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wongkoewei
post Jan 26 2015, 06:49 PM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 26 2015, 06:46 PM)
You need to wait 1 year plus for 380x/390x to be cheap.
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May be you are right, I'm waiting for my bonus... only i can go buy with peace in mind.
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post Jan 26 2015, 06:59 PM

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QUOTE(Unseen83 @ Jan 26 2015, 06:55 PM)
let me poison u... Blue!
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Wow... Is that yours? took off just for me... my honour~~~ notworthy.gif notworthy.gif

Not my dream card, but i really curious if i bought 290X 8GB how much of the extra vram on gaming especially if i ON the MSAA kao kao~~ hmm.gif hmm.gif hmm.gif

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post Jan 26 2015, 09:13 PM

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QUOTE(terradrive @ Jan 26 2015, 08:57 PM)
I haven't saw any game uses more than 4GB VRAM other than Shadow of Mordor high resolution texture pack.

Also some newer games can't even use MSAA anymore, too demanding already... Have to use SMAA or FXAA now
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COD Advanced warfare got, in the form of 'supersampling', i guess it is a kind of SSAA. Crysis 3 got, watch dog got this option, not using it now...
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post Jan 26 2015, 09:28 PM

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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 26 2015, 09:22 PM)
dont bother, on latest games, turning on anything >2x MSAA will kill your FPS faster than you can say " Not Enough VRAM!"

youll hit GPU perf limit before hitting the VRAM limit
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I guess so... just a wild curiosity, this curiosity making me making some stupid decision before, but never try never know right? doh.gif doh.gif
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post Jan 26 2015, 09:40 PM

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QUOTE(marfccy @ Jan 26 2015, 09:35 PM)
no harm trying, i tested long ago

totally unplayable when >x4 MSAA is introduced for modern games
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using your GTX 780? i heard 780 out 6GB version also...
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post Jan 26 2015, 09:44 PM

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QUOTE(terradrive @ Jan 26 2015, 09:42 PM)
SMAA is different.

For me SMAA is the best AA for now. Performance impact is just few percent like FXAA, but it looks really good.
I have to say I prefer it over MSAA 4x, MSAA looked sharp. MSAA's performance impact may reach 15-30%

Far Cry 4 with SMAA looked awesome.
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I agree on this... thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif

too bad Nvidia not really like SMAA...
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post Jan 26 2015, 10:14 PM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 26 2015, 10:09 PM)
I will go for 8gb 290x. No more 4gb.
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mb u try go (or phone) lowyat plaza ask. I more familiar with former pczone, which been changed to viewnet. this wednesday i ask they said still got much stock from old old time, no one buyenthusiast card like lightning when it were priced 2.5k... brows.gif brows.gif brows.gif

Czone I asked also got

(I specifically ask for MSI lightning, but i saw much of sapphire 290X, both 4GB or 8GB also)

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post Jan 26 2015, 10:41 PM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 26 2015, 10:40 PM)
Actually I meant no more 4gb for me. Just buy 8gb since ps4 have 8gb vram and if ported to pc, need 8gb vram.

Furthermore gtx970 complain about 3.5gb. 4gb is so near.
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then we only one one choice left Sapphire 290X 8GB vapor x flex.gif flex.gif flex.gif flex.gif
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post Jan 27 2015, 06:12 AM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 26 2015, 11:01 PM)
Yes that is our only choice
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In case if you don't know the current price. Sapphire 290X Vapor X 8GB pricing in viewnet lowyat = RM1699 before bargaining

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post Jan 27 2015, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 27 2015, 07:21 AM)
Can you find out what is the lowest price?
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Just a curious question, may I ask the reason behind of your decision of getting a 290X instead of wait for new gen or even newer GTX 980? notworthy.gif notworthy.gif
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post Jan 27 2015, 04:50 PM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 27 2015, 12:23 PM)
I ask about Lightning in online stores. All run out of stock.
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I think better go for lowyat yourself, if not u may phone them see see
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post Jan 27 2015, 04:53 PM

