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Jliew168
post Nov 25 2014, 09:46 PM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Nov 25 2014, 09:39 PM)
FD around 4%... plus... there is a difference, one is confirmed, the other is not and based on many factors, even the factors is right there are many units/competation and you need to be lucky ur units is choosen
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What so hard when u just need to buy 1 property and you do research like a university thesis paper?

Think East think west..find East find west find North South East west still no conclusion , still no target, still no direction...

If ask u make decisions on business direction then can die lo ...hence the best choice is u find a goverment job ba doh.gif
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post Nov 25 2014, 09:49 PM

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QUOTE(Jliew168 @ Nov 25 2014, 09:42 PM)
Hahhaha what the problem I song song buy n keep vacant? Many others did the same somemore midfield 2 consider quite cheap. I got my income from my business why I want to flip so fast..I don't mind keep long long and leave it vacant or rent out. I not full time property investor

Latuk manutdgiggs n zuiko even keep few landed in DPC..

Where u learn your math ? Din I told u before if the price does not fall below the price I bought and possible yearly 4-6% increment And about 4% rental yield I am quite satisfied already meh...why die die must earn 200k n above..if like that everyone no need work just buy property enough lo...

Every project can flip minimum 200k just your assumption. No free lunch in this world n no way one step to heaven..

Many here main source of income is from employment n business not from flip property...if u think flip property can make u rich I can tell u may be provided u have very sharp foresight n big water pipe from behind like your PAMA is super rich supporting u .
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others, bro has given indication of 500k tags properties

I recall you said your inflation very fierce one, 10%

can we dont start with all buying song song for vacant? it is investment... buy song song no need wait lor.. later wait subsales also can keep what, extra 200k not very expensive what..
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post Nov 25 2014, 09:51 PM

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QUOTE(Jliew168 @ Nov 25 2014, 09:46 PM)
What so hard when u just need to buy 1 property and you do research like a university thesis paper?

Think East think west..find East find west find North South East west still no conclusion , still no target, still no direction...

If ask u make decisions on business direction then can die lo ...hence the best choice is u find a goverment job ba  doh.gif
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dun so angry, not only you maa..

other owners like Link 2, Z residence, OUg exposure are more..

trying to determine the cut off period wherein cost vs price realisation vs time
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post Nov 25 2014, 09:51 PM

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QUOTE(Jliew168 @ Nov 25 2014, 09:46 PM)
What so hard when u just need to buy 1 property and you do research like a university thesis paper?

Think East think west..find East find west find North South East west still no conclusion , still no target, still no direction...

If ask u make decisions on business direction then can die lo ...hence the best choice is u find a goverment job ba  doh.gif
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If he has bought one then there will be no v14 of this thread. But I salute him la because I saw many people buy props like kacang puteh and buy kacang puteh like props..rich people buy props without asking discount while buy rice and groceries also need to compare among stores biggrin.gif
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post Nov 25 2014, 10:01 PM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Nov 25 2014, 08:45 PM)
can stop making up stories like showtime? I only ask for 10-20% discount... from asking price, dun get mixed with Tigerr mentality ok, 10-20% from original purchase price..
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Why would they wanna sell to you at 10-20% cheaper ? No place to burn money ? Ok loh like that if I have a property initially wanna sell 500K but I deliberately ask for 700K then give you 20% discount at 560K Ok or not ?

If indeed market price drop 20% meaning something bad happened to the economy, then probably your boss cut 20% from your pay, then 20% discount mean nothing to you.

Can't be economy very good owner can pay mortgage easily but deliberately give 20% discount for fun, if really wanna do charity might ask well earn your money then donate to those really in need, why give to sochai like you ?

QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Nov 25 2014, 08:47 PM)
this joker dunno what struck him, anyting alos he need to troll...

troll and dog eye, but TS...worse is bubble ain't happening, now we see how he "help" forumers views on property..
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Give you advice you says is troll & dog eye, now give you what you ask for loh, day & night dreaming, wanna buy thing above your own mean keep dreaming people will come offer you at lower price, ask your self if you have a property can sell for 500K easily, I come ask you sell to me at 400K despite all other buyer offer you 500K, you want to buta2 get 100K less or not ?
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Nov 25 2014, 08:45 PM)
can stop making up stories like showtime? I only ask for 10-20% discount... from asking price, dun get mixed with Tigerr mentality ok, 10-20% from original purchase price..
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Why would they wanna sell to you at 10-20% cheaper ? No place to burn money ? Ok loh like that if I have a property initially wanna sell 500K but I deliberately ask for 700K then give you 20% discount at 560K Ok or not ?

If indeed market price drop 20% meaning something bad happened to the economy, then probably your boss cut 20% from your pay, then 20% discount mean nothing to you.

Can't be economy very good owner can pay mortgage easily but deliberately give 20% discount for fun, if really wanna do charity might ask well earn your money then donate to those really in need, why give to sochai like you ?

QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Nov 25 2014, 08:47 PM)
this joker dunno what struck him, anyting alos he need to troll...

troll and dog eye, but TS...worse is bubble ain't happening, now we see how he "help" forumers views on property..
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Give you advice you says is troll & dog eye, now give you what you ask for loh, day & night dreaming, wanna buy thing above your own mean keep dreaming people will come offer you at lower price, ask your self if you have a property can sell for 500K easily, I come ask you sell to me at 400K despite all other buyer offer you 500K, you want to buta2 get 100K less or not ?
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post Nov 25 2014, 10:02 PM

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We dog eye you not because you don't have property or your salary is low nor your bank account is tiny...lol

We dog eye you because you know nothing but still like to showoff, we dog eye you because you have nothing yet like to look down on others, we dog eye you do nothing to improve your ability only dream for hand out from others, we dog eye you because you always aim for thing above your mean therefore can only dream price will crash to fulfill your day dream.

You deserved all these Dog Eye, till you do something to change yourselves.

This post has been edited by jolokia: Nov 25 2014, 10:12 PM
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post Nov 25 2014, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(leonhart88 @ Nov 25 2014, 09:51 PM)
If he has bought one then there will be no v14 of this thread. But I salute him la because I saw many people buy props like kacang puteh and buy kacang puteh like props..rich people buy props without asking discount while buy rice and groceries also need to compare among stores biggrin.gif
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still have any stocks of the ppl you mention, got a bunch of new launched still unable to sell, mature, high end, low Dp

yup right no ask discount... o0o, every donkey, who goes to law firm asking discounts you say no..

you cash buy also ask law yer fee discount lor.. choose cheapest rate..

dun make up story.. this phenomena hits all property in klang valley the most..

the rich ppl never solicit the subsales product lor, many vacant till auction, till rent to negro... notworthy.gif , one kind u also below 30
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post Nov 25 2014, 10:15 PM

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QUOTE(jolokia @ Nov 25 2014, 10:02 PM)
Why would they wanna sell to you at 10-20% cheaper ? No place to burn money ? Ok loh like that if I have a property initially wanna sell 500K but I deliberately ask for 700K then give you 20% discount at 560K Ok or not ?

If indeed market price drop 20% meaning something bad happened to the economy, then probably your boss cut 20% from your pay, then 20% discount mean nothing to you.

Can't be economy very good owner can pay mortgage easily but deliberately give 20% discount for fun, if really wanna do charity might ask well earn your money then donate to those really in need, why give to sochai like you ?
Give you advice you says is troll & dog eye, now give you what you ask for loh, day & night dreaming, wanna buy thing above your own mean keep dreaming people will come offer you at lower price, ask your self if you have a property can sell for 500K easily, I come ask you sell to me at 400K despite all other buyer offer you 500K, you want to buta2 get 100K less or not ?
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troll sampai 3 times... of course you are making an investment... the price are determine by demands isn't? stand alone sendiri naik? owner call price?

if price drop 20% means no demand, owner needs cash and off burden and move on to other newer properties cannot one? property so great, it affect economy, other source no use one...

a very good owner and a careful investors will think not emotional like , know will make a lost and price push cant work still wanna do it, like that can sell one?

later price not realisation then keep for children, holiday house and etc defeating investment purpose isn't , you invest for more money, now money cant get, lock down, god know when only can get, same time need to incur cost , price got limitation vs years...
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post Nov 25 2014, 10:21 PM

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QUOTE(Jliew168 @ Nov 25 2014, 09:42 PM)
Hahhaha what the problem I song song buy n keep vacant? Many others did the same somemore midfield 2 consider quite cheap. I got my income from my business why I want to flip so fast..I don't mind keep long long and leave it vacant or rent out. I not full time property investor

Latuk manutdgiggs n zuiko even keep few landed in DPC..

Where u learn your math ? Din I told u before if the price does not fall below the price I bought and possible yearly 4-6% increment And about 4% rental yield I am quite satisfied already meh...why die die must earn 200k n above..if like that everyone no need work just buy property enough lo...

Every project can flip minimum 200k just your assumption. No free lunch in this world n no way one step to heaven..

Many here main source of income is from employment n business not from flip property...if u think flip property can make u rich I can tell u may be provided u have very sharp foresight n big water pipe from behind like your PAMA is super rich supporting u .
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post Nov 25 2014, 10:23 PM

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QUOTE(jolokia @ Nov 25 2014, 10:02 PM)
We dog eye you not because you don't have property or your salary is low nor your bank account is tiny...lol

We dog eye you because you know nothing but still like to showoff, we dog eye you because you have nothing yet like to look down on others, we dog eye you do nothing to improve your ability only dream for hand out from others, we dog eye you because you always aim for thing above your mean therefore can only dream price will crash to fulfill your day dream.

