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wongkoewei
post Jan 27 2015, 09:24 PM

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QUOTE(skylinelover @ Jan 27 2015, 09:22 PM)
lel i cant settle 4 LOW/MEDIUM since far cry 1 and crysis 1 days laugh.gif my principle is ULTRA all the way at any big resolutions rclxms.gif brows.gif icon_idea.gif
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For me, at least setting should at least be "high" laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif brows.gif brows.gif brows.gif

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post Jan 27 2015, 09:27 PM

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QUOTE(Acid_RuleZz @ Jan 27 2015, 09:16 PM)
After 2 years old, only very few games able to use more than 2GB with my 7950 without crapping out the FPS.  ph34r.gif

8GB VRAM probably make sense after DX12 imo.
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You are probably right... I might hunt for cheapo 290X lightning icon_rolleyes.gif icon_rolleyes.gif but will consider 8GB version also. of cost still got greenish GTX 980 in list but that thing damn expensive

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post Jan 27 2015, 09:48 PM

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QUOTE(llk @ Jan 27 2015, 09:42 PM)
Its all depends on to what extent u can compromise with the graphic setting, to me i prefer everything set to ultra with 60fps
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Same here, but since I'm not upgrading every year so i guess i cannot expect my card will perform like new gen after some time. sad.gif sad.gif sad.gif
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post Jan 27 2015, 11:46 PM

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QUOTE(llk @ Jan 27 2015, 11:03 PM)
Another option for 290X 8GB, but unsure local distributor will bring in or not?
http://videocardz.com/54768/sapphire-adds-...ith-trix-cooler
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last wednesday i asked lowyat viewnet, they got stock of 290X 8GB at d price of 1699 but lightning at price of 1299, dunno it is wrth spend 400 on 4GB extra vram... much review shows against this tho.. but unsure they ever test something that will really stress the 4GB VRAM. no VRAM usage data detected
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post Jan 28 2015, 12:24 PM

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QUOTE(antaras @ Jan 28 2015, 12:11 PM)
Yes, that's what I read too. That 8GB VRAM thingy is more like a gimmick. Okay, it does have some or little improvement but really not much.
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I guess I should put my money for upgrade my PSU to platinum class? If you ask me, I don't think this is entirely gimmickry as the trending nowm the game are using more and more VRAM and engineers from some company seems lazy to optimize their game (namely ubisoft). For example, apart 2GB VRAM as being 'premium' few years ago, but 2GB now are actually minimum requirement. and much of the game requires more than 3GB VRAM to run on ultra setting.

from what i have observe from Watch dog gaming, one time i deliberately maxed all the setting and see the effect on my HD7870 2GB card. VRAM usage are reaching 2.0GB, mean almost full utilization but GPU never use over 40% mainly hovering from 28-35%. So i don't think AMD GPU are even bottlenecked yet, but the VRAM is the culprit. (observe through Microsoft process explorer.
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post Jan 28 2015, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(antaras @ Jan 28 2015, 12:29 PM)
Yes... for "future-proofing" then that's what you should look at... but who can be sure what to expect in the near future. Apart from the few games that do require high VRAM, the vast majority of them do not even fully utilize 4GB. So, if you ask me, I would rather go for the cheaper card (in your case, the 1299 one) rather than the 8GB version.
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Yeap... 1299 for a enthusiast class card is just too tempting, i can opt for another upgrade 2-3 years later lol
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post Jan 28 2015, 01:01 PM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 28 2015, 12:38 PM)
Based on what you said, I think 290x 8GB will be able to last very long.

The reason people upgrading most probably due to RAM issue.

Let's say

HD7870 2GB only use 40% but 2GB RAM.
But if HD7870 have 4GB, you might not even need to upgrade now.

So let's say 290X 4GB. Probably some stuttering in newer games because low VRAM.
With 290X 8GB no more stuttering.

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In another word:-
290X 4GB
390X 4GB

Running game XXX that need 6GB VRAM.

390X 4GB - 60fps
290X 4GB - 10fps
Reason:- 390X is faster to process so with same RAM, it can generate faster image to keep dumping out and no need to store so long in VRAM.
But 290X is slower than 390X. So it work slowing to store into ram and dump to HDMI.

But...if we use
290X 8GB - 35fps
Why I predict 35fps? Because it has more RAM to store and put out to HDMI.

We all know that once VRAM got full, your FPS will tanked.
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Summary:-
R9 290X 8GB will be future proof.
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This is what I found, just rerun the test to get the screenshot. Leftmost picture are High setting while next to it are in ultra setting.

