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de1929
post Mar 11 2015, 08:28 AM

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QUOTE(yeeck @ Mar 10 2015, 10:35 PM)
Looks like you don't even believe the Bible:

"Dearly beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits if they be of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world." 1 John 4:1
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Test the spirit is correct. But how ? by reading the bible ? or by asking another spirit.

let's assume this: we are both not a car expert nor car mechanics. How we gonna test a work from another mechanics ? by asking another QC from another mechanics or governing bodies or something else right ?

Human lives max 120 years... how many years has spirit live ? 1000000 years may i assume ? who can comprehends spirit knowledge ? our bachelor degree ? our googling ?

Yes it's true that 1 John 4:1 say like that, but Proverbs 3:5 also say: Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding;

That summarizes, whatever human do to test the spirit will never be good enough, therefore don't do "human way aka reasearch / study", but Trust in the LORD.

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QUOTE(de1929 @ Mar 11 2015, 08:28 AM)
Test the spirit is correct. But how ? by reading the bible ? or by asking another spirit.

let's assume this: we are both not a car expert nor car mechanics. How we gonna test a work from another mechanics ? by asking another QC from another mechanics or governing bodies or something else right ?

Human lives max 120 years... how many years has spirit live ? 1000000 years may i assume ? who can comprehends spirit knowledge ? our bachelor degree ? our googling ?

Yes it's true that 1 John 4:1 say like that, but Proverbs 3:5 also say: Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding;

That summarizes, whatever human do to test the spirit will never be good enough, therefore don't do "human way aka reasearch / study", but Trust in the LORD.
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How do you know it's the Lord?
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post Mar 11 2015, 12:55 PM

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QUOTE(yeeck @ Mar 11 2015, 12:22 PM)
How do you know it's the Lord?
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if you ask as a scholar, asking empirical evidence. i don't know.

But there is another approach. By faith.

Hebrew 11:6 -- And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.

and for chatholic: You have pope biggrin.gif...

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back to our other topic : Do i believe in bible ?
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I believe in bible 100%.

Now becareful, bible does not give you direct answer, nor yes no nor summary about testing every kind of evil spirit. It just give you 1 solution. Ask GOD.

One 1 side / or 1 point of view: evil spirit has "expertise" and different spirit has different expertise.
there is one good at sexual temptation,
there is one good at corruption,
there is one good at doing divisive works,
there is one doing bad mouthing,
there is one doing bad habits,
there is one doing killing,
etc...
And because these spirit lives at least... 10000 years... they are very good at doing their expertise biggrin.gif ... no phd able to comprehend their expertise right ?

I hope this explain why i say test the spirit by Asking GOD himself. Because we are very limited in everything. Being positive is another things, but realize 1 thing also another thing.

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post Mar 11 2015, 02:04 PM

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Anyone fasting during this Season of Lent? How do you feel after the day of fasting is done? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(khool @ Mar 11 2015, 02:04 PM)
Anyone fasting during this Season of Lent? How do you feel after the day of fasting is done? biggrin.gif
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The rule for fasting in the Latin Rite is quite easy actually...lol. 1 main meal with 2 smaller meals not equivalent to that 1 main meal. Can drink anytime, but no snacking. Of course one can always do more.

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QUOTE(de1929 @ Mar 11 2015, 12:55 PM)
if you ask as a scholar, asking empirical evidence. i don't know.

But there is another approach. By faith.

Hebrew 11:6 -- And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.

and for chatholic: You have pope biggrin.gif...

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back to our other topic : Do i believe in bible ?
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I believe in bible 100%.

Now becareful, bible does not give you direct answer, nor yes no nor summary about testing every kind of evil spirit. It just give you 1 solution. Ask GOD.

One 1 side / or 1 point of view: evil spirit has "expertise" and different spirit has different expertise.
there is one good at sexual temptation,
there is one good at corruption,
there is one good at doing divisive works,
there is one doing bad mouthing,
there is one doing bad habits,
there is one doing killing,
etc...
And because these spirit lives at least... 10000 years... they are very good at doing their expertise biggrin.gif ... no phd able to comprehend their expertise right ?

I hope this explain why i say test the spirit by Asking GOD himself. Because we are very limited in everything. Being positive is another things, but realize 1 thing also another thing.