You deserved all these Dog Eye, till you do something to change yourselves.
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Fyi I dun dog eye bro bear. I'm here to help him. Wat I wan in return is the kopi susu he stil owes me.
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post Nov 25 2014, 10:27 PM

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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Nov 25 2014, 09:49 PM)
others, bro has given indication of 500k tags properties

I recall you said your inflation very fierce one, 10%

can we dont start with all buying song song for vacant? it is investment... buy song song no need wait lor.. later wait subsales also can keep what, extra 200k not very expensive what..
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I song song keep vacant I also don't mind because property is asset for me...if boh song then rent out

I keep vacant price also won't drop below developer price...so far I never see this phenomena for good property in klang valley ..since not drop below what I purchase why I worry ..still asset for me ..
I just not maximise the return but does not mean that is a liability for me
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Nov 25 2014, 09:51 PM)
dun so angry, not only you maa..

other owners like Link 2, Z residence, OUg exposure are more..

trying to determine the cut off period wherein cost vs price realisation vs time
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Bro, the cost will be recovered over the time, even u keep vacant for more than 1 year only rent it out, landlord will gradually benefit from it.. Invest in mutual fund initially already charged with 5-6% of investment cost, then got to wait wait wait it earn back the initially 5-6%, after that only start earning based on ur initially capital.. Even my studio is not thinking to sell when i move to bigger house.. Unless i have no intention to buy house anymore else actually everytime u buy and sell also incur cost, in long term it will eat up ur equity gained ( all this while i mainly focus on subsales)..

QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Nov 25 2014, 10:05 PM)
still have any stocks of the ppl you mention, got a bunch of new launched still unable to sell, mature, high end, low Dp

yup right no ask discount... o0o, every donkey, who goes to law firm asking discounts you say no..

you cash buy also ask law yer fee discount lor.. choose cheapest rate..

dun make up story.. this phenomena hits all property in klang valley the most..

the rich ppl never solicit the subsales product lor, many vacant till auction, till rent to negro...  notworthy.gif , one kind u also below 30
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Got 1 type of buyer u got be aware la.. This are mostly stay in family house then meanwhile buy new launch.. This type wont rush to stay in their new house.. My bro new house had take him more than 2years only stay inside.. And i have many this kind of purchaser around me.. At least 2 are buying ur favourite oug parkland..
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Nov 25 2014, 09:16 PM)
can you dun be a big kid... the whole Midfields 2 still got.. you tell me that you beratur song song long long buy for vacant? and keep?  notworthy.gif

550k bought, flip 750k (standard 200k)

550k loan, not taking ur example, you pay 30% other pay 10%.. that is around 2,350 per month, maintenance for Midfields around 27 cents?  maybe around RM300 per month

total damage = 2350 + 300 = 2650 per month ( not including other miscellaneous)

say upon vp you service loan around 2650 X 12 = 31.8k , from 750k , you need at least add up 781k..

if plus yearly increment, the bull run theory(aka known as yearly inflation) of 10% ( you are more daring you mention in the past), that would another 75k

the new price after 1 year vp = 75k + 781k= 856k

the new price after 2 year vp = 85.6k + (781k + 31.8k) = 973k..

the new price after 3 year vp = 97.3k + ( 973k + 38.1k) =1.108 million

that is assuming the OPR stagnant for the next 3 years.. if not the cost can easily hit 50k per year... plus the expected bull run/inflation..

now you say doable or not? I think the 1st year also got problem..
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Nov 25 2014, 09:19 PM)
anything that profited below 200k also sinful for you guys to profit right?
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post Nov 25 2014, 10:32 PM

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QUOTE(bcpbeancounter @ Nov 25 2014, 10:30 PM)
You win liao lo.
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No wonder he can't get any property yet..he looking for something that can give him this type of return lol tongue.gif
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Nov 25 2014, 09:51 PM)
dun so angry, not only you maa..

other owners like Link 2, Z residence, OUg exposure are more..

trying to determine the cut off period wherein cost vs price realisation vs time
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If i read you correctly, you are trying to gauge when will these investors go bankrupt right? So when people said buy song song to keep you cannpt accept la. If so, you should go to ask bomoh.
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Nov 25 2014, 10:15 PM)
troll sampai 3 times... of course you are making an investment... the price are determine by demands isn't? stand alone sendiri naik? owner call price?

if price drop 20% means no demand, owner needs cash and off burden and move on to other newer properties cannot one? property so great, it affect economy, other source no use one...

a very good owner and a careful investors will think not emotional like , know will make a lost and price push cant work still wanna do it, like that can sell one?

later price not realisation then keep for children, holiday house and etc defeating investment purpose isn't , you invest for more money, now money cant get, lock down, god know when only can get, same time need to incur cost , price got limitation vs years...
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Wrong again loh

Very good investors will not affected by temporary market up or down and certainly will not affected by emotion..

For me if cannot sell or cannot reach my target I will just keep..I will not sudden offload my investment because of sudden recession news or BLR increase etc

As I always advise u real estate is long term investment ..u won't go wrong In long term ..key word is margin of safety,cash flow, holding power

But someone In this forum does and become a very expensive lesson to him
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QUOTE(bearbearwong @ Nov 25 2014, 09:39 PM)
FD around 4%... plus... there is a difference, one is confirmed, the other is not and based on many factors, even the factors is right there are many units/competation and you need to be lucky ur units is choosen
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Fd around 4%, but property give average 10 from thr history on last since 2000 till to date. Which is better, fd is for old man lah..
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this brickfield graduate is so obsessed with property increased by 200k .

I hope after GST kicks in , I will laugh at this bear bear .

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