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TSGibsonBFG
post Nov 20 2014, 10:37 PM, updated 12y ago

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Guys, test drive overall quite inpress with its perfomance. Felt stable and high speed very queit as well, minus side loud engine noise, feel very heavy and contribute high fc.

as currently with huge year end rebate, really like the overall package and value, SA mentioned that its best time to own it and told this little beast similar with other manufacturer such as vw golf, ford focus and claim its poor mans version of it rclxms.gif

As suprima club not really merrier, therefore trying asking otai here opinion, any owner comment much appreciate.

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post Nov 20 2014, 10:38 PM

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how much discount now?
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post Nov 20 2014, 10:50 PM

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None of the performance nor the refinement of the Focus and the Golf.....

The only similiar thing between them are that they are C-segment hatches.
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post Nov 20 2014, 11:07 PM

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suprima s sv is coming. and also preve sv. rumors only.
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post Nov 21 2014, 12:07 AM

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QUOTE(GibsonBFG @ Nov 20 2014, 10:37 PM)
Guys, test drive overall quite inpress with its perfomance. Felt stable and high speed very queit as well, minus side loud engine noise, feel very heavy and contribute high fc.

as currently with huge year end rebate, really like the overall package and value, SA mentioned that its best time to own it and told this little beast similar with other manufacturer such as vw golf, ford focus and claim its poor mans version of it rclxms.gif

As suprima club not really merrier, therefore trying asking otai here opinion, any owner comment much appreciate.

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Suprima club not merrier, really? U are most welcomed to join our discussion here..

https://www.facebook.com/groups/UnofficiallyPROSMAC/

Asides from the niggle, I would say this car is the best new car under 100k. The way it handles, way better than my frenchie does.. biggrin.gif
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post Nov 21 2014, 12:23 AM

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how much is the rebate?
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post Nov 21 2014, 12:45 AM

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QUOTE(ledtechn @ Nov 20 2014, 11:07 PM)
suprima s sv is coming. and also preve sv. rumors only.
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Hi, do you mean facelifted version? Or really sv? Wheres the source of news? As far i concern paultan no mention yet anything.

as for discount currently >15k with add on 3 years servis.
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post Nov 21 2014, 06:57 AM

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just buy it if u like.. what kind of opinion u would like to know? for me its performance not that great.. its just an ok.. but it will different story if there's manual 6 speed version..
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post Nov 21 2014, 08:47 AM

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As far as i concern, every new proton cars are great to drive. Back then I owned wira aeroback 1.6 and then my mom bought perdana. But after 1 year u feel like the car is already 2 years old. After 5 years, u feel like the car is like 7-8 years old. If u test drive saga flx or sv, feels like the car is ok. But after u bought it more problem occurs. If i wanna buy a suprima i will get ready for any headache or bad circumstances in future
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post Nov 21 2014, 08:49 AM

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it's not a bad car for the money. But to compare to the Focus, or even the Golf? Proton has a long way to go.
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post Nov 21 2014, 08:59 AM

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QUOTE(GibsonBFG @ Nov 20 2014, 10:37 PM)
Guys, test drive overall quite inpress with its perfomance. Felt stable and high speed very queit as well, minus side loud engine noise, feel very heavy and contribute high fc.

as currently with huge year end rebate, really like the overall package and value, SA mentioned that its best time to own it and told this little beast similar with other manufacturer such as vw golf, ford focus and claim its poor mans version of it rclxms.gif

As suprima club not really merrier, therefore trying asking otai here opinion, any owner comment much appreciate.

notworthy.gif
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I own the Preve Turbo and Ford Focus Titanium. The Proton Preve/Suprima are indeed the poor man's Ford Focus. At around RM69k or lower due to year end discounts, the Preve Turbo and Suprima are great value, but the inferiority shows when compared to the Ford Focus.

Differences as follows:-

1. Steering. The weight of steering of the Preve(I presume Suprima also) is significantly heavier than the Ford Focus. When there is a need to turn the steering wheel a lot especially during reverse parking etc., it will be much easier and effortless to turn the steering wheel. More energy and effort are needed to turn the steering wheel of the Preve Turbo when doing some parking.

2. Refinement. The small little details such as the feel of the gear knob, the signal stalk etc. The gear knob of the Preve Turbo feels cheap, and it is stiff when moving around the gears when you want to shift from say N to D or D to R etc. The gear knob of the Focus feels nice to touch and shifting between gears is much refined as it glides through the gears.

3. Power and acceleration. No doubt the Preve Turbo/Suprima is one powerful vehicle, thanks to the Turbo engine. Though, the torque and horsepower figures are lower than the Focus. There may be little difference when accelerating from 0 to 100km/h but when accelerating (hard) from say 100km/h to 160km/h you will feel the difference. The Focus will pull away more effortlessly and quicker.

