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dtna7
post Nov 21 2014, 02:07 PM

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Century sprint at 9-10 seconds car ain't gonna differ much. One of my worst gripes about the CFE is the throttle response, it's crap.
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post Nov 21 2014, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Nov 21 2014, 12:02 PM)
Assuming the Suprima S is almost similar in performance with the Preve Turbo, the Suprima is slower than the Focus. The Thais have done extensive test-runs on Preve Turbo and Ford Focus, taking the average times out of about 5 runs. The results are as below.

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I am pretty sure that the acceleration at the top end from say 100km/h to 160km/h++ of the Preve Turbo(Suprima) will not match the Focus as in my experience the Preve starts to lose steam earlier and show reduced acceleration whereas the Focus continues to accelerate uniformly without much struggle. The specs does support this observation as the maximum output of the Preve Turbo is only 103kW compared to 170kW of the Focus.
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You were speaking nonsense. Ford power is not 170 kW it is 160 hp only roughly around 118 kW. And No, Suprima will not be struggle from 100 to 160 kmh, it is a blizz piece of cake to 180 km/h. Only above 180km/h lets say to achieve 220 km/h would take time.
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post Nov 21 2014, 05:10 PM

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QUOTE(dtna7 @ Nov 21 2014, 02:07 PM)
Century sprint at 9-10 seconds car ain't gonna differ much. One of my worst gripes about the CFE is the throttle response, it's crap.
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Agree with you that Proton in general (including IRIZ) got poor throttle response. Somehow the delay is always from the moment you press the accelerator and when the car moves. Might be ECU programming?
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post Nov 21 2014, 06:08 PM

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QUOTE(GibsonBFG @ Nov 21 2014, 12:45 AM)
Hi, do you mean facelifted version? Or really sv? Wheres the source of news? As far i concern paultan no mention yet anything.

as for discount currently >15k with add on 3 years servis.
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paul tan not reported yet? hmm.gif

anyway Suprima standard variant will definitely be coming. Suprima SV. so u wait a bit la see how next year.
only thing that cancel development is the R3 version. i talked to R3 and they said no development for R3 Preve/Suprima production, different than DRB statement when first taking over Proton
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post Nov 21 2014, 06:20 PM

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QUOTE(lemer @ Nov 21 2014, 02:55 PM)
You were speaking nonsense. Ford power is not 170 kW it is 160 hp only roughly around  118 kW. And No, Suprima will not be struggle from 100 to 160 kmh, it is a blizz piece of cake to 180 km/h. Only above 180km/h lets say to achieve 220 km/h would take time.
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If you don't know yet, he has BOTH the Preve CFE and the Ford Focus Titanium. Still have them both. So his comment comes from his first hand experience.

Rich guy that fella
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post Nov 21 2014, 10:46 PM

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If only that Suprima and Preve has 6 speed manual,im sure the sale figure is higher smile.gif
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post Nov 21 2014, 10:48 PM

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QUOTE(AMDAthlon @ Nov 21 2014, 10:46 PM)
If only that Suprima and Preve has 6 speed manual,im sure the sale figure is higher smile.gif
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I feel you bro.. i feel you.. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Nov 21 2014, 10:50 PM

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QUOTE(Aquariusdenz @ Nov 21 2014, 10:48 PM)
I feel you bro.. i feel you..  icon_rolleyes.gif
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I hope either Proton ditch that CVT and go to conventional AT 6 speed or change other types of CVT/company
Current CVT arent really that good. sweat.gif
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post Nov 21 2014, 10:54 PM

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QUOTE(AMDAthlon @ Nov 21 2014, 10:50 PM)
I hope either Proton ditch that CVT and go to conventional AT 6 speed or change other types of CVT/company
Current CVT arent really that good. sweat.gif
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Really fad up with my saga cvt, the response, the power. I regret when i test driven my friend's manual saga. Much oomp.. cry.gif
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post Nov 21 2014, 11:02 PM

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QUOTE(AMDAthlon @ Nov 21 2014, 10:46 PM)
If only that Suprima and Preve has 6 speed manual,im sure the sale figure is higher smile.gif
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No, unfortunately sales figure will be lower. Very few people want MT these days. People above 30 years, living in town and used MT all want to move to AT already. Lutut tak tahan dah. laugh.gif
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post Nov 22 2014, 10:02 AM

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actually,what mr lemer and mr sporty handling said on preve n suprima are correct. suprima has better midrange than preve due to diff ecu n dbw tuning, better thermal efficiency n new cvt3 n tcu tuning.
only new preve has more or less the same as suprima performance in midrange.

suprima isnt same or better than golf or focus interm of total performance n refinement. interm of safety n in car tech,not far cry.

interm of pricing n whole package in malaysia,i think its poor man golf n focus.

if its the same as focus n golf,not only in malaysia,it will shock the world...ha...ha...but iriz did closer the gap. but still so much to do. better management, better cash flow, better vendors n workers attitude,i think they can do even better in the future.
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post Nov 22 2014, 10:17 AM

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but i do suggest any preve,suprima or iriz to change the tyres. u will get lesser road noise,better comfort n better road holding. the standard fitment is just ok ok only. u will feel n notice the diff.
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post Nov 22 2014, 10:27 AM

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Try check with local dealer, but they say no memo or uodate about new suprima sv, not sure aboutpricing as well, wondering if lower 60k, just with full safety feature bo other fancy gadget.

