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 PROTON SAGA BLM, FL & FLX Thread V66, Jerkyy Dong Dong Chiang

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davidke20
post Feb 25 2015, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(TitanRev @ Feb 25 2015, 10:45 AM)
Flx MT need to find Ford Racing...
I also found out FLX throw out bearing and arm is similar to livina they sell by the whole arm not just the bearing..
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Detachable the rear wheel bearing, just like the front

QUOTE(iskazulka @ Feb 25 2015, 10:50 AM)
sawi got french dna, blm/fl got nissan dna, flx got ford dna, persona got mitsubishi dna but mostly pepel look down on plotong.. because.. it's a plotong.

btw, front and rear bearing is different right?
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post Feb 25 2015, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(TitanRev @ Feb 25 2015, 10:45 AM)
Flx MT need to find Ford Racing...
I also found out FLX throw out bearing and arm is similar to livina they sell by the whole arm not just the bearing..
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Thanks TitanRev

You the Sifu for FLX.
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post Feb 25 2015, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Feb 25 2015, 09:24 AM)
http://www.mudah.my/Brembo+disc+rotor+Pero...vi-20100201.htm

Used to have SAGA for RM150, but seems out of stock. Upon confrontation, the supplier(not this 1 from Mudah, I had it with the 1 in Jalan Ipoh) said it is REAL BREMBO, authorized by the principal to OEM local product. That however, BREMBO said they did not authorize any local agent to use their brand and or to allowed production locally. Even if they do, they'll send in their specialist and make a proper design, just to be sure the quality of their product meets their standard, in order to protect their branding for many coming years.

You do the math lar. DC2 Integra BREMBO disc is about RM3000, I can't brain how SAGA can have a special price of RM200.
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post Feb 25 2015, 01:34 PM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Feb 25 2015, 11:12 AM)
Detachable the rear wheel bearing, just like the front
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You mean Flx rear wheel bearing is detachable. Unlike the FL, Blm series?

Better or what?
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post Feb 25 2015, 01:43 PM

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QUOTE(TitanRev @ Feb 25 2015, 10:45 AM)
Flx MT need to find Ford Racing...
I also found out FLX throw out bearing and arm is similar to livina they sell by the whole arm not just the bearing..
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Good news for me... my magician can do... because .... he is expert on Continental cars.

Now he checking for me pricing for Ori Proton and Ford....

If Ford not so much difference, I will fix Ford...

Then my Gaga promote to Proton Focus 1.3... ha ha ha
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QUOTE(drfeelgood @ Feb 25 2015, 01:34 PM)
You mean Flx rear wheel bearing is detachable. Unlike the FL, Blm series?

Better or what?
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Yes and no.

BLM/FL the spindle is separated from the bearing. It has the advantage of bearing replacement and cost effective for consumer. However, when bearing is not hard fixed into the spindle, chances are each time the bearing damaged, debris will be grinding through the spindle and make the shaft vulnerable over a long period(until bearing being replaced).

FLX(after 2nd batch), the spindle is 1 piece with the bearing built in. No your can't change the bearing only, must change the spindle together. Since the bearing is fixed inside the spindle, it doesn't get damage as often. You often heard BLM/FL/Savvy rear wheel bearing damaged very quickly, whilst never heard of their front bearing got problem. This is because, FLX is now using the similar type of bearing built in spindle. Disadvantage is, since the bearing is built in, if bearing damaged the whole piece of spindle will have to be replaced. Usually the costing is 2~3x of BLM/FL bearings.
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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Feb 25 2015, 01:50 PM)
Yes and no.

BLM/FL the spindle is separated from the bearing. It has the advantage of bearing replacement and cost effective for consumer. However, when bearing is not hard fixed into the spindle, chances are each time the bearing damaged, debris will be grinding through the spindle and make the shaft vulnerable over a long period(until bearing being replaced).

FLX(after 2nd batch), the spindle is 1 piece with the bearing built in. No your can't change the bearing only, must change the spindle together. Since the bearing is fixed inside the spindle, it doesn't get damage as often. You often heard BLM/FL/Savvy rear wheel bearing damaged very quickly, whilst never heard of their front bearing got problem. This is because, FLX is now using the similar type of bearing built in spindle. Disadvantage is, since the bearing is built in, if bearing damaged the whole piece of spindle will have to be replaced. Usually the costing is 2~3x of BLM/FL bearings.
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Ooh so actually First Batch FLX ... should be better kua? Ka ka ka
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QUOTE(drfeelgood @ Feb 25 2015, 02:12 PM)
Ooh so actually First Batch FLX ... should be better kua? Ka ka ka
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No say better or no better. Having the newer FLX with the 1 piece bearing, you get less headache. The barang also tahan lama compare to the old type. But ofcourse, the trade off is more expansive compare to old model. The bright side of having the 1 piece bearing is, you save up time going to workshop change bearing every once in awhile. Not only the 1 piece bearing cost 2~3 times more than the normal bearing, it last 3~5 times longer than the normal bearing as well. So, you choose lar yawn.gif
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post Feb 25 2015, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Feb 25 2015, 11:12 AM)
Detachable the rear wheel bearing, just like the front
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Hahaha David I was mentioning the clutch throw out bearing
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post Feb 25 2015, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Feb 25 2015, 02:21 PM)
No say better or no better. Having the newer FLX with the 1 piece bearing, you get less headache. The barang also tahan lama compare to the old type. But ofcourse, the trade off is more expansive compare to old model. The bright side of having the 1 piece bearing is, you save up time going to workshop change bearing every once in awhile. Not only the 1 piece bearing cost 2~3 times more than the normal bearing, it last 3~5 times longer than the normal bearing as well. So, you choose lar yawn.gif
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Oh ok...

