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'Offending' the Tai Sui is actually just a figure of speech. In truth, the Tai Sui probably doesn't even know you exist, being an impersonal cosmic force.

As the Tai Sui star travels across the sky, it passes through the stellar sectors corresponding to various constellations and therefore zodiac signs.  The resulting interplay of cosmic energies (conflict between the energy of the Tai Sui star and that of the various constellations) exerts an effect on people whose birth dates correspond these zodiac signs. This effect can be quite devastating, resulting in physical illness, misfortune and the like. Rituals to 'appease' the Tai Sui (in actual fact, to stave off the negative interplay of cosmic energy) are thus performed in order to avoid adverse effects.

The seemingly random ill-effects that Tai Sui can cause have led to its personification as a wrathful deity by the name of Marshal Yin Qiao/殷郊, whose story is a tragic one.

The son of the cruel King Zhou of the Shang Dynasty, Yin Jiao was born a formless lump of flesh. His father's equally wicked concubine, Da Ji the fox spirit, convinced King Wu to execute Yin Jiao's mother, the queen, on account of her 'giving birth to a monster'. Abandoned in the forest, the lump of flesh was discovered by He Xian Gu of the Eight Immortals (whom I have spoken about earlier in this thread). She recognised it for an immortal embryo; cutting it open, she retrieved a healthy baby boy from within and raised him like her own child.

Yin Jiao developed tremendous magical power as he grew up. When he came of age, He Xian Gu revealed to him the truth behind his birth; he flew into a terrible rage and swore revenge for his mother. Yin Jiao joined forces with a rebel alliance who sought to overthrow his father, and helped them to seize power after a series of massive battles. Da Ji died at Yin Jiao's hand, while King Zhou committed suicide rather than surrender.

Having such a messed up childhood, it's small wonder that he's so angry all the time and randomly lashes out - well, that's how the story attempts to explain the abovementioned cosmic principles, anyway. sweat.gif
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Of course, a very clear and detailed explanation by our in house expert nachtsider biggrin.gif
Another question to ask, I did a search on King Zhou and according to the English wiki he is deified as the "God of Sodomy" I kid you not (the title rather makes him sound like some greek God to me tongue.gif), whilst the chinese version elevates him to a more pleasant sounding 天喜星.
Why would someone as evil as he was even gets to be deified?
Now this may be out of topic, but perhaps do you have some interest in Tibetan Buddhism too?
Given the fact that both Sintua and Tibetan Buddhism have a penchant for kickass, rock star alike wrathful deities tongue.gif
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QUOTE(draco4 @ Mar 20 2015, 03:40 PM)
Of course, a very clear and detailed explanation by our in house expert nachtsider  biggrin.gif
Another question to ask, I did a search on King Zhou and according to the English wiki he is deified as the "God of Sodomy" I kid you not (the title rather makes him sound like some greek God to me tongue.gif), whilst the chinese version elevates him to a more pleasant sounding 天喜星.
Why would someone as evil as he was even gets to be deified?
Now this may be out of topic, but perhaps do you have some interest in Tibetan Buddhism too?
Given the fact that both Sintua and Tibetan Buddhism have a penchant for kickass, rock star alike wrathful deities  tongue.gif
King Zhou was, indeed, infamous for his degenerate habits and perverse ways, but I would not put stock in any claims that he has been deified. The alignment of Chinese folk religion is very much 'lawful good', with no place for evil-doers amongst its pantheon. Even the few former rebels like the Monkey King and the King of Ghosts are fully reformed/rehabilitated and now serve the cause of righteousness.

