There's nothing much can be done. Encryption is pretty much useless against NetEnforcer, or Deep State Inspection.

Please someone ingenious think of a protocol or a method to bypass this stupid problem.

If the client comes out with a new PE (protocol encryption), it might be able to bypass it though.

Well maybe. But still there is still a patern with torrents.

There are a few ways of implementing throttling for torrents.

1 - Plug off the ports for torrent, even though we can dynamically change the ports, but most of the ACK and comm with the trackers are done through the torrent default ports, which it 6800 something+? Not really sure, but that will cripple torrent totally. But SINCE we're getting speed from our own IPs, this is not the metod implemented.

2 - Some sort of inspection packet, I suspect this is the one being implemented. Analysis are done on the packets, and if found suspicious in behaviour, it will totally be dropped and not transmited.

And a few more I cant remember.


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Well a new protocol encrytion would be great, it has the "possibility" of bypassing the throttling algorithm, but there IS one major problem with it.

Not all users will embrace it. Even now, I still see ALOT, and I mean ALOT of Malaysian IPs that didnt even enable the most basic encryption at all.

Agree that all BT users should force PE at the very minimum. I don't know what the processing power of the traffic shapers TMNet is using are like, but the more encrypted torrents it has to deal with the better.

Packet inspection on an enterprise level certainly needs some CPU horsepower. If the hardware is overloaded and can't analyze the traffic sufficiently fast, it might allow some BT packets through the gateway instead of dropping them.

Unencrypted torrents are easy targets for the shapers

This post has been edited by f**kstreamyx: Sep 28 2006, 07:35 PM

It's deep packet inspection (DPI) not deep state inspection. Anyway, I suspect something funny is going on here because if DPI or NetEnforcer was used, how come we can connect to local peers? It should have affected all peers not just international peers alone. I think something is wrong somewhere here.

This post has been edited by nwk: Sep 28 2006, 07:51 PM

This is what I suspect too. It happens to international link only. Now we are awaiting TMNet's announcement and what actually is happening.

LOL I like this idea.

Let's all run the highest level encryption and give the hardware a huge load until it crash itself

Does it work that way anyways?

there is no need to inspect every packet, the hardware just need to monitor connection behaviours for each IPs e.g. having 300 active connections with new 20 connections per 10 seconds will grant you a speed limit.

I thought of that as well. I tried putting my max global connection to 30, and still i'm getting terrible speed. O_o

Maybe I'm not connecting to enough peers?

I think the network placement is like the diagram. If data stays within the TMNET WAN, it does not reach the Netenforcer and is switched at full speed. But, when you try and connect to the internet you have to transfer through the shaping hardware - which drops your packets. Vice-versa if the offshore seed is trying to send you data.

Just guessing. I am not a networking expert

All use DC++ then problem solved lor

But the bad side of DC++ is that if the user does not have the file you wanted, you won't be able to get it too.

That's why we need all the people participate in it lo. I was from INTI college and all the students are using DC++ in the hostel. I could always dl most of the latest movies and drama series.

Try download using Mirc XDCC bot's are same like direct download :-)

well..i got a rather simple solution...since there are a lot of malaysian Bting, why not ask them to max out their upload speed and ban any foreign IP that is uloading?? that will greatly improve the overall speed...now i'm leeching from this malaysian IP and getting speeds of 30-40+kb/s....

wah 30k already fast nowadays, i'm getting like 1kB-5kB only. sometimes stuck at 0kB for minutes. infact its quite difficult to get connection to peers or seeders now. what a waste of electricity la. now i'm thinking like downgrading to the 384k package la, the rm20. i felt cheated of my hard earn rm66 just to get a lousy 1kB download. tension la like this.

The problem is the file source might still need to come from outside of Streamyx' network. Fansubbed anime is a good example, since the majority of the seeders/distributors for fansub groups tend to be based outside of Malaysia; you still need to get that file through other means or at least wait for it to trickle through before the file can be seeded here.

In other news, one of the companies that first used DPI seems to have given up on it, at least for one of their premium packages. If TMNet is going to drop this throttling, you can be sure that it will not be a complete drop.

i agree with wat you said...but at least its much better than the current state...since v malaysians aren't that generous when it comes to seeding..i certainly hope they will max out their upload rate and ratio...at least its better than nothing....

In the meantime, why don't everyone use a client with a distributed peer system thingy like Azureus or something? With a large enough Malaysian userbase, we could have distribution without a tracker.

DPI and other advancd traffic shaping hardware principles are likely going to spread, so (optimistically) it's only a matter of time before the major BT clients implement some kind of workaround.

This post has been edited by littlefox: Sep 28 2006, 11:08 PM

LOL! And I hope you are maxing out your upload rates as well.

Been doing just that. I've been uploading at 30+ kB/s since BT speeds starting going down the drain. It's great when I find a fellow streamyx user uploading well, but it pisses me off when someone's leeching my uploads but not giving back. Not saying it's u, sidewinderz, but the guys reading this who still keep their upload rates at 10kB/s, you know who you are.

If our BT speeds from international peers sucks, while BT speeds from local users are great, then the logical step is to increase sharing among local users.

I'd like to see a BT software that:
1. Helps prioritize uploads / downloads to local users / IPs
2. Lets me monitor local user's upload / download rates so that I kick/ban them for not sharing. (I know Azureus lets u, but utorrent doesn't)

But that still leaves the issue of a clogged international pipeline. If you are the lone Malaysian downloader, you're pretty much SOL. I know other friends of mine who download the torrents as I do, but they may not necessarily be downloading at the same time. It would be good if my BT software can wake up their BT software so that instead of one Malaysian BT user connected to an international tracker, you get 10, or 20, or 50... at the same time. Sorta like a BT friendster - you form a BT group centered around a particular series / show... and the first person who downloads the torrents has his BT software instruct the group members' BT softwares to start downloading simultaneously.

Meanwhile, my BT rates still sucks following the upgrade exercise. I'm happy if I get 20kB/s, delirious if hit past 30+kB/s. Needless to say, I've not been happy much, let alone delirious.

I did call streamyx to complain about poor access to international sites (also have this problem). I got a report number, and they called me back, told me that they reset my port, and said they considered this case closed. If i still have problems, I'm supposed to call and complain again. Well, still having problems... and I'm just too tired to deal with the streamyx people again.