So first batch Flx is still old type like Blm n Fl is it?

If can last longer should be a good trade off...
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post Feb 25 2015, 02:51 PM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Feb 25 2015, 05:24 AM)
OEM Taiwan yawn.gif Regardless what they call it, you know how those fuckers make money by giving different packaging and call it a different name(have seen BREMBO DISC made for GaGa stock size and only selling for RM200?! WADAFAAAAARK). As long u get the cheapest, without packaging, but as long can fit, that is sufficient. You wouldn't know if those bugger put a Taiwan disc into a Plotong packaging and sell you as genuine, unless you send your car back to SC and get SC to do your repair(which likely they're going to put you into a 3 months waiting list for parts ordering and arrival, which you pray hard and hopefully those parts are not Taiwan disc inserted into Plotong packaging) yawn.gif
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Sorry I'm still newbie, Wanna ask now I'm using new Front Mintye Brake Pad, if use OEM Taiwan brake disc is it a good matching? And where can I get OEM Taiwan Disc Brake? thank you ^^
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QUOTE(tysmiracle @ Feb 25 2015, 03:51 PM)
Sorry I'm still newbie, Wanna ask now I'm using new Front Mintye Brake Pad, if use OEM Taiwan brake disc is it a good matching? And where can I get OEM Taiwan Disc Brake? thank you ^^
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OEM is ok la like davidke20 said earlier.
mintye, bosch brake pad is ok for daily use. better brake pads e.g bendix general ct.

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post Feb 25 2015, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(TitanRev @ Feb 25 2015, 02:28 PM)
Hahaha David I was mentioning the clutch throw out bearing
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QUOTE(drfeelgood @ Feb 25 2015, 02:47 PM)
Oh ok...

So first batch Flx is still old type like Blm n Fl is it?

If can last longer should be a good trade off...
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Korek. That is unless you like to visit magician, pay him marnee every once in awhile, the old type is gooding. Coz each time jiu go only pay like RM100 then get a new bearing liao. Whereas if the new type, you only get to visit magician in 5~6 years time, but jiu pay some 300~400 lar yawn.gif
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post Feb 25 2015, 03:31 PM

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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Feb 25 2015, 04:26 PM)
Korek. That is unless you like to visit magician, pay him marnee every once in awhile, the old type is gooding. Coz each time jiu go only pay like RM100 then get a new bearing liao. Whereas if the new type, you only get to visit magician in 5~6 years time, but jiu pay some 300~400 lar yawn.gif
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paying rm100 each time visit magician is ok for me then paying one shot rm400 lol. btw in 3+ years ownage first time change bearing so ok for me
one piece rm100. if 2 is rm200. but flx 2 pc rm800 hailut.com.my
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post Feb 25 2015, 03:38 PM

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QUOTE(tysmiracle @ Feb 25 2015, 02:51 PM)
Sorry I'm still newbie, Wanna ask now I'm using new Front Mintye Brake Pad, if use OEM Taiwan brake disc is it a good matching? And where can I get OEM Taiwan Disc Brake? thank you ^^
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Basically, the pad you choose decides how long the disc will last. Please use BOSCH OEM pads or standard original Plotong pads if you want a long live disc rotor. On the side note, avoid hard driving before sending the car for car wash. If you must, stay behind another 2~3 cars when you reach the car wash, wait until your brakes cool down before rolling in. Everytime gone through flash floods, remember to go home wait until the car cools down, splash water into the brakes and wash away all floating debris/dust/sand/stones that stuck between your brake pads. May not be 100% foolproof, but my longest serviced brake rotor lasted me 4 times skinning in 200,000km, until I sell car and the new owner is still using it yawn.gif

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post Feb 25 2015, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(iskazulka @ Feb 25 2015, 03:31 PM)
paying rm100 each time visit magician is ok for me then paying one shot rm400 lol. btw in 3+ years ownage first time change bearing so ok for me
one piece rm100. if 2 is rm200. but flx 2 pc rm800 hailut.com.my
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Only applicable to the back. Our front bearings are totally the same, which is the expansive type whistling.gif
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post Feb 25 2015, 03:45 PM

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then www.pelanpelantunggu.com.my redirected to wallethailut.com.my
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QUOTE(davidke20 @ Feb 25 2015, 05:38 PM)
Basically, the pad you choose decides how long the disc will last. Please use BOSCH OEM pads or standard original Plotong pads if you want a long live disc rotor. On the side note, avoid hard driving before sending the car for car wash. If you must, stay behind another 2~3 cars when you reach the car wash, wait until your brakes cool down before rolling in. Everytime gone through flash floods, remember to go home wait until the car cools down, splash water into the brakes and wash away all floating debris/dust/sand/stones that stuck between your brake pads. May not be 100% foolproof, but my longest serviced brake rotor lasted me 4 times skinning in 200,000km, until I sell car and the new owner is still using it yawn.gif

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Nice foot, even has hair, something mine has lacked for years.
Nice topic and just the sort I like, folk here would know I'm a fan of budget pads, really unless you're a teenager (or one at heart) or really push things like setting a new record going down the hill from Genting then premium pads can be more a millstone than a boon. I abhor the idea of machining rotors so the less harsh the pad the better in my view.
Myself I'm easier on brakes than my Dad and he had 340,000 km on the pads (and rear shoes) of his trayback when he sold it a while back, but that can be a testament to how many of our roads are long, straight and flat.
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Guys, Wanna ask, if i upgraded the tyre profile (FLX SE) from 195/50/15 to 55 series does the tyre give any problems? Will it rub the side or the "banana leaf" of the car?

Felt way too bumpy for the current ride.

Any suggestion?

Nanderi...

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