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post Feb 10 2015, 11:16 PM

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QUOTE(mytaffeta @ Feb 10 2015, 11:10 PM)
not sure why autofreaks.com is in my company block page list.. inappropriate contents? haha
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maybe this is why

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already re-submitted the categorization
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post Feb 10 2015, 11:20 PM

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QUOTE(StratOS @ Feb 10 2015, 10:22 PM)
you got my support for autofreaks..  thumbup.gif

after the PT ron95 review.. sorry, im leaving.. whistling.gif
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Really? Why? RON95 infact is very good article from PT. It just that malaysian people still have the mindset of RON97 is the better fuel no matter what facts you throw in.
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post Feb 10 2015, 11:28 PM

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QUOTE(ericmaxman @ Feb 10 2015, 10:20 PM)
Thanks for the heads up icon_rolleyes.gif
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I see autofreaks is promising, Chris Wee writes very interesting articles. They're original features that feels drawn from his experience, really great read.

You guys gotta fix your layout, I think I've commented before I can't even find search function! I just checked and still can't find it doh.gif

Indexing is also important, it's not easy to navigate around older posts sleep.gif

Also, it's been awhile since your last youtube video. Shoot more video guys! icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Feb 10 2015, 11:28 PM

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The comment by PT is unwarranted. Not cool.

This post has been edited by Human Nature: Feb 10 2015, 11:29 PM
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post Feb 10 2015, 11:46 PM

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Cant believe some well known people in the automotive industry ( in fact a leader for me ) felt butthurt with retarded anonymous comments over the internet.

Its like Justin Bieber hunting his haters down lol.
Taylor Swift once said: Haters gonna Hate.

Guess who have the most hatred afterall.
Lmfao
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post Feb 10 2015, 11:46 PM

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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Feb 10 2015, 11:28 PM)
The comment by PT is unwarranted. Not cool.
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He edi apologised and removed it, so let it go... let it gooo

Really, other people should be considerate too. PT worked hard to build his site, of course it hurts other people not only lack courtesy, but make tasteless insults on him/his crew.

PT can't afford to be as bold as Top Gear, they're not as influential as them. TG can insult and be racist, and they'll get away with it cuz their brand is that powerful.

So better PT be called sold to their advertisers than to irk them and lose it all. Haters gonna hate anyway, PT better just mind their own business and jaga their own rice bowl.
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post Feb 10 2015, 11:47 PM

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QUOTE(Human Nature @ Feb 10 2015, 11:28 PM)
The comment by PT is unwarranted. Not cool.
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some /k comment slandering the reviewers team of taking bribe and being is more not "cool" than being called a clown and retard
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post Feb 10 2015, 11:53 PM

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QUOTE(SoZa @ Feb 10 2015, 11:47 PM)
some /k comment slandering the reviewers team of taking bribe and being is more not "cool" than being called a clown and retard
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then he should deal with that particular posters only. at the same time, he could have use this as a platform to clarify things and get feedback on which part could be further improved, etc.

This post has been edited by Human Nature: Feb 10 2015, 11:53 PM
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post Feb 11 2015, 12:01 AM

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QUOTE(tokdukun @ Feb 11 2015, 02:46 AM)
He edi apologised and removed it, so let it go... let it gooo

Really, other people should be considerate too. PT worked hard to build his site, of course it hurts other people not only lack courtesy, but make tasteless insults on him/his crew.

PT can't afford to be as bold as Top Gear, they're not as influential as them. TG can insult and be racist, and they'll get away with it cuz their brand is that powerful.

So better PT be called sold to their advertisers than to irk them and lose it all. Haters gonna hate anyway, PT better just mind their own business and jaga their own rice bowl.
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work hard, screwed hard.. thats PT.

some more use own name. doh.gif its just going to be shit for him lifetime! rclxms.gif
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post Feb 11 2015, 12:14 AM

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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Feb 10 2015, 11:20 PM)
Really?  Why?  RON95 infact is very good article from PT.  It just that malaysian people still have the mindset of RON97 is the better fuel no matter what facts you throw in.
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to do a real control test, you need to consider the variables
in this case,

fixed variable/control - the engine of the car basically same performance and spec

non-fixed/test variable - RON 95 or RON 97

His method of review even by engineering standards is rudimentary, unless the driver is a robot no one have the same driving habit.

he claimed tat they switch drivers along the journey. This actually make the result even worse because now u are swapping different driving habits on all the tested vehicles which theoretically increased the randomness of the result. If one driving drive all the way until finish, at least he can claim consistent result by assuming tat one person have the same driving habit all the way. Then go to the next car and drive the same way as before. (More credible than swapping drivers)
Now u are swapping 4 different fellow in one car an expect a consistent result?

what he should do on in his so call real situation test is employed a dyno tester machine.. No not the kind tat improve your engine performance but rather the lab dyno testing used in university mechanical lab or engine test plant (both proton and p2 have it icon_idea.gif )

this is small lab type for university students to do lab test
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


And this is better dyno enginer performance (K&N)
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


I am too lazy how to explain how it works but it can be used to test diff fuel type and engine performance

Publishing the result based on control lab test is more credible than i drive on road and here is my result. If u are writing scientific paper and this is your methodology, the professor will laugh and throw your paper into the bin.

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post Feb 11 2015, 12:21 AM

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QUOTE(paultantk @ Feb 10 2015, 08:08 PM)
i think i've stepped enough toes on this matter. all we wanted was for the defamatory statements to be removed. sorry once again for the trouble.
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fuuuu 2003 punye acc
rule no 1
/kopitiam is a troll den
i think u lurk lyn.net long enough since 2003
so why get ur self but hurt over a stupid comment?