Two settings tried, namely High and ultra setting. both utilises similar amount of GPU which are 30-33% and VRAM was maxed out by using 1.9GB out of 2GB. But I found that ultra setting uses 1.5GB of system memory, i guess this is the sign of bottleneck, while High settings wew use only about 500MB System memory.

My experience: High: very playable altho FPS are not that great.
Ultra: stuttering like hell...

Detail :
Ultra setting: everything max out with AA set to MSAA 8x
High setting: everything set to high with AA set to FXAA.

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post Jan 28 2015, 01:13 PM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 28 2015, 01:08 PM)
This means only 1 thing. Both AMD and nVidia are cheated customer to upgrade every year.

HD7870 are able to play all new game at ULTRA setting.

Just that not enough VRAM.
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this is exactly what i have interpreted, but none of the 8GB review i read online are match my opinion.



update:
SAPPHIRE announces Radeon R9 290X Tri-X 8GB with triple fan cooler

Sapphire announces another 290X 8GB (Tri-X version)~~ Yesterday punya news... Do this mean 380X will be late? hmm.gif hmm.gif

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post Jan 28 2015, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 28 2015, 01:15 PM)
With current GTX970 fiasco, we can no long trust review.

We should trust ourselves. Just buy R9 290X 8GB.
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When will you action? I'm planning maybe before CNY with 290X lightning or 8GB one. But before that need to search for more opinion 1st
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post Jan 28 2015, 01:31 PM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 28 2015, 01:29 PM)
Before GST. Probably after CNY. I'll be watching what you do. I might follow your footstep.
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Seems like I will become a little guinea pig LOL!!!!!! shocking.gif shocking.gif shocking.gif shocking.gif shocking.gif I actually expect to follow your step, If we bought 8GB one i think we will become the only two 8GB user here.
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post Jan 28 2015, 01:33 PM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 28 2015, 01:32 PM)
then we'll be long time no need to upgrade LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
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Hope so, Ringgit falling now, i saw some part ady start increasing price.
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post Jan 28 2015, 01:41 PM

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QUOTE(joeboto @ Jan 28 2015, 01:36 PM)
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what program is that? very handy. drool.gif
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microsoft process explorer, it is a freeware, you can download it at microsoft website. icon_rolleyes.gif icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Jan 28 2015, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 28 2015, 01:35 PM)
Ringgit stabilized already...  rclxms.gif
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Wow... good to hear that! rclxms.gif rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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post Jan 28 2015, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 28 2015, 01:43 PM)
Then next year can buy another 290X 8GB if drop price. And XFIRE IT!!!!  rclxms.gif
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Crossfire oh... see 1st see 1st
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post Jan 28 2015, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(antaras @ Jan 28 2015, 03:01 PM)
You'll most probably need to upgrade your PSU in order to do that as well.
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yeah, I'm planning to get A PSU also but not sure which branding to go
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post Jan 28 2015, 03:10 PM

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QUOTE(antaras @ Jan 28 2015, 03:08 PM)
yea... it might sound cliche, but never be stingy with the only source of power for your rig. haha...  thumbup.gif
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my choice of brand Cooler Master which i familiar with and Seasonic as well as silverstone whose reputation of breing one of the best PSU brand around
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post Jan 28 2015, 07:51 PM

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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Jan 28 2015, 07:44 PM)
Seasonic mana? brows.gif
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If i go for 4GB MSI lightning, might go for better PSU, like Seasonic X 1050
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post Jan 28 2015, 07:52 PM

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QUOTE(chocobo7779 @ Jan 28 2015, 07:44 PM)
BTW, someone has leaked the codename for R9 400 series....

http://wccftech.com/amd-r9-400-series-gpus...arctic-islands/
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R# 300 series not come yet already spreading about 400 series~~ blink.gif blink.gif blink.gif
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post Jan 28 2015, 08:38 PM

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QUOTE(terradrive @ Jan 28 2015, 08:32 PM)
CM V1000 also good and cheap. Can run 290X CrossFire too
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Yeah... I am using Cooler Master PSU since I first build my rig, none of them showed me bad quality, I think there is no need to doubt their reliability. Although single 290X will never stress 1000W PSU, but I'm plan to buy that in case of the future upgrades and Making sure I no need to worry about power supply.

Now I'm still choosing 290X 8GB or 290X lightning 4GB, I know Sapphire mostly using Elpida Memory chip and lightning uses Samsung chip that are well regarded at their quality. rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif

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post Jan 28 2015, 09:41 PM

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QUOTE(gogo2 @ Jan 28 2015, 01:43 PM)
Then next year can buy another 290X 8GB if drop price. And XFIRE IT!!!!  rclxms.gif
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If you able to get a cheap 290X lightning, will u choose it?

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