Tibetan Buddhism intrigues me, but I know virtually nothing about the subject matter, lol. This I am slowly trying to rectify by mingling closer with a few acquaintances who are devout practitioners. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(draco4 @ Mar 20 2015, 03:40 PM)
Of course, a very clear and detailed explanation by our in house expert nachtsider  biggrin.gif
Another question to ask, I did a search on King Zhou and according to the English wiki he is deified as the "God of Sodomy" I kid you not (the title rather makes him sound like some greek God to me tongue.gif), whilst the chinese version elevates him to a more pleasant sounding 天喜星.
Why would someone as evil as he was even gets to be deified?
Now this may be out of topic, but perhaps do you have some interest in Tibetan Buddhism too?
Given the fact that both Sintua and Tibetan Buddhism have a penchant for kickass, rock star alike wrathful deities  tongue.gif
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Since you mention King Zhou, let me say something outside of this thread's general topic.

King Zhou of Shang 商纣王, the last King of Shang dynasty商朝 (Around BCE 17th century till BCE 11th century), is not named as Zhou 纣, after all.

His real name is Zi Shou子受 (some claim is Zi Shou De 子受德).

After his defeat in the Battle of Mu Ye 牧野之战 to the famous King Wu of Zhou 周武王, he burn himself to death at Deer Terrace Pavilion 鹿台.

King Wu of Zhou then gave him the posthumous name谥号 of Zhou 纣, citing him as the one “that destroy Righteousness and harm virtuos” 残义损善曰纣.

While at the same time, his people gave him the posthumous name of Xin 辛 (One of the Heavenly Stem of the Sexagenary Cycle System), which till today, most scholar have no idea what it signifies.

Also, if you read ancient Chinese history close enough, you will find that his so called "evilness" highly resemble those in the King Jie夏桀王 of the previous Xia Empire 夏朝

Maybe this is some work of defamation, huh? laugh.gif
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QUOTE(JunJun04035 @ Mar 21 2015, 08:16 AM)
Since you mention King Zhou, let me say something outside of this thread's general topic.

King Zhou of Shang 商纣王, the last King of Shang dynasty商朝 (Around BCE 17th century till BCE 11th century), is not named as Zhou 纣, after all.

His real name is Zi Shou子受 (some claim is Zi Shou De 子受德).

After his defeat in the Battle of Mu Ye 牧野之战 to the famous King Wu of Zhou 周武王, he burn himself to death at Deer Terrace Pavilion 鹿台.

King Wu of Zhou then gave him the posthumous name谥号 of Zhou 纣, citing him as the one “that destroy Righteousness and harm virtuos” 残义损善曰纣.

While at the same time, his people gave him the posthumous name of Xin 辛 (One of the Heavenly Stem of the Sexagenary Cycle System), which till today, most scholar have no idea what it signifies.

Also, if you read ancient Chinese history close enough, you will find that his so called "evilness" highly resemble those in the King Jie夏桀王 of the previous Xia Empire 夏朝

Maybe this is some work of defamation, huh?  laugh.gif
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QUOTE(JunJun04035 @ Mar 21 2015, 08:16 AM)
Since you mention King Zhou, let me say something outside of this thread's general topic.

King Zhou of Shang 商纣王, the last King of Shang dynasty商朝 (Around BCE 17th century till BCE 11th century), is not named as Zhou 纣, after all.

His real name is Zi Shou子受 (some claim is Zi Shou De 子受德).

After his defeat in the Battle of Mu Ye 牧野之战 to the famous King Wu of Zhou 周武王, he burn himself to death at Deer Terrace Pavilion 鹿台.

King Wu of Zhou then gave him the posthumous name谥号 of Zhou 纣, citing him as the one “that destroy Righteousness and harm virtuos” 残义损善曰纣.

While at the same time, his people gave him the posthumous name of Xin 辛 (One of the Heavenly Stem of the Sexagenary Cycle System), which till today, most scholar have no idea what it signifies.