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post Feb 11 2015, 12:23 AM

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QUOTE(ohman @ Feb 10 2015, 10:53 PM)
pretty sure they make more than you do.
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gud for them..so no need to make stupid comment thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(lucifah @ Feb 10 2015, 07:14 PM)
OK, one local website removed from my fav list

this is no way to treat your readers

"A forum full of defamatory clowns"

"They are all anonymous cowards on a forum"

"Retards..."
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Can't agree more. That fb post of his it sums it all. High handedness approach with houlier than thou attitude. They should take/k less seriously.

No more pt for me.
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post Feb 11 2015, 08:47 AM

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QUOTE(thpace @ Feb 11 2015, 12:14 AM)
to do a real control test, you need to consider the variables
in this case,

fixed variable/control - the engine of the car basically same performance and spec

non-fixed/test variable - RON 95 or RON 97

His method of review even by engineering standards is rudimentary, unless the driver is a robot no one have the same driving habit.

he claimed tat they switch drivers along the journey. This actually make the result even worse because now u are swapping different driving habits on all the tested vehicles which theoretically increased the randomness of the result. If one driving drive all the way until finish, at least he can claim consistent result by assuming tat one person have the same driving habit all the way. Then go to the next car and drive the same way as before. (More credible than swapping drivers)
Now u are swapping 4 different fellow in one car an expect a consistent result?

what he should do on in his so call real situation test is employed a dyno tester machine.. No not the kind tat improve your engine performance but rather the lab dyno testing used in university mechanical lab or engine test plant (both proton and p2 have it  icon_idea.gif  )

this is small lab type for university students to do lab test
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


And this is better dyno enginer performance (K&N)
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


I am too lazy how to explain how it works but it can be used to test diff fuel type and engine performance

Publishing the result based on control lab test is more credible than i drive on road and here is my result. If u are writing scientific paper and this is your methodology, the professor will laugh and throw your paper into the bin.
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The last bit is quite irony. You'll see the comment if Paultan really did a control test. They will rubbish it and ask for 'real-world' test to use Saga and Myvi. rolleyes.gif

The fact still doesn't change that using higher number RON give benefit for normal engine compression ratio. What i believe is the different additives added to the fuel itself that produce different result. Not the RON.
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post Feb 11 2015, 09:27 AM

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QUOTE(ruffstuff @ Feb 11 2015, 08:47 AM)
The last bit is quite irony.  You'll see the comment if Paultan really did a control test. They will rubbish it and ask for 'real-world' test to use Saga and Myvi.  rolleyes.gif

The fact still doesn't change that using higher number RON give benefit for normal engine compression ratio.  What i believe is the different additives added to the fuel itself that produce different result. Not the RON.
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For me its a damn good test.
Actual environment.. Same route.. Same jam or not..
Driver A might be more heavy footed than driver B. Thats why they swap to average it out. The key point is the car maintain same fuel. its a real life test. Control environment result are like what manufacturer advertise lo.. most oso cant get those figurea what whistling.gif

ppl use ron97 have to justify the cost differences ma whistling.gif
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post Feb 11 2015, 09:54 AM

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Funny part is that complaint post support to be share among friends but his friends who screen cap it and share here which let the wild fire burn.

Myself also don't find any extra benefit on mileage when trying Ron 97 shell on my gaga.
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post Feb 11 2015, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(tokdukun @ Feb 10 2015, 11:28 PM)
I see autofreaks is promising, Chris Wee writes very interesting articles. They're original features that feels drawn from his experience, really great read.

You guys gotta fix your layout, I think I've commented before I can't even find search function! I just checked and still can't find it doh.gif

Indexing is also important, it's not easy to navigate around older posts sleep.gif

Also, it's been awhile since your last youtube video. Shoot more video guys! icon_rolleyes.gif
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Chris wee video review sux. Always repeat his words. And that girl which doing the Nissan Serena video review like reading straight from the script and so wooden. Video production value wise Paultan > Autofreaks.
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post Feb 11 2015, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Feb 11 2015, 09:27 AM)
For me its a damn good test.
Actual environment.. Same route.. Same jam or not..
Driver A might be more heavy footed than driver B. Thats why they swap to average it out. The key point is the car maintain same fuel. its a real life test. Control environment result are like what manufacturer advertise lo.. most oso cant get those figurea what whistling.gif

ppl use ron97 have to justify the cost differences ma whistling.gif
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kopitiam people (that guys is clearly one of them) will still rubbish what you said.

if PT have access to those lab equipments, i think PT wouldn't be doing just simple car blogs only laugh.gif
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post Feb 11 2015, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(ericmaxman @ Feb 10 2015, 09:54 PM)
Will definitely look into that. There are some issues that will be needed to be ironed out.

Hang on icon_rolleyes.gif
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Because of this tread, I know who is Autofreaks.com

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Eric - whilst I know "Kita Kena Cari Makan" - I do hope that you stay true to the enthusiast path - its okay to praise the good parts of a Car but when the review looks more like a detailed Press Release / Endorsement is when fans will start to leave and mocking you


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post Feb 11 2015, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(cfa28 @ Feb 11 2015, 11:33 AM)
Because of this tread, I know who is Autofreaks.com

My Latest Bookmark

Eric - whilst I know "Kita Kena Cari Makan" - I do hope that you stay true to the enthusiast path - its okay to praise the good parts of a Car but when the review looks more like a detailed Press Release / Endorsement is when fans will start to leave and mocking you
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Press release is press release. Review is review. I'll review a car for what it is.

Will definitely keep that in mind, thanks bro. smile.gif

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