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post Sep 23 2006, 02:53 PM, updated 20y ago

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It seems like more likely that XBox 360 WILL beat PS3 in rendering games in 1080p. It has been revealed that some 360 games, (Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, confirmed, and Call of Duty 2, Dead or Alive 4 awaiting confirmation) will be rendered at 1080p once MS updates XBox 360 dashboards around the world. If the said come before 17 November, XBox 360 will beat PS3 to render games at 1080p. And all this while, Sony is the one who hypes 1080p when MS kept quite about its "embedded" 1080p feature in XBox 360 and games ..

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The 360 already has lots of games that natively render at 1920x1080. They will automatically become "1080P" the second MS puts out their dashboard update. You see, developers don't specify "1080i" or "1080p" when making a game, they specify a framebuffer size to natively render the game at, and the video scaler determines what goes out the video port. If the user has selected 1080i and the game only supports 1280x720 (again, there is no "I" or "P" as far as the game is concerned), the scaler takes care of that. Now in theory the developer could only ever support a 1920x1080 framebuffer the scaler would scale it down to 720P or 480i or whatever, but that is unlikely.

Some games that already support "1080P" (just looking at games near my desk)

Call of Duty 2
Dead or Alive 4
Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion

Many (perhaps most) Xbox Live Arcade titles support 1920x1080. They also support 4:3 High-def modes via the VGA output which is not surprising since many XBLA games have PC origins and their developers are used to supporting a variety of resolutions.

I'd guess that Virtual Tennis 3 for the 360 will also since it is much easier to get 1920x1080 to run at an acceptable rate on the 360 than on the PS3. I know because I make cross platform console games for a living and have done next gen games. If you look in the GT4 and Lair game shots (not the pre-rendered video stills, but the actual in-game shots with the HUD) you'll see a lot of aliasing. The PS3 doesn't have a nearly-free anti-aliasing solution like the 360 (anti-aliasing is mandatory on the 360, btw), so you'll not likely see anti-aliasing any PS3 1080 games except maybe some their Mahjong titles. Given that 1280x720 with anti-aliasing looks as good if not better (engineers love to argue this point) than 1920x1080 without, if anti-aliasing is not an option (and it is horribly expensive on the PS3's RSX), they will go for 1280x720 since you get back more precious VRAM. For me, "1080P" with regards to PS3 games.


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An email response from Bethesda says the Oblivion will be 1080p once the update is released and that the original poster was correct. The game was made rendered in 1920x1080.


http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread....889#post8494889
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post Sep 23 2006, 08:40 PM

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QUOTE(ruztynail @ Sep 23 2006, 08:11 PM)
funny IGN thinks other wise..
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i am not trying to be mean but which part of the quote says that, XBox 360 wont beat PS3 in rendering games at 1080p? unsure.gif
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post Sep 23 2006, 10:47 PM

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QUOTE(ruztynail @ Sep 23 2006, 10:09 PM)
how does rendering sequence work?? power processor? video card? ram bus speeds?? if the game cant even be made available on the xbox360.. wouddnt it mean tat the ps3 gives a more raw processing power? so in short. how can a xbox360 beat a ps3 in rendering.. esp in 1080p?? and didn u know whn thy launched the xbox360 it was said it could only go as high as 1080i... now only after some software updates could it reach 1080p.. correct me if i am wrong.  sweat.gif
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there wasnt any point hyping 1080p (when MS first launch 360 because there wasnt any 1080p display at that time!)

i am not saying that that 360 will beat PS3 in term of rendering 1080p. (God PS3 is not out yet so comparison cannot be done). I said 360 might do 1080p FIRST (BEFORE) PS3 even in the market if MS manages to get the dashboard update before 11 Nov.