Also, if you read ancient Chinese history close enough, you will find that his so called "evilness" highly resemble those in the King Jie夏桀王 of the previous Xia Empire 夏朝

Maybe this is some work of defamation, huh?  laugh.gif
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I did read of the alternate version from historian claiming of different events, but as it remains, I'm just quoting from the 封神演义,
as nacht has did when referencing about Tai Sui 殷郊(I mean come on,the King's surname is Zi子,how did it suddenly become 殷?)
from that standpoint it's undisputable that 姜尚 had King Zhou listed on as the 天喜星 star, no?

QUOTE(nachtsider @ Mar 21 2015, 08:20 AM)
Shhh.

When the legend becomes fact, print the legend.  laugh.gif
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Of course, you have a point, but to stick within the relevance of this thread, we are looking from the aspect of the folk legend,
since nobody can actually verify what transpired during that period.
It seems that he even has a temple of his own though I think there's just a small minority left which actually worships him? hmm.gif
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QUOTE(draco4 @ Mar 21 2015, 04:46 PM)
I did read of the alternate version from historian claiming of different events, but as it remains, I'm just quoting from the 封神演义,
as nacht has did when referencing about Tai Sui 殷郊(I mean come on,the King's surname is Zi子,how did it suddenly become 殷?)
from that standpoint it's undisputable that 姜尚 had King Zhou listed on as the 天喜星 star, no?
Of course, you have a point, but to stick within the relevance of this thread, we are looking from the aspect of the folk legend,
since nobody can actually verify what transpired during that period.
It seems that he even has a temple of his own though I think there's just a small minority left which actually worships him? hmm.gif
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I'm not a professional of 封神演义, but since it's a historical romance novel, I'll say that you shouldn't be to serious about it's "facts".

BTW, just to clarify, Yin 殷 is the name of the Dynasty, not the king's surname. It's a Chinese tradition to specify the dynasty together with the king, so that there is less confusion.

Such as, there is a lot 太宗 武帝 in Chinese history.

To be specific, it may be the唐太宗 or 明太宗; 汉武帝 or 魏武帝.

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i sense hell deities can help us instead heaven deities. because we are earth close to hell. same as earth deities
heaven deities enjoy life in heaven
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can i know nine empire story? every year around september they will come earth and many people go pray at them
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QUOTE(meistsh_musical @ Mar 22 2015, 05:16 PM)
i sense hell deities can help us instead heaven deities.  because we are earth close to hell. same as earth deities
heaven deities enjoy life in heaven
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I do say in the opposite way.
In the sense of helping, deities that often seek for are Guan Yin, Ji Gong, Lord Zhang, Lord Guan and both Elder & Second Brother.

They are mostly from the heaven deities, don't they?

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QUOTE(JunJun04035 @ Mar 23 2015, 04:22 AM)
I do say in the opposite way.
In the sense of helping, deities that often seek for are Guan Yin, Ji Gong, Lord Zhang, Lord Guan and both Elder & Second Brother.

They are mostly from the heaven deities, don't they?

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ji gong mostly at earth
guan yi, have to pray for her student come
elder and second brother also stay at earth enjoy
lord zhang lord guan just a guardian saint for door.. they stay at earth too as gatekeeper
correct me if i was wrong

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The Nine Emperor 九皇大帝
The Nine Emperor is nine Lord of Star 星君 that is believed was the Lord of the Big Dipper 北斗七星 (贪狼,巨门,禄存,文曲,廉贞,武曲,破军) and another two companion star (which is invisible to naked eye) 左辅星、右弼星

Their full name are as below (As according to α、β、γ、δ、ε、ζ、η)
- Tan Lang Tai Xing Jun 貪狼太星君 1st Star
- Ju Men Yuan Xing Jun 巨門元星君 2nd Star
- Lu Cun Zhen Xing Jun 祿存貞星君 3rd Star
- Wen Qu Niu Xing Jun 文曲紐星君 4th Star
- Lian Zhen Gang Xing Jun 廉貞綱星君 5th Star
- Wu Qu Ji Xing Jun 武曲紀星君 6th Star
- Po Jun Guan Xing Jun 破軍關星君 7th Star
- Zuo Fu Da Dao Xing Jun 左輔大道星君 8th Star
- You Bi Da Dao Xing Jun 右弼大道星君 9th Star

Also, the other names that refer to the Big Dipper includes: 天枢、天璇、天玑、天权、玉衡、开阳、摇光。

They were believed to be the son's of The Mother of Dipper Stars 斗姆元君 (She is also often portrayed as the Mother of All Star).

