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 The Official Lowyat.NET Sintua Thread, A thread on Chinese folk religion.

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post Mar 11 2015, 10:02 AM

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QUOTE(bereev @ Mar 11 2015, 09:43 AM)
every long show sure come across problem of stop sponsorship and management change issue the documentary type guaitan stop is due to the company director change to a Christian lady that not like too many superstitious program in the program list so the sponsor start back off , original director and back stage staff leaving the show, and the Szeto sifu come in as the time to rescue the Guaitan program by doing this active ghost/spirit disturb using model girls to gain back the viewing rate. The broadcasting company is pay per subscription service like astrol  not free TV program, HK has many this type of TV so when one of the flagship program not doing well, subscription is drop. They need to do many way to survive the show.
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thanks...didn't know many what happened backend to the show...i don't read much Chinese so not many channels to read about Chinese gossip world..

currently is there any other similar show being broadcast?

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QUOTE(bereev @ Mar 11 2015, 10:07 AM)
still continue, 2015 season just aired 7th March, featuring Sarawak , i am not yet watch.
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In the past I actually watch on youtube....that depends if there are kind people to upload it....any other way to watch?
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post Mar 11 2015, 04:12 PM

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QUOTE(bereev @ Mar 11 2015, 10:07 AM)
still continue, 2015 season just aired 7th March, featuring Sarawak , i am not yet watch.
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Is it on youtube? How can we watch it?
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post Mar 11 2015, 09:12 PM

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Alright already. Let's not turn this into a Guai Tan discussion thread. tongue.gif
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post Mar 11 2015, 10:59 PM

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It was happened last year so since i saw this thread, try to ask maybe can give clearer picture/knowledge?
The master did explain same to your point no.1, hence the sword thing. Then never dare to go the temple again.
We did ask our friend nearby in Setapak about the temple, is a long established temple and the people there are very helpful, patiently explain and make things right .

I was thinking that time maybe my friend pray the wrong way? Because 1st time. Pray too many deities? or maybe people curse black magic?

Sorry to infiltrate your thread ask this thing. sad.gif

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post Mar 12 2015, 12:45 AM

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QUOTE(Alert_RaZO @ Mar 11 2015, 10:59 PM)
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It was happened last year so since i saw this thread, try to ask maybe can give clearer picture/knowledge?
The master did explain same to your point no.1, hence the sword thing. Then never dare to go the temple again.
We did ask our friend nearby in Setapak about the temple, is a long established temple and the people there are very helpful, patiently explain and make things right .

I was thinking that time maybe my friend pray the wrong way? Because 1st time. Pray too many deities? or maybe people curse black magic?

Sorry to infiltrate your thread ask this thing.  sad.gif
Another possibility worth considering is that this 'master' is not as reputable as your friend thinks he is.

Those who associate with disreputable people can often suffer ill effects if they encounter a righteous deity.

But all this is speculation, really.
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post Mar 12 2015, 09:09 AM

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QUOTE(bereev @ Mar 12 2015, 08:28 AM)
Nacht can tell story about 四大金钢 the one carry music instrument are they the door guard 门神  ?
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The Four Heavenly Kings, They are the protector of four Dvipa.

Collectively, they are the members of 二十诸天 The Twenty Protector God of Dharma.

多闻天王 Vaisravana, aka "he who hears everything"
He is the chief of Four Kings, the protector of North and Ruler of Rain. Holds either umbrella or pagoda in his right hand, and sometimes, he is depicted with a mouse in his left hands. He is mostly found in greenish skin with thick armour. He is also the God of Wealth in Ancient Indian Culture.

广目天王 Virudhaka, aka "he who causes to grow"
He is the protector of the south. He is the ruler of the wind. His symbolic weapon is the sword which he carries in his right hand to protect Dharma. Often depicts in Blueish skin tone with thick armour.

持国天王 Dhrtarastra, aka "he who upholds the realm"
He is the protector the east and God of music. His symbolic weapon is the Pipa琵琶 (a Chinese stringed instrument). He is often associates with Harmonious and often depicts as a protector. Pale/white skin tone.

增长天王 Virupaksa, aka "he who sees all"
He is the protector the west. He often depicts with a snake/red cord/dragon over his right hand, and a large pearl in the left hand. He has a Red Skin tone. He is often associates with obedience.


