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 PROTON SAGA BLM, FL & FLX Thread V66, Jerkyy Dong Dong Chiang

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davidke20
post Dec 23 2014, 07:51 PM

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You only need to get stuck in LDP for 1.5 hours. The end result is, some 300 post gone, new thread begun and already in 3rd page after 60+ posts sleep.gif Can you guys put up some healthy debate or anything that is related to the car itself? Inspaliah thread is fast that we all know the beginning of 50 threads are all resentment and slanting about lack of identity and soulless character of a lancer Inspira. Nevertheless, Inspaliah thread got master in ECU decode, managed to hack it up and enable multiple functions, whereas we GaGa still suffering from trying to find out which ECU firmware we're up to?

Frankly, it's kinda frustrated to me. I still maintain the love of the car, but posting technical stuff has been a burden if we're talking about GaGa. I mean I enjoy making technical posts in Shawie thread more than GaGa anytime. I don't know about others, but I think GaGa thread will lose steam from now on. Seeing this spam for the sake of getting a new thread up activity really makes me think this is the end.
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post Dec 23 2014, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(athrunzaru @ Dec 23 2014, 08:37 PM)
back to my previous question, anyone plonked maibek into gaga?
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post Dec 23 2014, 10:10 PM

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QUOTE(THE CLASS OF 13 @ Dec 23 2014, 09:22 PM)
Many have done that especially plonk in 4g92 engine in blm iinm in  here, all members use camtakpro mia engine only..haha
But nowadays a proper modified cam tak pro oso can compete with maibec yinjin.
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So, let's get ready some 10k. I'll use that money to plonk MIVEK into my car and I'll leave that MIVEK stock, u use that 10k to mod your Kampro to whatever reasonable and roadworthy. In the end we bring the 2 out for a track event to see who takes the trophy ok nod.gif
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post Dec 23 2014, 10:12 PM

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QUOTE(V12Kompressor @ Dec 23 2014, 09:35 PM)
I am saving up.

Saving up for something which appreciates, instead of depreciate.
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post Dec 23 2014, 10:14 PM

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QUOTE(Maxwell6635 @ Dec 23 2014, 09:54 PM)
SAT mode ? blink.gif
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DYNO proven, SAT was nothing but a transform button. Once you pressed, the low life creature called GaGa suddenly transformed into RUBBISH.
davidke20
post Dec 23 2014, 10:21 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Dec 23 2014, 10:03 PM)
OKla, YAB mau flip table liao. And since we are talking about ambient temperature affecting engine performance....

Remember last time I was contemplating insulating the intake hose and airbox? and titanrev already went ahead and wrap the airbox with aluminium wrap?

I've been thinking, while it is true that the intake piping and airbox may soak up heat from the engine bay, but the air going into the engine actually passes through those components very quickly, isn't it? That means, the time a particular volume of outside air spent inside the airbox and the associated pipings are not long enough to cause them to heat up much.

That means, if the air the car sucks in is hot, it will be hot when it enters the TB. If it is cold, it will still be cold. If your open pod is sucking hot air from the engine bay, no amount of insulation on the piping can cool it down. So it is more important to suck in cold air in the first place, than to try to keep it from heating up enroute to the TB.

I know gunker has observed the temperature changes before and after the aluminium wrap mod, so I might be missing something.

Thoughts?  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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Heat wrapping is the ONLY economical way to improve intake temperature. Your entire statement is KOREK, if the air temperature being settled in the first place, we don't even need whatever intake ram, the trouble is in the hot afternoon, road temperature is standing at 80~85'C. Hot air from surface to 4ft above are around 60'C mixing with exhaust heat blown by. So your car literally breathing atleast 50'C and above in the afternoon. Having heat wrapped the intake funnel/airbox is not a bad idea. But everything is double edged sword. It makes hell lot of difference when you're DRIVING in the afternoon with the heat wrapping, but it TRAP heat in a standstill traffic laugh.gif So yes, if you use the OBD to check on litre consumed per hour, heat wrapped intake would consume even more petrol in a standstill traffic just to make the engine stay alive.
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post Dec 23 2014, 10:22 PM