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post Sep 23 2006, 11:51 PM

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QUOTE(ruztynail @ Sep 23 2006, 10:57 PM)
how can u say that the availability of the 1080p dispay is wat restricted xbox360 frm saying is supports the 1080p.. thn how did ps3 ADVERTISE tat it could support it thn!??!! tats a very ridiculous statement to make. 
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this post acts as a warning to u. Another word similar to "ridiculous' or 'nonsense' especially from people who make posts that u did, would lead me to report ur 'personal attack' to the mods.

and to counter ur illogical post, Sony also said there will be a worldwide launch this November. They also said that there will be 2mil units of PS3 available at launch. The also said that PS3 games will be 1080p when we know that some game developers would do 720p games. That is the same company that hype 50GB BD disk movies (yet nearly half year .. still no sign of the disk in the market). The same company that hyped BD as "beyond definition" then put numerous crappy (slightly better than upscalled DVD PQ) BD titles to consumers. The same company that speaks as though they are the king of all CEs yet incapable of producing simply products such as laptop battery, causing injuries, fire hazards and more than 6mil laptop recall worldwide in less than 4 months. Do u want me to continue !!!!!

oh yeah .. lets continue ..

the same company that publicly blaming Samsung Bd player for the poor PQ of their Sony Picture movie titles. U know what, BD movie titles from Warner Bros look amazingly good on the same Samsung BD player !!!

the same company that publicly claimed that MS' XBox 360 wont do 1080p rendering (just upscalling) eventhough when 360 is not updated yet (Sony have no way of knowing if the 360 do 1080p rendering) yet, the make public claim of the opposite. shocking.gif shakehead.gif

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post Sep 24 2006, 03:21 PM

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^ basically its pointly talking to that guy. that is why i no longer see his posts laugh.gif ... I used simple English to say that Xbox 360 might beat PS3 at rendering 1080p because some of the 360 games that are already in the market are made rendered in 1080p. This guys then for what ever reason accused me of claiming that 360 will do 1080p rendering better than PS3. I corrected him saying that he misinterpreted my post but give wont give up !! and come up with statments like this

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thn how did ps3 ADVERTISE tat it could support it thn!??!!


basically i have concluded that this guy take Sony's press statements and every word from Sony's people as phrases in the Holy Book.
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post Sep 24 2006, 09:10 PM

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QUOTE(mzaidi @ Sep 24 2006, 04:03 PM)
You do claim that 360 will do better 1080p rendering than PS3. See the thread's title.  wink.gif
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some people just never read the post content .. that is one of the reasons i claim that news paper headlines are important .. people just read the title .. if paku karat read my post he will notice that :

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If the said come before 17 November, XBox 360 will beat PS3 to render games at 1080p.


see see ... its all about the context .. wink.gif
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post Sep 24 2006, 09:26 PM

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QUOTE(Mgsrulz @ Sep 24 2006, 09:16 PM)
sweat.gif  sweat.gif dude,g5sim started the thread,not ikanayam...
you're addressing the wrong person sweat.gif  blush.gif
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i know .. he is one lost boy ... actually i used to forum post to 'prove' Oblivion is maded rendered at 1080p. That was all!! Since Oblivion is already in many many homes, and if MS update 360 dashboard before 11 Nov, 360 will beat PS3 at rendering 1080p. Paku karat can read that highlighted line in anyway he likes!! rclxm9.gif
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post Sep 25 2006, 09:50 AM

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QUOTE(redbull_y2k @ Sep 25 2006, 01:11 AM)
LOL, u have no real proof that certain games on the Xbox360 was actually rendered at 1080p in the framebuffer at all. In fact some games are actually rendered at even less than 720p which are then scaled to 720p, PGR3 is one such example coz the aliasing is abit obvious compared to other games. Most games however are rendered at 720p in the framebuffer.  sweat.gif
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The company that produces Oblivion has confirmed that the game is made rendered 1080p. i take that as a proof. smile.gif
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post Sep 25 2006, 12:42 PM