The Nine Emperor Festivals
The Nine Emperor Festivals held over the eve of the Ninth month of Chinese calendar, where the Nine Emperor were invoke and welcome to earth to be prayed for blessings. The festivals often last 9 days, at held at temples dedicated to the Nine Emperor. Devotees often seen praying along side waterways (especially river and sea side) due to it is believed that the Nine Emperor arrive at Earth via waterways.

Devotees often prep themselves extensively so that they are ready to accept the blessing from the Nine Emperor. For those who is capable of (young, male) often go fasting, or at least take up vegetarian diet for a few day (3 to 10 days) prior to the Festival 斋戒持素. For most devotees, vegetarian meal for the first day is a common practice.

Also, temples that are celebrating Nine Emperor Festival will hang Lantern (or any modern equivalent) up high using bamboo pole 立竹嵩. This is to act as a beacon to helps the Emperors to find their ways to Earth and his devotes.

On the day of the festivals, devotees often wear all white garments, so even without shoes. Praying activities last all day long but the atmosphere will change dramatically during the night, turning the festival into a carnival. Praying activities include Passing Ping An Bridge 过平安桥 and others.

The mediums will perform other divine act such as climbing knife mountain 爬刀山 and walking across burning charcoal 过火坑. Those devotees that had prep themselves will also follow the medium to walk over the charcoal, for blessings from the Nine Emperor.

It's was widely believed and considered as a good sign when it started to rain during the Nine Emperor Festivals.

By the Ninth day of the festival, the climax of the celebration comes with a carnival alike procession which the devotees will carry the statue of the Nine Emperor (most of the time is portrayed sit in a boat) to the nearest waterways. Devotees will kneel and pray when the statue is released into the water, signifying that the Nine Emperor had return to their realm.

The Nine Emperor Festivals also celebrated in Southern China, Thailand, Taiwan and Singapore with different variation unique to their own culture.


Other legend about The Nine Emperor
Many claims that the Nine Emperor are not mere Star Lord, but also once human character that had sacrifice greatly and thus deified so that the people will always appreciate of what they have did to this better world we are now living today.

Some famous legends include
- The Nine Emperor is the Nine famous ruler of ancient (even considered mythical) China: 盘古、伏羲、神农、燧人、黄帝、颛顼、高辛、太昊、少昊
- The Nine Emperor is the 9 sons of Dou Mu 斗姆and King Zhou Yu周御王: 天英、天任、天柱、天心、天禽、天辅、天冲、天芮、天
蓬. This legends is believed to have Indian legends roots.
- Other legends cite that the 9 sons of Dou Mu 斗姆and King Zhou Yu周御王 are 勾陈大帝, 紫微大帝 and the big dipper 7 Lord of Star. Together they are the Nine Emperor.
- Some legends says that the Nine Emperor are last nine members of the Association of Heaven and Earth 天地会 that had protected the last bloodlines of Ming Dynasty, that they fled from mainland China after China was conquered by the Manchurians. (This legend is supported by Ampang Nine Emperor Temple)




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QUOTE(JunJun04035 @ Mar 25 2015, 04:04 AM)
The Nine Emperor 九皇大帝

The Nine Emperor is nine Lord of Star 星君 that is believed was the Lord of the Big Dipper 北斗七星 (贪狼,巨门,禄存,文曲,廉贞,武曲,破军) and another two companion star (which is invisible to naked eye) 左辅星、右弼星