Colloquially, there is a Chinese idioms 风调雨顺 (Literally Good smooth weather), which often being related to the Four Kings:
风 : Virudhaka
调 : Dhrtarastra
雨 : Vaisravana
顺 : Virupaksa

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post Mar 12 2015, 10:24 AM

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QUOTE(bereev @ Mar 12 2015, 08:28 AM)
Nacht can tell story about 四大金钢 the one carry music instrument are they the door guard 门神  ?
Well, it looks like Junjun's beaten me to the punch, lol.

I'll just add that they are not Door Gods, and that their items have magic powers.

Vaisravana's umbrella is a trapping device akin to the ghost trap from Ghostbusters, sucking evil beings into its depths when opened - it can also instigate storms and earthquakes.

Virudhaka's sword is capable of multiplying into a virtual typhoon of flying blades that he can fully control.

The music from Dhrtarastra's pipa has a mind control effect.

Virupaksa's pearl permits him control of the many magical beasts he rears as pets, which include his serpent (which can transform into a magic whip, much like Lord Zhang's cobra) plus a creature often referred to as a flying elephant that he uses as a mount, but seems more gryphon-like in some accounts.
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QUOTE(nachtsider @ Mar 12 2015, 10:24 AM)
Well, it looks like Junjun's beaten me to the punch, lol.

I'll just add that they are not Door Gods, and that their items have magic powers.

Vaisravana's umbrella is a trapping device akin to the ghost trap from Ghostbusters, sucking evil beings into its depths when opened - it can also instigate storms and earthquakes.

Virudhaka's sword is capable of multiplying into a virtual typhoon of flying blades that he can fully control.

The music from Dhrtarastra's pipa has a mind control effect.

Virupaksa's pearl permits him control of the many magical beasts he rears as pets, which include his serpent (which can transform into a magic whip, much like Lord Zhang's cobra) plus a creature often referred to as a flying elephant that he uses as a mount, but seems more gryphon-like in some accounts.
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so actually they are CHinese Gods or Indian?
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QUOTE(thoseeyes @ Mar 12 2015, 10:32 AM)
so actually they are CHinese Gods or Indian?
They have Hindu-Buddhist roots.

This applies to quite a number of Chinese gods, actually.
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QUOTE(nachtsider @ Mar 12 2015, 11:50 AM)
They have Hindu-Buddhist roots.

This applies to quite a number of Chinese gods, actually.
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if i'm not wrong...Four Face Buddha is one of them right?
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QUOTE(thoseeyes @ Mar 12 2015, 12:02 PM)
if i'm not wrong...Four Face Buddha is one of them right?
The 'Four-Faced Buddha' is in fact not a Buddha at all, but the Hindu god Brahma given a Thai interpretation.
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Who is Ji Gong?

Li Xiu Yuan/李修元 was born with a silver spoon in his mouth during the Southern Song Dynasty, the only son of a prominent statesman. Seemingly destined for a life of luxury, all that changed when his parents were killed in a terrible fire that also destroyed the family homestead and fortune. The kindly abbot of a nearby monastery took the tragically orphaned boy under his wing and cared for him. Xiu Yuan eventually took his monk's vows under the abbot's tutelage.

Maybe it was the traumatic experience of seeing his parents die that left him mentally unbalanced. Maybe it was something else. But the fact is that Xiu Yuan was prone to wildly eccentric behaviour, which included eating meat and drinking wine, telling raucous jokes, meditating while doing headstands, loudly singing nonsensical songs, neglecting his personal hygiene, playing pranks on the other monks and so on. The monastery's occupants could not stand him; it was only thanks to the abbot's influence that he was allowed to stay at the monastery. Perhaps the abbot saw potential hidden beneath the madness, as we shall see, for despite his behaviour, even Xiu Yuan's disgruntled fellow monks were begrudgingly unable to deny that he had an immensely kind heart and was always willing to help those in need, especially the wronged and downtrodden.

Things came to a head when the abbot died; his replacement was not as tolerant and expelled Xiu Yuan from the monastery. Out into the world he ventured, owning nothing but the tattered monk's outfit on his back. Wandering from village to village and town to town, Xiu Yuan more than managed to survive - it was during his travels that he discovered his ability to work miracles, particularly healing the sick, and he received ample support from the numerous people who owed him their lives. Xiu Yuan became known as Ji Gong/济公, 'Our Lord Who Aids and Relieves', as well as Huo Fo/活佛, 'Living Buddha'. His outwardly fatuous exterior belying his considerable street-smarts and cunning, Ji Gong often comes up with simple yet insightful solutions to problems of all kinds, and has overcome many an evil threat through his use of trickery.

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QUOTE(bereev @ Mar 12 2015, 06:53 PM)
oh so they are not folk religion god they are belong to Buddhist, thanks for clarification.
Folk religion subscribes to them, too. But not as commonly as Buddhism does.

