Its a good bargain hence a good buy. It isn't good to buy. Confused?
Lets not talk about parts, lets talk about how can one handle and take care of their camera. Therefore, it won't rosak. Furthermore, with an additional above RM600 you can get full warranty camera. If one have a budget, why not? I didn't have extra cash when I bought my Canon 6D. I bought a grey set. The money saved from buying Canon Malaysia set, I bought a grey unit of Sigma 50mm 1.4. Good bargain hence a good buy.

To the TS, cakap orang melayu, ikut you punya poket mau beli apa dan boleh beli apa. Stretching your budget will kill you IF:
- you think photography is a waste of time
- you feel you suck
- you have no more money to buy other accessories

Again, Good Luck!

tl;dr all 5 pages, browse through the first page tho.

im not a pro, but i've been in this line of work for at least 4 years. on and off, accepting freelance assignments since 2010.

i also recommend you to get a second 60D or D7000 as per mentioned by one of our lyn admin at the first page. most of my working senior also recommend that getting second hand (official import set) stuff is much more worth it than getting a new one, unless you have a lot of money. Ofcourse, as a smart consumer, always do proper research before dealing.

This post has been edited by AlexLee277: Dec 27 2014, 06:28 PM

my impression is that dude has PMS.
can drift from a point to another irrelevant point.

Of all my gears, only my first body was brand new. The rest are all used. Everything still works well. When getting used items, maybe you can bring an experienced friend along during COD if takut kena con.

And with budget in mind, try out the models you've shortlisted then just pick one you fancy most. If your interest lasts, you'll get the itch to upgrade anyway lol.

ehhhh before this he was very against used items, now after everyone recommending used items he suddenly support pulak

haha, let him be. i dont want to become another 'smart' fella.
i just drop by to gain some photography knowledge.

Dunno what is wrong with supersound, but I vouch for Goldfries. and if Goldfries let go his goods second hand (i care not about gray or non gray or whatever color set), I would buy it off his hands if it's within my budget and if i'm keen for that particular lens / camera body..

I ventured this path around 3-4 years ago if memory serves me right. I was skeptical at first.. believing new is the way to go.. I bought D5100 + 18-55 new.. and a couple of months went by, and the auto focus in my new 18-55 died for no reason.. i didn't drop it or whatsoever (first camera.. sure sayang kaw kaw).. brought it back to nikon and had it fix.

while waiting for the fix, i bought a new 35mm f1.8 to use.. after 18-55 came back, i never had any problems with it for the past 3 years.. my point for this is, even tho it can be new, you may get lemon copy out of bad luck (retailer / nikon didn't do a con job on me).

on the other hand, i've purchased a AIS 55mm f3.5 lens (you can be darn sure that this lens is 2nd hand and is older than me) and it served me so well that even tho it's troublesome to use, full manual and all, i still unwilling to let it go cause it's just so damn good..

I also bought 2 nissin di622 2nd hand from 2 diff LYN forum-ers and both are going strong till today (2 years +) both product didn't have warranty left. only personal warranties..

i did have a problem when i buy a rangefinder film camera, where the shutter leaf doesn't close well for certain shutter speed, and I told the person i bought it from, he agreed to refund to me.. as a matter of fact, he refunded back to me before i even post the camera back to him..

there are good buyers around, just check well the item before purchasing and check the person's trade history..

i deviated far from the topic and back to topic..

here onward is my own personal opinion from experience:

if you have an experienced friend, bring him along to purchase 2nd hand goods. 2nd hand goods will save you some money which you can invest on other things like another prime lens / flash / tripod and etc

decide mirrorless vs dslr.. as mentioned before by other members, the difference in quality is very small unless you really pixel peep or nitpick on certain details.. mirrorless size and weight would be very encouraging to bring out.. even i myself feel lazy to bring dslr out if i just wanna have a walk.. cause of the size and weight of course.. but for my usage, i prefer control over convenience (the placement of buttons for quick access), that's why i would stick with dslr.. but if you not the type that change parameters a lot, i think mirrorless would be a more enjoyable experience..

how good a photo is, depends largely on the person handling the camera rather than the camera itself.. so dun fret too much about the gears and get one that you like, then stick and learn how to handle it..