Their full name are as below (As according to α、β、γ、δ、ε、ζ、η)
- Tan Lang Tai Xing Jun (貪狼太星君)1st Star
- Ju Men Yuan Xing Jun (巨門元星君) 2nd Star
- Lu Cun Zhen Xing Jun (祿存貞星君) 3rd Star
- Wen Qu Niu Xing Jun (文曲紐星君) 4th Star
- Lian Zhen Gang Xing Jun (廉貞綱星君) 5th Star
- Wu Qu Ji Xing Jun (武曲紀星君) 6th Star
- Po Jun Guan Xing Jun (破軍關星君) 7th Star
- Zuo Fu Da Dao Xing Jun (左輔大道星君) 8th Star
- You Bi Da Dao Xing Jun (右弼大道星君) 9th Star

Also, the other names that refer to the Big Dipper includes: 天枢、天璇、天玑、天权、玉衡、开阳、摇光。

They were believed to be the son's of The Mother of Dipper Stars 斗姆元君 (She is also often portraits as the mother of all star).

The Nine Emperor Festivals held over the eve of the Ninth month of Chinese calendar, where the Nine Emperor were invoke and welcome to earth to be prayed for blessings. The festivals often last 9 days, at held at temples dedicated to the Nine Emperor. Devotees often seen praying along side waterways (especially river and sea side) due to it is believed that the Nine Emperor arrive at Earth via waterways.

Devotees often prep themselves extensively so that they are ready to accept the blessing from the Nine Emperor. For those who is capable of (young, male) often go fasting, or at least take up vegetarian diet for a few day prior to the Festival(斋戒持素). For most devotees, vegetarian meal for the first day is a common practice.

Also, temples that are celebrating Nine Emperor Festival will hang Lantern (or any modern equivalent) up high using bamboo pole (立竹嵩). This is to act as a beacon to helps the Emperors to find their ways to Earth and his devotes.

On the day of the festivals, devotees often wear all white garments, so even without shoes. Praying activities last all day long but the atmosphere will change dramatically during the night, turning the festival into  a carnival. Praying activities include Passing Ping An Bridge 过平安桥 and others.

The mediums will perform other divine act such as climbing knife mountain爬刀山 and walking across burning charcoal过火坑. Those devotees that had prep themselves will also follow the medium to walk over the charcoal.

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I have never seen the "statue" of Nine Emperor b4 as the old folks say we are not allowed to see him & he is not visible. Is there such things?
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I have never seen the "statue" of Nine Emperor b4 as the old folks say we are not allowed to see him & he is not visible. Is there such things?
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QUOTE(dp82 @ Mar 25 2015, 10:01 AM)
I have never seen the "statue" of Nine Emperor b4 as the old folks say we are not allowed to see him & he is not visible. Is there such things?
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This is the mostly believed version of Nine Emperors in Malaysia, which supported by Ampang Nine Emperor Temple.

People believed that the Nine Emperor is nine member of the Association of Heaven and Earth 天地会, which they protected the bloodline of Ming Dynasty from the invasion of Manchurians. Since they are deemed as rebellions by the authority, any praying or worshipping activities about them is prohibited.

Thus, the people created the Nine Emperor Legends that fits their hidden identity, and worship them, to appreciate for what they had done.

The names of the chivalrous individual could not be named, nor their faces cann carved on statues, so that the praying activity can avoid being detected by the authority.

Hence the secrecy behind the Nine Emperor.

Also, it was believed that these nine men sacrifices their life at a beach at southern china, thus the Nine Emperor Festivals is always related to waterways, i.e the Nine Emperor come and go via water ways, the Nine Emperor sit in ships, raining is good sign etc.
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QUOTE(JunJun04035 @ Mar 25 2015, 04:06 PM)
This is the mostly believed version of Nine Emperors in Malaysia, which supported by Ampang Nine Emperor Temple.

