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 Traders Kopitiam! V7

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Boon3
post Mar 13 2015, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Mar 13 2015, 02:31 PM)
Bad price = paid too much, you lose opportunity cost

Good price = got a bargain, will make more money.

Wrong price = there isn't one.
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LOL!

Market needs more investors like you.


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post Mar 13 2015, 02:34 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 13 2015, 02:19 PM)
Lol...

10 years.. so what would your earning be? Can beat FD?
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I fell off the chair reading..... tongue.gif
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post Mar 13 2015, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Mar 13 2015, 02:33 PM)
So it does.. maybe there will be more liquidity then smile.gif
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Make sure you don't buy WRONG stock at WRONG price.


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post Mar 13 2015, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(vNirvana @ Mar 13 2015, 03:12 PM)
LoL... all the sifu here, sometime i find it very hard to understand what you guys talking about
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"newbie" problem blush.gif
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post Mar 13 2015, 07:48 PM

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QUOTE(rockmadhavan @ Mar 13 2015, 03:27 PM)
Haha!sarcastic eh...:-)
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post Mar 13 2015, 08:01 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 13 2015, 05:24 PM)
Funny meh?  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif
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LOL!

Not meh?

Some of the statements made (not by you) laugh die me....

The one about no wrong price only bad price...
had me in stitches.... ROFLMAO!

Logically, since the CI is 'not that far' from our highest...
I believe some had already called this the wildest and longest bull run ever....
so if one use a 10 year chart NOW....
and roll it back 10 years....
of course....
needless to say most of the star name stocks...
would have performed remarkably well.

now the obvious and logical question to ask is what if we throw in a bear run/market crash in the middle?

would hold a stock for 10 years = a sure win?
would a stock bought at any price (since no wrong price) perform well just because it is said to be fundamentally strong?

now... sadly I do not have the 20 or more year chart data with me bow....
bummer...

however, since got yahoo...
I decided to use KO as an example.

Coca-cola would definitely qualify as a fundamentally strong stock... yes?

Agree?

This is KO current 10 year chart.

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Yes... with US also in a wild bull run...
KO has done superb.

10 year investment in Coca would be super leng chai. thumbup.gif

now here is another chart of Coca-cola.

but the time frame is different, ie Jan 1997 to March 2007.

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and obviously if one had simply bought Coca cola in 1997, at any price, say 40 bucks, the result would have been terrible, despite holding the stock 10 years.

Can buy any 'fundamental good stock' at any price?

well.... you know I know that you know I know that you also know the answer.

LOL!
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post Mar 13 2015, 08:42 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 13 2015, 08:23 PM)
Well ... if you have bought ANY stocks during 1997.. in KLCI.. also can die leh..  laugh.gif

Also KO was trading at an insane PER (>40x) at that time..  shakehead.gif would not have touched it with 10 foot pole.  tongue.gif 

Buy GOOD companies at FAIR price.  thumbup.gif

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LOL!

Me not the one that made the initial statement of buying any good fundamental stock at any price.... tongue.gif

and also me not the market wizard that made the statement of no WRONG price.

LOL!

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post Mar 13 2015, 08:58 PM

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QUOTE(woonsc @ Mar 13 2015, 08:07 PM)
Agree, but how do you determine how fairly priced is that value?
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Do refer Gark's reply.

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post Mar 13 2015, 09:42 PM

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QUOTE(Carls_Nemesis @ Mar 13 2015, 09:36 PM)
boon gor,
i would advise u not to waste your time for it. some ppl always live on their own. ppl wan say wat, wan go jump or whatever juz leave it. i alwiz deal with this kind of ppl, they will more happy if u give response for it. they juz wan some attraction nia. lol
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no worries and I am actually pretty handy with the ignore button. smile.gif


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post Mar 14 2015, 05:44 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 14 2015, 04:14 PM)
Not finish buy yet..  tongue.gif

Still got more to go..  laugh.gif

Monday hopefully can see SKP at RM 2.00-2.20  drool.gif
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for long term play...
this is way too early again....

no rush to buy a stock when it is in a down turn....

lol .... unless of course .... you believe there is no such thing as a wrong price.