Dnt get me wrong..d7000 is considered higher level alrdy back in d day for aps-c camera..not full frame la...cuz i started wit d beginner d5100..n kinda regret didnt go for d7000 at d time..if got budget a d7100 is a good investment....but u will not go wrong wit d d7000..always remmber..better a good lens with a decent body than a good body with a crappy lens.

Yup, that's right, what I hate most on DX is the lens selection are quite limited.
I also started with D5100 last time and found if were to change, go for FX

Im not ready for Fx world yet..haha..still looking for 2nd hand d7100 with good value.

hahaha

im also hunting for 2nd hand d7000

but the only problem is i dont know what to check when buying 2nd hand camera ..... is my first camera though ......

Sure you want DSLR??
Do consider mirrorless too

If you intend to do sports/motorsport,DSLR is the way to go
If you intend to do street stuff,mirrorless is better as it is low profile

Basically pick the right tool for the job

For starter,
DSLR:
Canon 60D/700D + 18-55 kitty or 18-135 kitty(18-55 AF will die few years down teh road)
Used D7000 with Tamron 17-50mm F2.8/VC

For used unit,you can buy with reputable camera shop that sell used unit as an alternative(kldslr.com,YL Camera etc etc)

I can tell you that, once you get FX, you burn more money. With DX, you are burning money direct(slower), but with FX, you are adding ethanol before start the fire(very fast money gone)

That's why first camera is best you get a new. From there you learn what is the typical failure.
Do you think all the people that attack me here will be honest to help you? Indeed, they are helping each other to dispose their unwanted junk with higher price.
BTW, spent your time in Nikon Center already?

dude, on 1st page you're the one who started to throw the punch.

people counter / defense only, because your points were misleading.

people sell off their stuff because they don't need, and you can continue the owernship at discounted rate and with warranty, nothing wrong with that.

purchase of used items has been around for ages.

despite joined since 2009, you BARELY even post at photography section, and here you are so boldly accusing the community here of the above - that's really low. You don't know the community here you don't simply paint people having ill-intent please.

LOL the more i read the more i feel funny.. i don't know bout that supersound fella so anti goldfries

Dear TS, if you're just starting up in photography and wanted a camera for learning purpose do go for a used camera. There's no point spending thousands on new camera only to realize later that you need an upgrade after you've master photography.

Speaking for my personal experience, I don't find anything wrong about buying used camera as long as you purchase it from a reputable shop/photographer. Make sure you tested it or bring someone who knows about photography to test out the camera before you make your purchase. I started of with a used Nikon D50+18-70+SB-600 that camera served me for a good 2 years before I upgrade it to a higher end camera. Bear in mind when i upgrade I still keep my lens and SB-600.

With your budget you can actually get a good condition D7000 which packed with tons of feature and enough for a beginner to learn.

Well it's your money after all neither me, supersound or goldfries can decide for you which is good for you. All i can say there's good and bad in everything, up to you to choose which one.

My objective are simple, will you responsible with the additional cost that TS incurred if he got a problem camera and lens?
You may continue to coward away with this and insult/attack me with other points.
My request are dead simple and yet nobody that attack/insult me dare to answer me with a proper answer, instead keep on saying how "lucky" they are and who knows how to take care on their junk before selling. All this are just nonsense.

You have your personal preference but that doesn't mean you should paint the community in negative light when you don't even know the community.

We all know your request is simple - we also know that it's a nonsense challenge, that's why no one wants to take it up.

For people that want to clear their junk, indeed my request are nonsense. But standing as a potential buyer, what protection they have when they are buying junk from seller?

Not every form of clearance is junk. Some people still love the item but no point keeping because sitting there, some people need money after buying expensive item. People sell off for various reasons, that doesn't make them junk.

And I don't know whether your memory failed you or you just failed to understand, or perhaps you just love to generalize used item is without any form of protection.

Here's how things go.

1. NEW - FULL PRICE - FULL WARRANTY
2. Pre-Owned Type 1 - Reduced price - Reduced Warranty
3. Pre-Owned Type 2 - Further reduced price - No warranty from brand, seller may give personal warranty.

There's pros and cons to each, you can't win on everything. BUY NEW you pay more but you get warranty coverage at its maximum.

Buy used, you get to buy more item with same price, or same item with far less cost. Warranty reduced or none.

Aiyo, want to keep on insulting my integrity meh?
But indeed for people that does not have integrity, as for such person, they will attack based on integrity, not based on fact.