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 Need recommendation for DSLR, for beginner

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mingyuyu
post Dec 24 2014, 09:40 PM

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maybe you can refer to some older topics that asked the same question as you smile.gif
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post Dec 25 2014, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Dec 25 2014, 12:05 PM)
That's why all the "pros" here always ask you to get second hand stuffs, this is for them to dispose their junks at higher price.
As if sell to dealers, the price are much lower.
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I guess you have no idea about what you are talking about. Stop being so prejudice and think logically.

I started photography 2 years ago, bought a 550D + 18-135 + 50mm for rm3k. Sold all of them this year, for only rm1.3k total.

I lost rm1.7k.

I bought a used OMD em10 this year, new one costs RM2k+, i bought it for around rm1.7k, the age is around 6 months old. then I bought the 12-40 used that is around 1 year old for rm2.3k, new one is around rm2.6k or higher.

I used rm4k to buy something which should cost rm4.5k or even rm5k brand new. Is buying 2nd hand that bad?

New unit can has problems, same thing with used unit. Warranty doesn't mean anything (look at what happened to the d600s).

Not to mention how many camera shops out there trying to overcharge on accessories such as filters or those silly macro/wideangle adapters, there's user complaining getting cheated on almost every topic of different camera system in this forum. So buying brand new camera is really that good?

Buying 2nd hand has the risk, but please don't simply tag the word "pro" into it, that might mislead newbie thinking professional photographers are a bunch of guys who try to cheat money which is plain bullsh"t.

This post has been edited by mingyuyu: Dec 25 2014, 10:10 PM
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post Dec 25 2014, 10:27 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Dec 25 2014, 10:10 PM)
Now only I know Nikon has come out new model on D600 whistling.gif
You may insult me by boasting how good the second hand stuffs are, but my challenge are dirt simple, will you be responsible for any lost that a person that listened to your "advise"? I'm sure Goldfries don't dare to.
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D600 s, can't you understand simple English?

Seriously, everything that is against you is an insult?

He isn't charging or even has the MUST to give an advice, now TS isn't paying money for him to give advice like how people would pay a lawyer to get an advice, it's totally different. So since you are acting like you are very responsible, do you dare to responsible for the lost of anyone who followed your advice by dropping their lenses and sent for warranty claiming but failed?

Sometimes it's better to just shut up if you have nothing good to say or should I rephrase it, nothing sensible to say.
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post Dec 25 2014, 10:46 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Dec 25 2014, 10:33 PM)
Is you that don't understand simple English, not me. Nobody will simply put a "s" behind number. What is your education level basically? Want to insult me again with your kindergarden level doh.gif
The main difference between me and you guys, I won't simply give "advise" to waste money on classes, simply buy second hand stuffs without considering risk behind.
You may continue to boast around how lucky you are on getting overpriced second hand stuffs but in reality, you have problem and you never tell in forum also can happen.
Buying problematic second hand stuffs even if brought it to tribunal court also not easy.
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The amount of stupidity is too high already, have fun. thumbup.gif
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post Dec 25 2014, 10:55 PM

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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Dec 25 2014, 10:50 PM)
I'm a beginner in DSLR world (started 2 months ago). I bought my DSLR used directly from the owner. I got it for 2/5 of the price when it was bought new; which saved me tons of moolah. Used it for work, but mostly for personal purpose now since company provided me a camera too.

That 'junk' when I first got it has less than 900 shutter count. That 'junk' also comes with an extra battery. Warranty? Till 2017. rolleyes.gif

So, not all 'pro' like to sell their 'junk' at high price.

Secondly, when one forumer advised another forumer to possibly go for second hand, then obviously the buyer need to understand the risks associated with second hand items and also research for ways to mitigate or lower the risks. I mean, nobody is stupid enough not to test the item properly before handing over the cash, right? Unless you used to be one and now you are 'once bitten twice shy'.
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be careful, later he says you insulting him and think you are only a kindergarten student tongue.gif
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post Dec 28 2014, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(raymondtong94 @ Dec 28 2014, 01:06 AM)
my impression is that dude has PMS. laugh.gif
can drift from a point to another irrelevant point. laugh.gif
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ehhhh before this he was very against used items, now after everyone recommending used items he suddenly support pulak tongue.gif
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post Dec 30 2014, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(JohnDiew0107 @ Dec 30 2014, 11:31 AM)
for around RM2k+ you can get:
USED
Canon 60D
Nikon D7000

all solid performer, particularly I've handled both 60D and D7000, they perform absolutely well especially when you pair it with quality lens.