The 1.6 Campro Turbo engine of the Preve Turbo/Suprima is more powerful when compared to non-Turbo 1.6-litre engines, but when compared to similar Turbocharged engines such as Ford Ecoboost 1.6 or VW 1.4 etc., the Turbo engine of the Proton is lacking.

4. NVH. Both are comparable when the cars are stationary but when accelerating the engine and CVT noise from the Proton is louder than the Focus. There is a low-frequency drone from the Turbo engine of the Preve coupled by CVT whine.

5. Sound from suspension when going over bad roads. This is one area the Proton Preve Turbo is better than the Focus. The suspension of the Focus is noisier than the quieter suspension of the Preve Turbo when going over bad-surfaced roads or rough roads.

There are more differences between the Preve/Suprima and the Focus but the above are the pertinent ones.

In the end, the Preve Turbo or Suprima only cost RM69k+/- vs the Ford Focus low spec at RM115k+/- so, the Proton ain't too shabby. But the difference in quality does shown between the two.


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post Nov 21 2014, 09:00 AM

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typo in the last paragraph.

the difference in quality *does show between the two.
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post Nov 21 2014, 09:45 AM

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Makes me think twice to buy Proton again. Have been owning Proton all these while due to cheap price, might as well tuka angin and feel different brand.

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QUOTE(pai3355 @ Nov 21 2014, 08:47 AM)
As far as i concern, every new proton cars are great to drive. Back then I owned wira aeroback 1.6 and then my mom bought perdana. But after 1 year u feel like the car is already 2 years old. After 5 years, u feel like the car is like 7-8 years old. If u test drive saga flx or sv, feels like the car is ok. But after u bought it more problem occurs. If i wanna buy a suprima i will get ready for any headache or bad circumstances in future
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If you buy non proton, you'll feel like -1 year feel. rolleyes.gif
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post Nov 21 2014, 09:59 AM

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suprima / preve is a good car... the choice of transmission killed the car...
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post Nov 21 2014, 11:06 AM

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Is the accelration for Suprima S quicker than a Ford Focus 2.0?
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post Nov 21 2014, 12:02 PM

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QUOTE(Yapmy @ Nov 21 2014, 11:06 AM)
Is the accelration for Suprima S quicker than a Ford Focus 2.0?
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Assuming the Suprima S is almost similar in performance with the Preve Turbo, the Suprima is slower than the Focus. The Thais have done extensive test-runs on Preve Turbo and Ford Focus, taking the average times out of about 5 runs. The results are as below.

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I am pretty sure that the acceleration at the top end from say 100km/h to 160km/h++ of the Preve Turbo(Suprima) will not match the Focus as in my experience the Preve starts to lose steam earlier and show reduced acceleration whereas the Focus continues to accelerate uniformly without much struggle. The specs does support this observation as the maximum output of the Preve Turbo is only 103kW compared to 170kW of the Focus.


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post Nov 21 2014, 01:03 PM

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QUOTE(SportyHandling @ Nov 21 2014, 12:02 PM)
Assuming the Suprima S is almost similar in performance with the Preve Turbo, the Suprima is slower than the Focus. The Thais have done extensive test-runs on Preve Turbo and Ford Focus, taking the average times out of about 5 runs. The results are as below.

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I am pretty sure that the acceleration at the top end from say 100km/h to 160km/h++ of the Preve Turbo(Suprima) will not match the Focus as in my experience the Preve starts to lose steam earlier and show reduced acceleration whereas the Focus continues to accelerate uniformly without much struggle. The specs does support this observation as the maximum output of the Preve Turbo is only 103kW compared to 170kW of the Focus.
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While I'm not surprised that the Focus is faster than the Proton, I am surprised it beat the likes of Civic Lancer and Mazda 3 (2.0 variants).

Not too shabby I guess.
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post Nov 21 2014, 01:37 PM

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QUOTE(dares @ Nov 21 2014, 01:03 PM)
While I'm not surprised that the Focus is faster than the Proton, I am surprised it beat the likes of Civic Lancer and Mazda 3 (2.0 variants).

Not too shabby I guess.
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when the focus just came out... it was promoted as the best power in its class. what surprised me in the comparison list is civic 2.0 just about the same with altis 1.8
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post Nov 21 2014, 01:40 PM

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QUOTE(boysrule @ Nov 21 2014, 01:37 PM)
when the focus just came out... it was promoted as the best power in its class. what surprised me in the comparison list is civic 2.0 just about the same with altis 1.8
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Oh I meant I was surprised the Preve beat Lancer Civic and Mazda 3.... tongue.gif

Yes about the Civic....VTEC no kick in? hmm.gif

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