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QUOTE(Jusb @ Dec 23 2014, 10:20 PM)
do you guys use semi synth EO and service every 5000 or use fully synth EO and service every 10000 for your Saga?
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Mineral oil for 15000 whistling.gif
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post Dec 23 2014, 10:25 PM

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QUOTE(Maxwell6635 @ Dec 23 2014, 10:22 PM)
o.o , look like works auto feel . I also less use SAT button  smile.gif lol "GaGa suddenly transformed into RUBBISH."
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I'm not fuckin with ya. Ask any of those CVT owner whose went for dyno, they use all 3 modes from D/L and SAT. D works perfect on all region. L brings the torque in earlier, but after certain speed it switched back to D(internally without us knowing it other than observed from dyno chart). That however, the SAT engaged makes the entire torque curve dropped to drain. Seriously a piece of garbage in the inventory of GaGa CVT, for the sake of old unkers who refuse to give up old type 4AT dinosaur shift shock(gear change) feeling yawn.gif
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post Dec 23 2014, 10:27 PM

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QUOTE(Jusb @ Dec 23 2014, 10:23 PM)
use JTX Oil is it?  biggrin.gif
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I invest less than 100 every oil change, so that very reputable API SQ grade oil is out of the picture regardless. Too advanced for my GaGa nod.gif
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post Dec 23 2014, 10:56 PM

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QUOTE(Maxwell6635 @ Dec 23 2014, 10:37 PM)
David Bro , do you have any idea about dashboard left side passenger rattling noise when in low speed ?  sad.gif
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No idea, unless pay me enough to dismantle your car yawn.gif
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post Dec 23 2014, 10:58 PM

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QUOTE(Maxwell6635 @ Dec 23 2014, 10:38 PM)
Double posted  doh.gif
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post Dec 23 2014, 11:24 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Dec 23 2014, 10:23 PM)
you're correct, because that's what i get from the intake/ambient sensors via obd, they are the same temperatures with once in a blue moon 0.x celsius degrees variance and that's only if i'm stuck in traffic jams/idling.
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Have you ever thought of why HONEYCOMB shape was invented on washing machine tub surface, fridge insulation layer, aircon filter/vent(including GaGa's aircon vent)? Have you ever thought of why SNOWFLAKE structured in hexagonal pattern?

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They're not related at all it seems, but there's a speculation of such hexagonal shape best fit with colder molecule. Am wondering if we can have a fibre formed honeycomb structure act as an agent to reshape intake air would helped hmm.gif But ofcourse, if we wanted the other way round would be using aluminium and or any other metal base materal to form the honeycomb shape it would become even hotter doh.gif

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post Dec 23 2014, 11:35 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Dec 23 2014, 11:14 PM)
If we're talking about ambient temperature affecting the engine itself, remember during normal driving the engine temperature is regulated at 80c-90c via water cooling, this is the most optimum operating temperature for the engine.

Therefore,ambient temperature will have little to no effect on the engine itself.

Engine oil temperature is different and is indicative of the engine's internal temperature, nothing to do with ambient temperature.

The gaga's intake is designed to suck in whatever air in front of it. It is definitely not a cold air intake.
But then, does the insulation/wrap cool the air down in the intake funnel/airbox?

Like I was asking, isn't the air passing the intake system too fast to be affected by the temperature of the materials?
There is also the question of where is the ambient temp sensor located.
Yep, I think this would be much more effective than insulating the intake system.
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Cooler air has a higher density, thus containing more oxygen per volume unit than warmer air(from WIKI). If the intake air is already HOT, given enough time to chill the air, the density wouldn't increase because that's the amount of air taken into the intake funnel whistling.gif So, basically you nailed it whistling.gif Heat wrapping doesn't change the combustion, but actual air intake temperature before the intake funnel does. In other word, make the atmosphere cold before you drive out, or plonk NOS whistling.gif To answer on behalf of cikgu CLASS OF tigabelas, water coolant is meant for cooling the engine down, has nothing to do with intake temperature. Older vehicle has a intake design of directing a funnel to exhaust manifold to suck hot air in the winter, whereas another intake funnel pointed between headlamp and radiator for cooler air intake during the summer laugh.gif On a general consensus, cooler the better but NOT freezing cold.

