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post Aug 2 2009, 12:14 PM

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QUOTE(nuodi @ Aug 1 2009, 10:52 PM)
Guys.... how can i partial withdrawal from ASM or ASW?
Can i go to the authorized banks or only the PNB hq?
Roughly how long will it take for me to receive the monies?

Feel sad for withdrawing but need the money for new house....  sad.gif
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You can go the the agent, CIMB, Maybank, Pos, RHB or direct to PNB and withdraw anytime. (Unless its time for dividend calculation). Money will be given on the spot.


Added on August 2, 2009, 12:19 pm
QUOTE(bbinn2008 @ Aug 2 2009, 12:21 AM)
It's not capital guaranteed fund. See the clause below in it's propectus.

7.1.1 Determination of Prices and Charges
The buying and selling price of AS 1Malaysia unit is fixed at RM1.00. However, AS 1Malaysia is not a
capital guaranteed fund as defined under the Guidelines.
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Just make sure you understand what 'as defined under the Guidelines' means, it means SC Guidelines. Different from what most people think of a capital guarantee is.

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The terminology is different following Securities Commission Guidelines.

Below is the full guideline:
http://www.sc.com.my/eng/html/resources/gu...8_cis_utGLa.pdf

And relevant extract

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GUARANTEED FUND
General
(1) A guaranteed fund is one which guarantees investors will get back the
capital invested, with some returns (if any), or guarantees investors a
certain investment return payable at a pre-determined date in the
future.

(2) The word “guarantee” must appear in the fund’s name. Where a fund
does not comply with the requirements in this appendix, it must not
use the word “guarantee”, or any other name which may imply some
form of guarantee, in its name or in its promotional materials. Such a
fund is prohibited from holding itself out as a guaranteed fund.


Funds like ASB, ASD are not allowed to be called Guaranteed Fund since do no not meet the criteria eg guarantee at a future predetermined date. ASB, ASD are always at RM1. Capital Guarantee means the price can fluctuate, is less or more than 1 at a particular time, but guaranteed at RM1 at maturity only.

In fact, its my view that ASB and ASD are much better in the way that they are always RM1.

So its rather confusing, layman would think RM1 all the time mean capital guarantee, which at a layman word is correct, but not at SC terminology.

Added on August 2, 2009, 12:22 pm
QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Aug 2 2009, 09:35 AM)
Thanks......  rclxms.gif 

bbinn2008, can you please find out the capital guaranteed clause for ASM and ASW also ??

BTW, is there anyway to search the content of a pdf file ? Ctrl+F doesn't work on .pdf.
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There isn't any clause.


Added on August 2, 2009, 12:27 pm
QUOTE(arsenal @ Aug 1 2009, 11:38 PM)
Check redemption part..The only not good is got 1% service charge when buying... doh.gif
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From the prospectus:
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Up to 1.0% of the invested amount. The sales charge is subject to change based on
Manager’s discretion.


I've been made to understand that there will be no sales charge during the offer period, its reported here as well:
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com.my/inde...able-from-aug-5

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Investors can buy it at ASNB, Pos Malaysia, Maybank, CIMB Bank and RHB Bank. No sales charges will be imposed during the offer period.




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post Aug 2 2009, 02:13 PM

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Good analysis, vergas nod.gif rclxms.gif

But ASM n ASW don't have maturity date, do they ? Even bank officers and newspaper claimed ASM and ASW are capital guaranteed at RM1. No one yet in this forum can substantiate this argument with a link to an official source.
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post Aug 2 2009, 02:18 PM

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Aug 2 2009, 09:35 AM)
Thanks......  rclxms.gif 

bbinn2008, can you please find out the capital guaranteed clause for ASM and ASW also ??

BTW, is there anyway to search the content of a pdf file ? Ctrl+F doesn't work on .pdf.
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No capital guaranteed clause in ASM and ASW as well.

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post Aug 2 2009, 02:50 PM

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QUOTE(bbinn2008 @ Aug 2 2009, 02:18 PM)
No capital guaranteed clause in ASM and ASW as well.
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Does the ASM, ASW prospectus states similar clause as in 7.1.1 ??
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post Aug 2 2009, 05:07 PM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Aug 1 2009, 11:50 PM)
Snowball,

Read above posts and judge for yourself.

This is CONSISTENT with how Malaysian government works.  If you cannot pass the exam, you lower the standard.  Yes, ASM should be bench mark against balanced fund.