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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Jan 27 2015, 09:58 AM)
lel sap sap water laugh.gif

but i rather waiting what 390X can do 2 fight back

4GB/8GB does not matter rclxms.gif

if times are great,,,i might hop back 2 the red camp again laugh.gif rclxms.gif
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I wish too, but concerning the potential astronomical power consumption, if i go for next gen, I don't think the card will be cheap plus a potential cost add-up of power supply unit will make the cost even higher. let say R9 390X cost RM2100 plus PSU at least need RM2700.
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post Jan 27 2015, 06:39 PM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 27 2015, 06:33 PM)
ooo.. so sad... I go click buy... then they cancel my order
I believe only 290X got 8GB. Unless I'm wrong... lol
yeah, gonna go komtar this weekend...
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yeah. the only 8GB card in the world now are 290X (R9 295x2 are actually dual GPU card of two 290X, if i not mistaken Crossfired or Sli'ed card will not making effective VRAM double as both card need to have the required info input into both VRAM for maximum effect, so R9 295x2 are effectively 4GB card). Do you think 8GB card will make it more future proof? I realize that VRAM requirement of game recently has been increasing recently.
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post Jan 27 2015, 06:42 PM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 27 2015, 06:33 PM)
ooo.. so sad... I go click buy... then they cancel my order
I believe only 290X got 8GB. Unless I'm wrong... lol
yeah, gonna go komtar this weekend...
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komtar? oh ya if u living near digital mall, u may ask around digital mall as some of the lowyat shop have their branch there.
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post Jan 27 2015, 07:01 PM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 27 2015, 06:46 PM)
PS4/Xbox One is 8GB RAM.

So yes, 8GB is the only gfx card that is future proof.
I live in Penang unfortunately. Here people are very lauyah.
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although most review telling me other wise that even 4K gaming will not make use of all 4GB VRAM, but my logic telling me otherwise. all the 8GB card review here show nothing like GPU and VRAM usage and i'm not sure if any scenario of 4GB VRAM being stressed.

One question to ask all pros here, what exactly will HBM impact on the actual performance of card as I'm not sure that current gen 512bit bandwidth has been 100% utilized. if 512bit GDDR5 are yet to be fully utilize, will HBM make any difference? like PCIe 2.0 and 3.0 debate, most result shows that the difference are minimal as most of the card around are not even fully utilize PCIe 2.0 let alone 3.0. Will the same logic applies to the momory bandwidth in GC?

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post Jan 27 2015, 07:20 PM

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QUOTE(llk @ Jan 27 2015, 07:13 PM)
When the time u need 8GB vram, the GPU itself already outdated
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U may be right, thats why i still considering 290X lightning. even I havent completely ruled out GTX 980. My plan if I go for either 290X, since it is priced dirt cheap now, i buy one while invest some of my fund onto PSU making sure I wont be worried at my rig under powered in the future, then i make another upgrade after 2-3 years depend on game development.

If i go for GTX 980, no need to upgrade my PSU all around, use it for more years only upgrade.

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post Jan 27 2015, 08:07 PM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 27 2015, 08:04 PM)
Not true. Now 1080p game also use 3.5gb and above. That is why NVidia con is found.

I believe by end of the year, 1080p full texture gaming need 6gb.
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What I know now they shop that supplied with 290X 8GB are viewnet and jayacom, both in lowyat...
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post Jan 27 2015, 08:13 PM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 27 2015, 08:04 PM)
Not true. Now 1080p game also use 3.5gb and above. That is why NVidia con is found.

I believe by end of the year, 1080p full texture gaming need 6gb.
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I'm not really sure how they find the problem, i guess they wont use 1080p in resolution...
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post Jan 27 2015, 08:58 PM

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QUOTE(llk @ Jan 27 2015, 08:42 PM)
By end of the year 290x is outdated 380x/390x is become mainstream
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Everything is destined to be obsolete~ even buying 380X, it will be obsolete in 2 years time. of coz it depend on ones sense of 'outdate-ness', 290X maybe replace with newer and more capable model, but it doesn't mean it will simply 'outdated' by my mean, I guess it still perform as high end card for at least 2 years . just like HD 7970, it still lives and staying relatively relevant till today by the name of R9 280X, i guess still no one will say 280X are obsolete by now right?

Personal view,,,

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post Jan 27 2015, 09:22 PM

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Yeah... they fend pretty good, I don't think their GPU are anyhow bottlenecking, but from what I observed, older card or cards with 2GB VRAM showing their 'age', if i can call that.

My experience, one time I deliberately set watch to highest setting, what i found was the VRAM are all filled up (1.9/2.0GB) but the GPU never over 40% usage, mostly hovering between 25 - 33%

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