Have answered Quazacolt with honeycomb philosophy, not sure whether that will help. The trouble is, honeycomb structure will create more air restriction.

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post Dec 23 2014, 11:38 PM

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QUOTE(THE CLASS OF 13 @ Dec 23 2014, 09:22 PM)
Many have done that especially plonk in 4g92 engine in blm iinm in  here, all members use camtakpro mia engine only..haha
But nowadays a proper modified cam tak pro oso can compete with maibec yinjin.
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Oh... I tot u say kampro after modified can compete MIVEK geh whistling.gif

QUOTE(THE CLASS OF 13 @ Dec 23 2014, 11:26 PM)
I rather spend my 10k on that mivek sumore i get mitsu engineering than some reputable local mechanic engineering.hehehe
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post Dec 24 2014, 06:19 AM

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QUOTE(THE CLASS OF 13 @ Dec 24 2014, 01:11 AM)
Compete ony right? Not win kan..but i read neo with sprintex supercharge can get podium place in 1.8 category where the majority is 4g93 and 92..but that sprintex plus minus setting one sure kautim above 15k right..
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Depending on what you're competing against bro whistling.gif The amount of money 1 spend on Kampro doesn't reflect on the gains regardless yawn.gif
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post Dec 24 2014, 06:40 AM

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QUOTE(dares @ Dec 24 2014, 01:35 AM)
Nothing to do with snowflake shape la  sweat.gif

An extruded honeycomb shape (hexagon arrays) creates most surface area per volume per amount of material used, compared to square, triangular or circular arrays.

Bees create honeycomb shape nests because this way they can fit most amount of chambers in a limited space with minimum amount of wax.

In short, it is simply a more efficient shape if the target is maximum contact surface area with minimum restriction.
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Point taken, so I shall go open up my GaGa akon vent and cut the honeycomb off laugh.gif

QUOTE(dares @ Dec 24 2014, 01:35 AM)
So to sum it up, insulating the intake system has very little effect  sweat.gif
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More like insulting car manufacturer on their design sleep.gif Stock design is at balanced optimal in all region. When you heat wrap it, at the same time you trap more heat on a standstill, just like oven baking dori fish

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There's also another saying of wrapping the exhaust piap, which again it's very little relation with intake temperature. More like prevent exhaust heat killing the surrounding electronics and plastik material stuff(including our well known valve cover leaks)

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But again, it's another insult to car manufacturer. Don't they already know that damn sotong is hot enough to melt an ice burg? Cost wise, not efficient with tedious work required, time consuming. Worst it gets, the manifold inner core heat will be trapped! The metal surface that covered will not be able to dissipate heat at all. Imagine this, everytime raining you'll be worrying will your manifold crack, will you still be able to enjoy the car? laugh.gif Hence stock header always came with a simple piece of aluminium cover that act as heat transfer agent, and shield the manifold from rain water direct hit nod.gif
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post Dec 24 2014, 07:05 AM

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QUOTE(wankel @ Dec 24 2014, 06:52 AM)
And it would seem that it's fastened by a gorilla with a rattle gun, I checked mine out when new and it was a real chore to undo the bolts holding it, I used a pipe on the socket to gain more leverage. I'd reckon after a while they would be near impossible to remove.
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Better not open it after awhile whistling.gif

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post Dec 24 2014, 12:01 PM

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QUOTE(K3nnYkl82 @ Dec 24 2014, 09:47 AM)
here also wan tag me meh...  sweat.gif

yesterday i saw .. Toyota Veeyooss Saga BLM thread..
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post Dec 24 2014, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(Fubar20 @ Dec 24 2014, 09:48 AM)
That depends on the honeycomb cell size. The smaller it is, the bigger the drop in pressure at high air velocity.
But the design of the honeycomb can help reduce it more for smaller size.
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So it does help/reduce air flow depending on the comb size vs velocity brows.gif Am interested to do some research on this now brows.gif
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QUOTE(drfeelgood @ Dec 24 2014, 10:01 AM)
BULK BULK BULK!

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