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post Mar 14 2015, 09:11 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 14 2015, 07:57 PM)
Buy sikit sikit lah.. IF the price is right.  laugh.gif
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Say if you use earnings cycle as an example....
What would you be seeing?

Would we see....
Earnings turn bad/decline..
Would we see losses?
Would we see thw kitchen sink starts flying?
....then only we see earnings stabilise...
maybe then only earnings start flying back again.....

Lots of time yes?
Why rush?

I know i won't simply buy and hope my entry price is not wrong..

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post Mar 15 2015, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(spring onion @ Mar 14 2015, 10:39 PM)
i know more than 50% of OnG engineer are low profile. those who likes to buy and party all day are those who still yet to find a wife
Hi boon, may i know how you cut loss? let's say you find a a stock which is attractive, say stock ABC. you value that stock at rm1.50 and 1 day it was trading at 97sen lowest.

on 2nd day it rebound to rm1 and you buy it. at what price you would considered to cut loss?
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when I did fake trading, I practiced a lot using 6% as my cut loss...

now based on your ABC example, though I have to say there's still not enough data for me....
yes, I would have preferred to see more variables before deciding....
like if the stock pulled back...
was it in accordance to the general market weakness...
or did it pulled back, moving against the general market... etc etc etc....

However, just based loosely on what you wrote...
I MIGHT use a cut loss at 93 sen or so.....

please understand this is very subjective.....
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post Mar 15 2015, 06:22 PM

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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Mar 15 2015, 05:25 PM)
Guys keep an eye on top glove share... The bod will announce their latest 4th quarter 2014 performance this coming 18th of march 2015. This week between monday to friday epf been busy acquiring their stake in the company...based on analyst forecast the earnings gonna be better...

Im expecting insider move frm epf early this week to gain some profit after the announcement...

U guys can try monitor this counter on monday and tuesday....

The price have so far breakout recent high with strong volume....potential to the upside and line of least resistance is very much on the upside...

Not to mention weak ringgit and stronger usd may be a good insentive for their export market
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Great stuff!
Thanks for sharing! thumbup.gif

share back a few sen opinion hor.....

Yes, I HAD been a big fan of the stronger USD trend.
It's my good friend.

However, most would know that I had not been a fan of the rubber glove industry.
I am still not a fan.
Why?
I feel the over capacity issue in the dog eat cat rubber glove industry is massive.
Also said many times before...
the good times in this industry is over.
Yes, it had a wonderful boom....
but the boom is past.....
and so far, there is no data that indicates this has or will change.

I like to speculate but I do not like to be way early in my speculation to the point of trying to catch when and where an industry fortune(s) will change...
which is why I avoid sectors like gloves....
and which is also why I will call a pass on any oil & gas sectors for now...
it's way too early....
just my opinions which you might not agree....

anyway... when I said the good times is over....
well here is TopGlove's recent quarterly earnings.

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as you can see, the recent number of red arrows indicating quarter profits of declining profits....

it's not a positive picture....

certainly not for someone like me...
who values earnings growth....
and who certainly believes a great company as a company whose profits are growing....

Having said that...
well in terms of charting...

here is TopGlove current chart...

user posted image

it's a rather optimistic chart.... (ah... also do consider the risk of any possible good 'profits' been priced in )

and I can understand the reason why to be optimistic....

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well... all the best and good luck.

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post Mar 16 2015, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(Le Don @ Mar 15 2015, 07:51 PM)
Great write up  thumbup.gif

Earning growth is the most important factor for you before buying a stock?
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What makes a great company?

A well known company?

or some might call it a fundamentally strong company?