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QUOTE(redbull_y2k @ Sep 25 2006, 12:23 PM)
That can't hardly be taken as proof unless u have a more concrete evidence.  sweat.gif
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QUOTE(ikanayam @ Sep 26 2006, 04:34 PM)
1. Xb360 games don't use HD-DVD.
2. Compression is always used these days unless the developer is a retard. It maximizes bandwidth and reduces data transfer times. Also you can pack in much higher quality compressed data in the same space as you could uncompressed.
3. I'm waiting alright. I've been waiting for a year. But i know enough to not expect miracles.
4. You don't know what you are talking about at all.
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to add to that:

1. BD is using VC-1, AVC/MPEG4 and MPEG2 encoding for movies.

2. BD titles have lossless LCM tracks which doesnt need a decoder to get the tracks in receivers. But the problem is the consume lots of space. There come Dolby Digital TrueHD and DTS HD Master. How do this two work? Some at the AVS Forum put it, they dont compress the track, they just 'zip' the tracks and DDTrueHD and DTSHDMaster 'unzip' the tracks and send them to receivers.

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post Sep 26 2006, 08:45 PM

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QUOTE(redbull_y2k @ Sep 26 2006, 05:33 PM)
we're talking bout the media n games but now you're talking bout the movies which is a different topic instead. Are u sure u know what you're talking about? doh.gif

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sendiri tak tahu cakap pasal aper..  


well actually PS3 will support 5.1 Dolby Digital FOR GAMES !!! and sorry its "PCM" not "LCM" blush.gif

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As expected, the Blu-ray player built into the PS3 will support both Dolby TrueHD as well as Dolby Digital. For games, the console will support interactive Dolby Digital 5.1 surround sound.


http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/news/

and on the video compression for PS3 and even 360. call me stupid whatever ... Its up to u guys. whistling.gif

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we're talking bout the media n games but now you're talking bout the movies which is a different topic instead. Are u sure u know what you're talking about?


Shaz said the use of BD media would allow developers not to compression tools. i gave an example of BD media that use compression codec .. MPEG, MPEG4/AVC etc.

I personally dun know which compression tool PS3 is using. There are saurces saying XBox 360 is using Window Media Video and Window Media Audio (WMV/WMA).

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For years compression has been required in video games and for anyone with any basic knowledge of computers will be able to understand why. As we know with video game consoles the games are stored on optical disc media. Now what exactly is optical disc media? Fancy talk for CD/DVD/HD-DVD/Blu-Ray.


http://www.gamespot.com/pages/profile/show...ser=louislegros
http://www.gamespot.com/pages/profile/show...1&user=Hypn0sis
http://vision.pcvsconsole.com/?article=2

its getting tiring that i have to explain my post. I am starting to feel like my posts are read by parrots who cant seem to grasp that "to beat" has more than one meaning. i tengah bercakap dengan lembu kah?


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post Sep 26 2006, 10:41 PM

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post Sep 27 2006, 09:41 AM

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okay since this thread has already become forumers daily dose of jokes ... i will just add this :

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post Oct 3 2006, 10:54 PM

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QUOTE(ikanayam @ Oct 2 2006, 01:11 AM)
Play oblivion until no time to play with the wife LOL
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this is worst than having an affair sweat.gif ... the wife beaten by a xbox 360 game .. sweat.gif
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post Oct 28 2006, 03:56 AM

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wah .. deparaya passed oredi .. so please continue lah ... no fun without this thread .. woR !!
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post Nov 11 2006, 01:16 AM

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so has anyone tried the 1080p thingy ... assuming there are games in the market made rendered in 1080p ..
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post Nov 14 2006, 05:17 AM

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QUOTE(mzaidi @ Nov 11 2006, 02:33 AM)
I've tried the 1080p mode, but it displayed awkward aspect ratio. Well, that's to be expected since I'm using normal 4:3 ratio monitor that doesn't officially  support 1080p  mode tongue.gif
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and if anyone is interested .. 1080p LCD TVs can be obtained at <>RM15,000 .. >40in .. Sony Bravia .. few months back the cheapest 1080p was over RM25K (from Sharp)

 

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