People believed that the Nine Emperor is nine member of the Association of Heaven and Earth 天地会, which they protected the bloodline of Ming Dynasty from the invasion of Manchurians. Since they are deemed as rebellions by the authority, any praying or worshipping activities about them is prohibited.

Thus, the people created the Nine Emperor Legends that fits their hidden identity, and worship them, to appreciate for what they had done.

The names of the chivalrous individual could not be named, nor their faces cann carved on statues, so that the praying activity can avoid being detected by the authority.   

Hence the secrecy behind the Nine Emperor.

Also, it was believed that these nine men sacrifices their life at a beach at southern china, thus the Nine Emperor Festivals is always related to waterways, i.e the Nine Emperor come and go via water ways, the Nine Emperor sit in ships, raining is good sign etc.
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Nice info. Didnt know bout this. Some even said Nine Emperor is headless. So its forbidden to c him..

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QUOTE(dp82 @ Mar 25 2015, 10:01 AM)
I have never seen the "statue" of Nine Emperor b4 as the old folks say we are not allowed to see him & he is not visible. Is there such things?
The Nine Emperors are beings of great cosmic power, whose bombastic energy, akin to nuclear fire, would not be tolerable for prolonged periods.

Under normal circumstances, their images are kept within sealed chambers, behind heavy curtains or closed doors (see first picture below).

During their festival days, however, their images are revealed with great pomp and ceremony (the second picture is a statue of the second of the Nine Emperors).

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let me just say thanks to all contributors to this thread, it has been a wonderful discovery and enlightening journey. Now I know my gods/goddess better
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let me just say thanks to all contributors to this thread, it has been a wonderful discovery and enlightening journey. Now I know my gods/goddess better
No problem. I intend to keep this thread fun and educational. biggrin.gif

Here are two excellent videos featuring mediums channelling Na Zha, Shan Cai, the Monkey King and three pairs of Black and White Brothers.




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华人传统葬礼 Chinese Traditional Funeral

Life is a journey, where there was a point you arrived and there were the time when you will departing this world. Different race and culture practices very different funeral service, even though these services is all aim to enable us to pay our last respect, remembering or even sanctifying the one we loved and we will be missing for the rest or the time.

Most of the local Malaysian Chinese still practices a very traditional funeral service, which is a heavily influenced by Taoism and Buddhism. The foundation is mostly derived by the doctrines and practices of the local folk religion (aka Sin Tua 神坛). Notably, there is no universal guideline that everyone need to follow, and there is lots of variation maybe added to the service by different sub-group of Chinese (Hakka, Cantonese, Hokien, Teo Chew etc).

Main Procedure of Chinese Traditional Funeral

Last Goodbye / Rushing Home 送终 奔丧
The Chinese is a very family oriented race, where filial piety 孝 is always the core foundation of the family. All of the direct family member will try their best to be together with the one that is on the deathbed, to embrace his departure together. This is knew as the "Last Goodbye" 送终. Anyone that are unable to be there will at least required to drop all their matter and rushes home 奔丧.

Most critically ill Chinese will choose to depart at their home, where they believed that is where they are belonged.

Preparation for Service 小殓 入殓
After the departed had been certified, the Chinese will cleans the body with clean water and damp clothes, then dress their loved one in special garments (grave clothing) 寿衣. Most Chinese will choose traditional Tang Zhuang 唐装, other outfits, such as business suits is also common among younger or modern Chinese.

Since the Chinese believes in reincarnation 轮回转世, thus it is a common thing not to dress the departed with fur or leather, because it signifies that the departed will be reincarnated into an animal.



Notifying the relatives 报丧
After the family had confirmed the details of the funeral service, they will start notifying the relatives, mostly via phone. The sequence of the notifying procedure is determined by seniority and closeness to the family. Most modern Chinese will also includes obituaries in local newspaper.

The Prayer 停灵

Night guard 守灵

Dress Code 丧服

Casing the coffin 大殓

Burial 出殡 下葬

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