Well, a fundamentally strong company, could be a company having a strong balance sheet and a big sales turnover....

but is that a great company if the management/owner is conservative?

ie the company only desires to maintain sales/profit only?

or do you want a company whose management strives to make more and more money each year?

difficult to understand?

well, how about if you are a job seeker...

of course, getting a good salary is the goal but if 5 companies offers you the same salary, what is the other factor that helps you decided which company to work for?

do you want to work in a conservative company (with limited growth)?

or do you want to work in a company who strives to grow more each year?

One very smart investor used to say 'growth is an integral part of value'....
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post Mar 16 2015, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(MoneyMaker prince @ Mar 16 2015, 11:13 AM)
Boon gor, I have a different view, although I agree with your explanation.

It depends on what the investor preference. If I going for a growth stock, of course growth rate will be important. A steady growth in sales and net income with good cashflow will be my pick.

If I going for dividend stock, even though the stock has slow growth in sales and net income, as long as the cashflow is healthy and able to pay debt interest and dividend from the money they earn every year, I think is still a good stock. Because what we want is just the dividend.

Of course if we can get a stock that give good stable dividend yield and growth will be perfect  rclxms.gif

Just my humble opinion.
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You can always disagree. smile.gif

Juat remember, when it comes to dividend investing...
You should not ask me...
Lol...
Cos I am just a trader.

Anyway, for me, when it comes to dividend investing..
The issue is 'how sustainable is the dividends'?

If profits do not grow, can the company continue to distribute long term dividends?

Also...would you want stable dividends or...
Do I want to be greedy a bit....
And wish for increasing dividends?


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post Mar 16 2015, 12:55 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 16 2015, 12:47 PM)
Ta Ann - Back of hand reasearch.

The Good  laugh.gif

1. Sales of log in USD, approx $230 per m3 and have strong demand from India. Sales of plywood is also in USD, approx $500 per m3.
2. Average age of plantation profile is 8 years old and OER yield is decent at 19%. FFB Yield also decent at 19.6 t/ha. Not too high vs peers (High is about 22% OER and 25 tpha) but not too low, (peninsular average 18% OER, 18 tpha)

The bad  sad.gif

1. Reduction of quota for Tasmania operation for veneer production (for plywood production).
2. No new plantings for remaining 60,000 ha landbank due to weak CPO price, and cash channels to dividend. IMHO they should continue to expand their profitable plantation segment.
2. Owned by family of Pek Moh...specifically his brother & sister. Political risk.

The Ugly.  mad.gif

1. Sales of plywood is still poor and affected by Japanese market downturn.. the segment is expected to LOSE $15 million per year.

Result : To monitor further.  laugh.gif
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One look...also no want to see more.... tongue.gif



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post Mar 16 2015, 12:59 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 16 2015, 12:57 PM)
Hahaha...  tongue.gif

Why? Tell us what you see.. that we dont... notworthy.gif

If profits.. past profits is poor and not consistent.. but how about future?  tongue.gif
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Your this reply already say everything.... tongue.gif


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post Mar 17 2015, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 17 2015, 02:20 PM)
Something to ponder.. something to think about.. got Ah boon's teaching inside..  laugh.gif
Full post here.
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post Mar 17 2015, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 17 2015, 02:27 PM)
That 'spam' not for you one.  tongue.gif You already cut loss grandmaster level 99..

Yes, selling off a mistake is always hard to do.. hopefully someone will benefit from the 'spam'..  nod.gif
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so when you want to admit you are investing way too early in SKPet ...... tongue.gif
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post Mar 17 2015, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(gark @ Mar 17 2015, 02:31 PM)
Hahahaha.. too early is not equal to make a mistake..  tongue.gif

Still looking to buy more.  rclxms.gif
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..... yeah.... still too early days ......



so you say you expect this to be a loooooooooooooooooong term....

so from now to say..... another year.... or more.....

what would you expect?

earnings to go down..... yes?

(SKPet announces earnings this month, ya? )

if yes how bad do you expect earnings to go down?

would you expect losses?

how many quarters of poor earnings?

2? 3? 4? or more?

when SKPet announces these poor earnings.....
would stock be hit?

or you think the stock at most retest recent lows cos whatever bad earnings has all been priced in?


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