throne of God. Amen.

MEMORARE
Remember, most pure spouse of Mary, ever Virgin, my loving protector, Saint Joseph, that no one ever had recourse to your protection or asked for your aid without obtaining relief. Confiding, therefore, in your goodness, I come before you and humbly implore you. Despise not my petitions, foster-father of the Redeemer, but graciously receive them. Amen.

Source: EWTN

This post has been edited by yeeck: Mar 10 2015, 12:57 PM

Just trust. If we have to consider "principles mentioned earlier".... then it's difficult to trust isn't it ?
Who are we to examine pope ?

God gave you a mind to think reasonably too..lol.

Let me give an analogy. If a politician tells you to that he intends to table a motion for a particular law in Parliament, certainly he also has to present facts and figures in order to get support.

Same goes for your question since the issue at hand is not related to Faith or morals, but to prudential judgement which needs to be determined based on the principles mentioned before. Back to your supposed scenario, if the principles of just war, self-defense etc are fulfilled, then I don't see any reason not to agree. But if I see those principles are not fulfilled, then yes, a Catholic may disagree and still remain a faithful Catholic.

A recent case was the invasion of Iraq by the US forces to overthrow Saddam Hussein. President Bush claimed it was due to chemical/nuclear weapons etc, but then Pope John Paul II was very much against the invasion because the principles of just war is just not there. There was no evidence of chemical/nuclear weapons in the aftermath of the invasion and the situation of Iraq just proved that the Pope was right.

On the other hand, those who claimed the invasion was justified because of Saddam's 'potential' of having chemical/nuclear weapons cannot be defended because that would be falling into the sin of presumption.

Hope this helps.

This post has been edited by yeeck: Mar 10 2015, 02:43 PM

dude... do you know in a simple political arena... we just let the people know what they need to know... that's the 1st point.

2nd point: nobody knows the whole truth except GOD himself. I bet... not all truth is published in google.

3rd point: How do you know that Amazon.com will not reveal another truth tomorrow ? in essence, only GOD possess tomorrow and knows what will happen tomorrow... divine being maaa

Therefore i choose to humble, if pope claims himself he got instruction from HS ... then i just obey.

For your 1st point, you assume that there would be no questions?

2nd point: Yes, but God can choose to reveal the truth to whomever He wants and in the manner that He has said. No contradictions there.

I don't understand your 3rd point and how it relates to Amazon.com. I agree that only God knows what will happen tomorrow. But I don't see what you are trying to drive at with what we are talking about.

Humility vs. willful ignorance vs. stupidity are vastly different things, you know?

This post has been edited by yeeck: Mar 10 2015, 03:17 PM

point no 3 is something relates to future, but irrational for today. But if you don't do it today, then the utopia future will not happen.

This is where all smart people fails to see, because for "smart people": today is irrational therefore future is out of question.

I have been revealed that trust to GOD does look stupid for "smart people".

"You have been revealed"? What is that supposed to mean? Are you claiming to be a prophet? Also..it seems you are equating humble people with stupid people. Sheesh.

This post has been edited by yeeck: Mar 10 2015, 04:03 PM

errr ... bro Yeeck, perhaps he means 'It has been revealed ...', might be a typo?

This post has been edited by khool: Mar 10 2015, 04:22 PM

oh sorry... i have been revealed meaning i just learned recently. nothing more.

claiming to be prophet... definitely no.

equating humble people with stupid people... no... actually the other thinking , which is equating "smart people" with stupid people. how come ? because the one that obey GOD (in this context, by listening to pope messages to declare war)... looks stupid but actually these stupid people are the smart people.

so i don't equate humble people with stupid people... btw do you mind point out which post i equate humble people with stupid people ? perhaps i overlook something. i will apology if i equate humble people with stupid people.

This post has been edited by de1929: Mar 10 2015, 04:47 PM

Alright, how can you be sure that GOD revealed it to so and so? It will be the same question I ask every Protestant regarding the founding of their various churches/denominations/sects.

Every Christian ought not to be simply taken for a ride.

"Dearly beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits if they be of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world." 1 John 4:1

"Who said: Take heed you be not seduced; for many will come in my name, saying, I am he; and the time is at hand: go ye not therefore after them. " Luke 21:8

"Behold I send you as sheep in the midst of wolves. Be ye therefore wise as serpents and simple as doves." Matthew 10:16

This post has been edited by yeeck: Mar 10 2015, 05:14 PM

Well, Protestant does have problems cuz they don't have pope right ? so the term papal infallibility does not apply to them.

what i think, you can count your blessing as chatolic believes that pope can hear to HS. Therefore chatolic can spend time to do other things instead of trying to listen to HS. Outsourcing maaa

Do you know how many problems non catholic have because they don't have pope ? therefore because they cannot listen to HS like pope, they have to come out with sooooooooooooooooooooo many rules / ethics code to justify all their action. Pitty isn't it ?

LOL...we Catholics don't make the claim that the Holy Spirit only speaks exclusively to the Pope. Again, I hope you get my points above. Test every claim, test every spirit.

oh i see... i was under impression only Pope can hear from HS. Apparently i was wrong.

Test the spirit ? LOL ... ... only GOD can test the spirit on your behalf. The idea is, humans never be the expert of the spirit, therefore you need another spirit to test another spirit. And only HS is available to test the spirit.

Looks like you don't even believe the Bible:

"Dearly beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits if they be of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world." 1 John 4:1

De1929 used to provide us with mindless entertainment in LYN Christian Fellowship on a regular basis.

Even willing to kill another person IF God told him so.

Looks like he's going to provide you guys with a dose of brain numbing entertainment.

Yes, I'm just curious which church he/she belongs to.

We don't take him serious anymore since he has a screw loose somewhere.

Roman Catholic. Keyword is "Roman". They're into statues & shit before Christianity took over. If you look at the other side of the schism, Greek Orthodox frown upon statues & images.

Also, Jesus turned water into wine. What more can I ask for?

The Greek Orthodox still have images (icons) but not so much into statues. The reason being that the East was afflicted by the heresy of iconoclasm.

Statues were in existence even before the imperial capital moved from Rome to Constantinople.

One early example from the Roman catacombs where early Christians used to hide and pray and bury their dead:



And another statue, dated back to the Byzantine Empire (before the fall of the city):



This post has been edited by yeeck: Mar 11 2015, 12:13 AM

And in other thread you say "But let God be the judge. Not us."... but here you say "provide you guys with a dose of brain numbing entertainment"... You are a very gud judge indeed

This post has been edited by de1929: Mar 11 2015, 03:48 PM