QUOTE(bereev @ Mar 12 2015, 06:53 PM)
then the door god is who ?

I already spoke about the Door Gods here:

QUOTE(nachtsider @ Mar 7 2015, 06:33 AM)
Who are the Door Gods?

There exist numerous deities, some named and famous, some anonymous, who serve as the guardians of temple doorways, regulating spiritual ingress/egress to such establishments. They can take different forms, mostly depending on the nature of the temples they protect. For instance, a temple to martial deities like Lord Guan or Na Zha may feature warrior-type door gods, a temple where a goddess such as Ma Zu is enshrined may feature handmaidens or ladies-in-waiting as door gods, and a Hell-associated temple may feature ghostly/undead soldiers as door gods.

That being said, the most well-known pair of Door Gods, whom most people refer to when Door Gods are being discussed, are named Qin Qiong/秦琼...

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... and Wei Chi Gong/尉迟恭.

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You can tell them apart by their complexions. Qin is fair-skinned; Wei is swarthy.

They were a pair of Tang Dynasty noblemen, esteemed generals in the service of Emperor Taizong. When hauntings occurred in the palace, disturbing Taizong's sleep and leaving him seriously ill, the two dukes stood guard every night outside his bedroom door in full armour and wielding their weapons. This put a lid on the haunting. The pair were therefore deified as dispellers of evil spirits thereafter, and their images hung to either side of home doors for this very purpose.

You can pray to the door gods by pasting consecrated pictures of them on the door of your home, and making regular offerings to them; a small incense urn placed near the doorstep will suffice for this.
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post Mar 13 2015, 09:28 AM

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QUOTE(nachtsider @ Mar 12 2015, 10:24 AM)
Well, it looks like Junjun's beaten me to the punch, lol.

I'll just add that they are not Door Gods, and that their items have magic powers.

Vaisravana's umbrella is a trapping device akin to the ghost trap from Ghostbusters, sucking evil beings into its depths when opened - it can also instigate storms and earthquakes.

Virudhaka's sword is capable of multiplying into a virtual typhoon of flying blades that he can fully control.

The music from Dhrtarastra's pipa has a mind control effect.

Virupaksa's pearl permits him control of the many magical beasts he rears as pets, which include his serpent (which can transform into a magic whip, much like Lord Zhang's cobra) plus a creature often referred to as a flying elephant that he uses as a mount, but seems more gryphon-like in some accounts.
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U MAD BRO? laugh.gif


Sorry, joking. I'm just free. unsure.gif

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Who are Shan Cai and Yu Nu?

Guan Yin is often shown accompanied by two children, a boy and a girl. These are her faithful attendants/disciples, Shan Cai/善才 (Sudhana in Sanskrit) and Yu Nu/玉女, the Jade Maiden (sometimes also known as Long Nu/龙女 or Dragon Maiden). They are as congenial and loving as brother and sister, despite hailing from very different backgrounds, and regard Guan Yin not merely as their teacher, but almost as a mother, too.

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Shan Cai was a crippled young lad from India who became one of the very first Buddhists. Despite being lame in one leg, he travelled single-handedly, over land and sea, from India to the east, where Guan Yin resided, in order to learn the Dharma from her. Guan Yin, touched by his dedication, healed his disability and appointed him as her pageboy.

Shan Cai is often depicted in a 'standing-on-one-leg' pose. This is a reference to his penchant for performing sacred dances, and his former disability.

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Yu Nu/Long Nu is not human, contrary to outward appearances. She is in fact a dragon, as her name suggests - the daughter of the Dragon King of the Eastern Sea, who, after witnessing Guan Yin rescue a shoal of sea creatures (her and her father's subjects) that were beached after a storm, was so touched and impressed by by Guan Yin's compassion, that she pleaded with her father for permission to take Buddhist vows and become Guan Yin's disciple. The Dragon King gave her his blessing, and Yu Nu now serves as Guan Yin's handmaiden.

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post Mar 13 2015, 04:11 PM

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Hello

Can i ask for chinese translation here?hehe
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QUOTE(JorgePereira @ Mar 13 2015, 04:11 PM)
Hello

Can i ask for chinese translation here?hehe
What do you need Chinese translations for?

I have already provided translations for all the Chinese words and names that I have posted here.
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QUOTE(nachtsider @ Mar 13 2015, 02:11 PM)
Who are Shan Cai and Yu Nu?

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九阴军 and 善财 all together?

I though they were from two different side

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