NEW
Nikon D5200

If you buy New, I guess only D5200 fits the bill. Or there's any other DSLR choices at the same price range?

Disclaimer:
Buy new, you get full warranty covered.  rclxms.gif  Bonus - you get the feel of unboxing and sniffing that out of box smell.  rclxm9.gif
Buy used, you get high performance stuff at cheaper price. Sometimes you can even get stuff that still under warranty. thumbup.gif

New or Used, it's up to you to decide. If I were in your shoes, I'd choose used because 60D/D7000 simply outperform any new DSLR at that price.
Dude, someone must be sold you a shiat and gone missing.

I feel you bro but you can't go around accusing everyone being the same.

You've been kind trying to warn TS about the potential issue if buying used but instead of telling him EVERYONE is selling junk as 2nd hand, why don't you tell him the pros and cons of buying new and let him decide for himself. I'm pretty sure TS will spend his/her time to study more because in the end he himself will be the one paying for the product.

You keep saying people selling broken junk for other ppl, indeed there are a-holes like that around, just be careful. But in many cases, people letting go their stuff as 2nd hand just because they no longer need the stuff, or they are trying to funding for new stuff.

Painting one's mind only with pros OR cons will just blindly lead him.

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don't reply like this la, later he feels insecure and thinking that you insulted him again. you know you must be responsible for the used items that TS bought if he followed your advice but not the 2nd hand item seller? *sarcasm* yawn.gif
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post Dec 30 2014, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(temptation1314 @ Dec 30 2014, 01:57 PM)
Hello

I bought an used 350D from goldfries, dunno how many years already.
And there's problem with the sensor (light leak or something else)

And he received it back and refund the money fully to me without question.

Before you start labeling people here selling second hand item with ill-intent, look at yourself on the mirror first yea.  smile.gif

PS:350D is the very first DSLR I got on my hand when I started photography; second hand also and bought it from Viking bro.
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later that guy thinks you are just another account of goldfries tongue.gif
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post Dec 30 2014, 03:15 PM

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QUOTE(OC4/3 @ Dec 30 2014, 03:11 PM)
Mirrorless still don't have proper OVF laugh.gif
Buy both instead tongue.gif
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depends actually, EVF takes some time to get used but it's not that bad compared to OVF, especially in magnification and coverage.
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post Dec 30 2014, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(supersound @ Dec 30 2014, 04:05 PM)
So are you trying to praise this photo are good?
For me, it is rubbish as the person who took this photo made a serious mistake.
But again, this is a place for fanboys and po lanpa, sure it will automatically become a good photo.
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what mistake? mind to point out with your master skills?

who knows maybe you are KedaZ's sifu since you talk like you know everything. whistling.gif

talking about fanboyism, you should ask yourself why you aren't the people who has fans but being the opposite. only newbies po your lampa because they know little.
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post Dec 30 2014, 08:05 PM

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QUOTE(adam_lss @ Dec 30 2014, 07:16 PM)
Nah, kasi lu poison a bit, shot this few weeks back tongue.gif

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and trust me, there is no such thing as useless info be it from classes, forums or fb or any open sources!
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why u no spam this in canon thread (i want to ask tips tongue.gif)
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post Dec 31 2014, 01:12 AM

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QUOTE(adam_lss @ Dec 31 2014, 12:09 AM)
Haha coz this thread talk so much about canon/camera jargons that i myself dont understand... honestly, i am very much a noob on cameras/gadgets, i just point n shoot wink.gif
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as long as picture turns out nice, gear knowledge doesn't matter so much already tongue.gif

(unlike those who do plain talking without any photos to back up)

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