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post Jan 27 2015, 10:48 PM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Jan 27 2015, 09:36 PM)
Last time plan on A319, now just think on A321LR, too big for A321LR, for as A319MPA already enough
i think A319MPA (ACJ319 spec) more suitable as, more low cost for plant cost. A321LR maybe suitable for Euro country need patrol ocean.
too bad Airbus military said need 20 order only will start production line.  brows.gif
this one Yinchet also like ....
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Too expensive to my liking.
For now I prefer we get atr-72 mpa or c-27j stinger2 for esscom.
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post Jan 27 2015, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Jan 27 2015, 07:48 PM)
just read airbus helicopter 2015 sales target ....
they listed malaysia "possible" in EC725 batch 2 with 6~12 unit and Tiger helicopter.
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Under rmk wishlists so yeah possible sale.
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post Jan 28 2015, 12:01 AM

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I prefer propeller aircraft as mpa. cn-235 would be nice,easy on the logistic ...


....heh logistic, the hell am i talking
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I prefer propeller aircraft as mpa. cn-235 would be nice,easy on the logistic ...


....heh logistic, the hell am i talking
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post Jan 28 2015, 12:34 AM

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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Jan 28 2015, 12:01 AM)
I prefer propeller aircraft as mpa. cn-235 would be nice,easy on the logistic ...
....heh logistic, the hell am i talking
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Cn-235 a bit small only can install 2 terminal, more like maritime surveillance aircraft
ATR72 MPA or C-295 MPA (with ASW and missile, torpedo)more complete MPA solution.
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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Jan 28 2015, 12:34 AM)
Cn-235 a bit small only can install 2 terminal, more like maritime surveillance aircraft
ATR72 MPA or C-295 MPA (with ASW and missile, torpedo)more complete MPA solution.
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C-295 AEW would be nice.. but sadly radar dome made by isreal which already throw it out of the book .. cry.gif

even so.. it airbus bound to have issues during initial production laugh.gif

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post Jan 28 2015, 05:43 AM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Jan 28 2015, 12:34 AM)
Cn-235 a bit small only can install 2 terminal, more like maritime surveillance aircraft
ATR72 MPA or C-295 MPA (with ASW and missile, torpedo)more complete MPA solution.
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Yes...CN-235 MPA is a lightweight, affordable solution and ideal for countries that previously have CN-235, but don't expect to do anything except for surveillance and patrol duties.

TNI-AL gets CN-235 MPA for $27 million each, equipped with OceanMaster 400 primary radar with detection range 350km and a plethora of other features.

http://dmc.kemhan.go.id/post-kemhan-serahk...tuk-tni-al.html


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post Jan 28 2015, 09:22 AM

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QUOTE(ayanami_tard @ Jan 28 2015, 12:01 AM)
I prefer propeller aircraft as mpa. cn-235 would be nice,easy on the logistic ...
....heh logistic, the hell am i talking
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QUOTE(Frozen_Sun @ Jan 28 2015, 05:43 AM)
Yes...CN-235 MPA is a lightweight, affordable solution and ideal for countries that previously have CN-235, but don't expect to do anything except for surveillance and patrol duties.

TNI-AL gets CN-235 MPA for $27 million each, equipped with OceanMaster 400 primary radar with detection range 350km and a plethora of other features.

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last time after sabah standoff, news said mindef want convert few unit our CN235 to MPA, but so far now news liao. unsure.gif
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QUOTE(thpace @ Jan 28 2015, 12:48 AM)
C-295 AEW would be nice.. but sadly radar dome made by isreal which already throw it out of the book .. cry.gif

even so.. it airbus bound to have issues during initial production  laugh.gif
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yup, even system also use Israel system.
only hope get B737 MESA, but too costly. usd 450 million now. brows.gif

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post Jan 28 2015, 09:35 AM

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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Jan 28 2015, 09:25 AM)
yup, even system also use Israel system.
only hope get B737 MESA, but too costly. usd 450 million now. brows.gif
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Most western designed AEW/AWACS use Israeli systems. US built systems way too expensive or not allowed for export. Hard to avoid the fact. hmm.gif
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post Jan 28 2015, 09:40 AM

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erieye aew good enough i think, at least it use aesa radar

for mpa just buy cn235, easier
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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Jan 28 2015, 09:25 AM)
yup, even system also use Israel system.
only hope get B737 MESA, but too costly. usd 450 million now. brows.gif
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Anything thay staet with 7 in us arsenal.. it bound to be expensive

No need even think about it
But previous report we about to buy 2 or 3 awacs most probably upgraded older e3 when the news come out and the goverment cancelled the deal after info leaked. Not sure about tis

QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jan 28 2015, 09:35 AM)
Most western designed AEW/AWACS use Israeli systems. US built systems way too expensive or not allowed for export. Hard to avoid the fact. hmm.gif
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There china or russian.. but not too sure how well it will work..

Mainly.. not many ppl will know because they does not really market their aew unless asked
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QUOTE(thpace @ Jan 28 2015, 10:22 AM)
There china or russian.. but not too sure how well it will work..
Mainly.. not many ppl will know because  they does not really market their aew unless asked
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Russian tech, especially radars are very good, China not so sure....
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jan 28 2015, 10:29 AM)
Russian tech, especially radars are very good, China not so sure....
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Ground based radar good. Well exported and accepted

Airborne aew.. not sure since thre limited customer like china and India only. So far only china is developing the new kJ3000 awecs
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post Jan 28 2015, 10:44 AM

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Saab Erieye have the highest chances to enter into the inventory. Aircraft most likely amb145
tudm very interested with it
anyway we also being offer 4 e2d + f18ash.

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Chinese Coast Guard starts new year with 3rd intrusion of Japanese waters in January alone

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The Japan Coast Guard says 2 Chinese patrol ships entered Japanese territorial waters off the Senkaku Islands in the East China Sea on 27th of January. A Coast Guard spokesperson says the ships sailed the waters northwest of Kuba Island for about 2 hours on Tuesday morning.

The intruding ships are now navigating in the contiguous zone just outside the territorial waters. The coast guard is continuing to monitor them.

Chinese ships also entered territorial waters off the islands on January 9th and 19th. Last year, the coast guard identified 32 separate intrusions of Japanese waters by its Chinese counterpart.

Japan currently has administrative control of the islands, known as Senkaku to the Japanese and Diaoyu to the Chinese. The Japanese government maintains the islands are a part of Japan's territory.
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QUOTE(yinchet @ Jan 28 2015, 10:44 AM)
Saab Erieye have the highest chances to enter into the inventory. Aircraft most likely amb145
tudm very interested with it
anyway we also being offer 4 e2d + f18ash.
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thats good news, since i know only saab offer such offer to us before
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post Jan 28 2015, 11:28 AM

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QUOTE(yinchet @ Jan 28 2015, 10:44 AM)
Saab Erieye have the highest chances to enter into the inventory. Aircraft most likely amb145
tudm very interested with it
anyway we also being offer 4 e2d + f18ash.
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the bigger cons of EMB145 AEW is operation hours only 3.30 hrs (fly hours)due to limited fuel tank.
E2D also same 4 hrs only, but worse is even E2D no toilet inside, so usually only fly 2 hrs+ than come back.
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QUOTE(waja2000 @ Jan 28 2015, 11:28 AM)
the bigger cons of EMB145 AEW is operation hours only 3.30 hrs (fly hours)due to limited fuel tank.
E2D also same 4 hrs only, but worse is even E2D no toilet inside, so usually only fly 2 hrs+ than come back.
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oh ok, but estimate how many must be up on the air to provide coverage since if we buy 4 is it enough or not enough?

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