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Actually I find it hard to understand what you are trying to say, really. And for Catholics, we don't just have the Pope to rely on, but also Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition. All these are encapsulated in catechisms, lives of the saints, the Sacred Liturgy (Holy Mass and the sacraments), etc...basically what I call the Catholic ethos.
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post Mar 11 2015, 03:40 PM

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QUOTE(yeeck @ Mar 11 2015, 03:14 PM)
The rule for fasting in the Latin Rite is quite easy actually...lol. 1 main meal with 2 smaller meals not equivalent to that 1 main meal. Can drink anytime, but no snacking. Of course one can always do more.
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Yesss ... I try to do more usually, then go for penintential service *CONFESSION!!!!* ... waahahahahahahahaa!!!!
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QUOTE(yeeck @ Mar 11 2015, 03:32 PM)
Actually I find it hard to understand what you are trying to say, really. And for Catholics, we don't just have the Pope to rely on, but also Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition. All these are encapsulated in catechisms, lives of the saints, the Sacred Liturgy (Holy Mass and the sacraments), etc...basically what I call the Catholic ethos.
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Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition AND Magisterial Teachings ... all of which the Pope still has to adhere to. Pope is not allowed to change any of the three, no authority.

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post Mar 11 2015, 03:44 PM

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QUOTE(yeeck @ Mar 11 2015, 03:32 PM)
Actually I find it hard to understand what you are trying to say, really. And for Catholics, we don't just have the Pope to rely on, but also Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition. All these are encapsulated in catechisms, lives of the saints, the Sacred Liturgy (Holy Mass and the sacraments), etc...basically what I call the Catholic ethos.
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i am improving my ears, to hear GOD... and i don't mind learning from Catholic teachers like you.

But if you tell me to read bible to hear GOD then i am sorry, that one i can google easily. no need teachers.


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QUOTE(khool @ Mar 11 2015, 03:41 PM)
Sacred Scripture, Sacred Tradition AND Magisterial Teachings ... all of which the Pope still has to adhere to. Pope is not allowed to change any of the three, no authority.
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including you (continuing from my previous reply) biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(de1929 @ Mar 11 2015, 03:44 PM)
i am improving my ears, to hear GOD... and i don't mind learning from Catholic teachers like you.

But if you tell me to read bible to hear GOD then i am sorry, that one i can google easily. no need teachers.
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No, Catholics don't believe in "Scripture alone".
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post Mar 11 2015, 03:53 PM

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Jared Leto - FL: Church of the Assumption, PJ. Serving as a musician for every Sunday mass.

I'm a convert and grown up from this church but I have not baptised yet. Still seeking more Knowledge on Christianity before baptism.
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QUOTE(Jared Leto @ Mar 11 2015, 03:53 PM)
Jared Leto - FL: Church of the Assumption, PJ. Serving as a musician for every Sunday mass.

I'm a convert and grown up from this church but I have not baptised yet. Still seeking more Knowledge on Christianity before baptism.
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Welcome. Are you in the RCIA programme or seeking instructions? Perhaps share with us what made you interested with Catholicism and background. I always love convert stories.

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post Mar 11 2015, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(yeeck @ Mar 11 2015, 03:50 PM)
No, Catholics don't believe in "Scripture alone".
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Sola Sciptura ... a very limited view ...

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post Mar 11 2015, 04:09 PM

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QUOTE(yeeck @ Mar 11 2015, 03:50 PM)
No, Catholics don't believe in "Scripture alone".
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QUOTE(khool @ Mar 11 2015, 04:05 PM)
Sola Sciptura ... a very limited view ...
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scripture means bible ? or something else ? also i heard there are apocrypha something like that...
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QUOTE(de1929 @ Mar 11 2015, 04:09 PM)
scripture means bible ? or something else ? also i heard there are apocrypha something like that...
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Okayy.....so you are not Christian..hmmm.
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post Mar 11 2015, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(yeeck @ Mar 11 2015, 04:11 PM)
Okayy.....so you are not Christian..hmmm.
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christian lahh... but still learning to listen to GOD...
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QUOTE(de1929 @ Mar 11 2015, 04:56 PM)
christian lahh... but still learning to listen to GOD...
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Which church, if I may ask?
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post Mar 11 2015, 05:08 PM

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QUOTE(yeeck @ Mar 11 2015, 05:01 PM)
Which church, if I may ask?
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I have my own forum:
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3484794

My message is clear, malaysia for JESUS: be it from catholic or something else. So my church ? i don't mind bringing ppl to catholic curch, if the person can "click" in catholic church....

not rules, but "click"... ah i don't know how to translate "click" actually... perhaps you can put in better english.
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QUOTE(de1929 @ Mar 11 2015, 05:08 PM)
I have my own forum:
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3484794

My message is clear, malaysia for JESUS: be it from catholic or something else. So my church ? i don't mind bringing ppl to catholic curch, if the person can "click" in catholic church....

not rules, but "click"... ah i don't know how to translate "click" actually... perhaps you can put in better english.
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I still find it hard to understand you. LOL.

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