Below latest news about suorima and exora facelft launching in December next month.

any proton insider care to sharing is caring ya.

suprima sv
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post Nov 24 2014, 12:53 PM

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wow can anybody confirm year end discount is 15k? that is sure can cover my car topup amount if trade in. lol
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post Nov 24 2014, 01:28 PM

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QUOTE(lemer @ Nov 21 2014, 02:55 PM)
You were speaking nonsense. Ford power is not 170 kW it is 160 hp only roughly around  118 kW. And No, Suprima will not be struggle from 100 to 160 kmh, it is a blizz piece of cake to 180 km/h. Only above 180km/h lets say to achieve 220 km/h would take time.
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I mixed up the horsepower units between Ps and kW but still, the Ford Focus horsepower of 170Ps(125kW) is higher than the Preve Turbo (103kW). And you are the one who is spewing rubbish. THe Focus' horsepower is not 160hp but 170hp.

The Suprima/Preve Turbo may not struggle when accelerating from 100km/h to 160km/h, but the power comes in slowly when compared to the Focus. I certainly wouldn't say it is a piece of cake for the Preve Turbo to accelerate to 180km/h. Surely it can reach 180km/h, but it would take a bit of struggle. The Focus will do that effortlessly in comparison. Whenever there is a need to accelerate from any speed, the Preve Turbo/Suprima's acceleration feels lethargic partly due to the throttle response and CVT. The power comes in slowly with the unpleasant loud roar from the Turbo engine. In contrast, with the Focus, you can feel the instantaneous power kicking in upon hard acceleration, and coupled by the robust roar from the engine you feel the car surging forward very quickly.

Acceleration on the Focus, both response and power is better than the Preve/Suprima.

Above 180km/h, I need not say more if comparing between the Preve Turbo/Suprima and the Ford Focus.

I have driven both cars extensively and I am relating my experience here. Do you happen to own both Suprima S and Focus, or your comments are based on the comments made by owners of Suprima and PReve Turbo? Have you actually driven the Ford Focus?


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post Nov 24 2014, 01:54 PM

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QUOTE(GibsonBFG @ Nov 22 2014, 11:27 AM)
Try check with local dealer, but they say no memo or uodate about new suprima sv, not sure aboutpricing as well, wondering if lower 60k, just with full safety feature bo other fancy gadget.

Below latest news about suorima and exora facelft launching in December next month.

any proton insider care to sharing is caring ya.

suprima sv
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Thats a weird month for new launches (although minor ones) , since many are trying to move their stocks via promotions and discounts.

I'm looking forward to see what actually changed for Exora coz now I'm in a tie over getting Exora or Alza sometime next year. (and actually I've been hoping for an Exora facelift in 2015 too .)


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post Nov 24 2014, 02:52 PM

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suprima's driver always think their car is just a little bit more to be on par with focus. But actually suprima is still far behind; from driving dynamics, technology on auto parking and voice command and so on. And that is focus. We dont have to compare with golf.
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post Nov 24 2014, 05:23 PM

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I once read an article from Autocar ASEAN where a local writer wrote a comparison between the Suprima S and the mk7 Golf. He was very daring to mention the Suprima S is close to Golf, although there are obvious weakness as what sportyhandling had pointed out.

A few issues later, that writer seems no longer with the magazine sweat.gif
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post Nov 24 2014, 07:50 PM

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QUOTE(travis_ckf @ Nov 24 2014, 05:23 PM)
I once read an article from Autocar ASEAN where a local writer wrote a comparison between the Suprima S and the mk7 Golf. He was very daring to mention the Suprima S is close to Golf, although there are obvious weakness as what sportyhandling had pointed out.

A few issues later, that writer seems no longer with the magazine sweat.gif
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post Nov 24 2014, 10:46 PM

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QUOTE(travis_ckf @ Nov 24 2014, 05:23 PM)
I once read an article from Autocar ASEAN where a local writer wrote a comparison between the Suprima S and the mk7 Golf. He was very daring to mention the Suprima S is close to Golf, although there are obvious weakness as what sportyhandling had pointed out.

A few issues later, that writer seems no longer with the magazine sweat.gif
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the writer is not exactly wrong...
the suprima has very good driving dynamics...

but as an overall package, it is still lagging behind...
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