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agree with dreamer. AS1M is bullsh*t. The PNB fella said dividend may be around 4% only, but still better than bank FD 2% interest blah blah. Limit 30% quota for non Bumi! 1Msia my @rse
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Let's say i have my money at maybank. Can i buy AS1M at maybank by transfering the money from my account? Or i have to buy only by using cash over the counter?
It's my first time buying these funds.
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post Aug 2 2009, 07:06 PM

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Aug 2 2009, 02:13 PM)
Good analysis,  vergas  nod.gif  rclxms.gif

But ASM n ASW don't have maturity date, do they ? Even bank officers and newspaper claimed ASM and ASW are capital guaranteed at RM1. No one yet in this forum can substantiate this argument with a link to an official source.
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That because the bank officers and newspaper mean 'capital guarantee' in laymans term, not a
capital guaranteed as defined under the SC Guidelines.
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post Aug 2 2009, 07:52 PM

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QUOTE(vergas @ Aug 2 2009, 12:14 PM)
You can go the the agent, CIMB, Maybank, Pos, RHB or direct to PNB and withdraw anytime. (Unless its time for dividend calculation). Money will be given on the spot.
thanks for the info!


Financial Year End for ASM is March 31, will i be paid prorated interest for april-july period?



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QUOTE(AskarPerang @ Aug 2 2009, 05:24 PM)
Let's say i have my money at maybank. Can i buy AS1M at maybank by transfering the money from my account? Or i have to buy only by using cash over the counter?
It's my first time buying these funds.
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yes u can buy by transferring from bank account
and don't forget to photocopy of IC(front and back)
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post Aug 2 2009, 09:40 PM

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QUOTE(nuodi @ Aug 2 2009, 07:52 PM)
thanks for the info!
Financial Year End for ASM is March 31, will i be paid prorated interest for april-july period?
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You should get the months interest.
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post Aug 3 2009, 06:31 AM

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If we think economy is on its way already to recover from recession,
and we're not so worry about depressive downturn anymore,
why would young people who has years ahead of income growth
wants to pile their money in AS1M, ASB, ASW, etc.. or any kind of govt issued bonds/funds? hmm.gif

Do you want to lend your money the govt to continue to fund its those outlandish projects?
Usually, when there is insecurity, you would definitely seek these safe haven.

The general stock market has outperform the dividends given by any govt so far.
Even Warren Buffet doesn't want to buy US Treasury.

Any govt issue bonds/saham perhaps should be perhaps more attractive to people nearing their retirement age
or those already retired who wants a steady or better rate than the FD.

Definitely buy this for your mom or dad or grand parents.. but if you're young and have years ahead,
now, it is the time to take a hard look at the stock market before the big bull run which is most likely to happen soon.


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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Aug 3 2009, 06:31 AM)
If we think economy is on its way already to recover from recession,
and we're not so worry about depressive downturn anymore,
why would young people who has years ahead of income growth
wants to pile their money in AS1M, ASB, ASW, etc.. or any kind of govt issued bonds/funds?  hmm.gif
For diversity, it's stupid to put all your money in high risk funds.
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post Aug 3 2009, 11:11 AM

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Is AS1M open for sale today?
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post Aug 3 2009, 11:14 AM

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Was reading the fund prospectus regarding the sales charge.

It says if you want to invest RM10k, you will need to pay 1% or an additional RM100 for the 10k units you will be receiving.

So to get 10k units of AS1M, yu need to pay RM10000 + 1% = RM10100

No charges on redemption though and unlimited redemption as well.
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I agree. Anyway financial gurus have always predicted the martket wrongly
and most ppl are always 'caught', losing their money most of the time. There is
no sure 'gain' in the stock market not even blue chips.
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QUOTE(jack2 @ Aug 3 2009, 11:11 AM)
Is AS1M open for sale today?
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Starts on the 5th August.
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post Aug 3 2009, 11:18 AM

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what is so special about this 1Malaysia fund with other existing fund?

the fund is 1Malaysia but still got quota 33% for chinese/15% indian ? shouldnt it open for any malaysian...

"Permodalan Nasional Berhad (PNB) is Malaysia's biggest fund management company" almost same par as Petronas , why PNB still not in world top 300 companies? even petronas is under top 100 ..

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post Aug 3 2009, 11:26 AM

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but this as1m only have interest for 3.5-4%? seems worthless to buy
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QUOTE(MoonRider @ Aug 3 2009, 11:18 AM)
what is so special about this 1Malaysia fund with other existing fund?

the fund is 1Malaysia but still got quota 33% for chinese/15% indian ? shouldnt it open for any malaysian...

"Permodalan Nasional Berhad (PNB) is Malaysia's biggest fund management company" almost same par as Petronas , why PNB still not in world top 300 companies? even petronas is under top 100 ..
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Nothing special. Just like any other ASNB fund out there. Fund size is definitely much bigger than the previous ASW and ASM.

Hopefully the quota system will be just for the beginning sales period and would be open to all later, such as the case with ASM. 50k limit and 100k limit will be removed after the initial sales period to ensure everyone has a chance to buy.


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QUOTE(skiddtrader @ Aug 3 2009, 11:14 AM)
Starts on the 5th August.
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Wonder how is the response from aunties.....

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