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 LYN Proton Saga/Iswara Driver's Thread! V28, Keep on Keeping on!

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davidke20
post Dec 29 2014, 05:57 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Dec 29 2014, 05:45 PM)
generally what rojak posted.

to add on:
can check the oil from the ATF (if auto, atf = auto transmission fluid)/engine dip sticks.
if too watery or too thick/viscous, should take caution.

for engine oil/atf check if it has odd colors/murkish look/texture.
if it does, avoid the car entirely as it will require an overhaul as coolant is mixed with the lubricant, be it from the engine or the radiator (ATF will flow through radiator for cooling)

Check the mileage/service stickers or markings (some of them are left behind carelessly tongue.gif) and see if there are overdue items.

can also see if the rpm if idling stable and how is the air cond quality/rpm after compressor kicks in.
FYI if all parts are original denso, iswara air cond is very capable of sub 5 or even sub zero temperatures on a good day upon full load.
so needless to say, typically the temperature knob is set to almost off position sweat.gif
anything more than half i would be cautious also as full air cond part replacement for original denso is 2-2.5k+

If auto, the bottom mountings (afaik they are called torque mountings) can be obtained for between rm100-200 for both pieces ORIGINAL proton.
however if for auto, they will have gaps/made softer to accommodate for jerkiness/lesser power of the auto transmission. this is good and all however it means that it will wear off very fast and chances are if you're looking at an auto car it's most likely torn.
Not expensive to replace, however consider filling the gaps with PU (Polyurethane, can find easily from hardware stores) when you buy new ones, let it cure before replacing.

sometimes, the coolant wouldn't be so obvious on leaks, so maybe pay attention if there are any drastic reduction from the coolant overflow tank/reservoir or if there are water/coolant stains from the water pump/hoses/connection parts.
same goes for engine oil/ATF/manual gear oil (much rare case for manual gear oil) leaks.

may check also on drive shaft boots if they are torn.
oem/non ori are cheap, 180-250 per piece however ori will be around/1k per piece

do full lock to lock (steering turn to max) turns and try to accelerate while doing it and see if there are any knocking noise.
may also check on steering response to find faults on steering rack/rack end/tie rod end/bushing wear and tear.
not expensive parts however it will take some time to troubleshoot/replace.

hmm i wonder if i miss out anything... maybe will add them if i can think of more.

perhaps sifu davidke20 (own only second hand cars) nestum (tire/suspension sifu)
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post Jan 5 2015, 07:42 PM

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Today went for check alignment at nestum, then went for a wake as my grandmother in law passed away.

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After back from funeral parlor, as usual must go for a car wash geh(call me superstitious lar)

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Walauweh!!!! Clean until.... beyond recognition jor

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Use blower to blow akon vent, gear shift boot, henbrek boot, every tiny little hole blow kaw² before use vacuum to suck wei!

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DIS NOT MAI KAR!!!!

Total damage RM15 with water wax

MGH I will not go other kar huash liao! wub.gif


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post Jan 5 2015, 08:00 PM

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QUOTE(yewwing @ Jan 5 2015, 07:58 PM)
which car wash. location please..lol
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https://www.google.com.my/maps/place/Medan+...#33;6m1!1e1

The car huash area is exactly in the STREET view, but now got atap ady laugh.gif Medan selera is just right there at the same compound. Freakin konvenien dou laugh.gif

Calling for CAR WASH TT wei!!! Need to negotiate with tauke see whether 10 cars 1 shot can get diskaun mou laugh.gif
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post Jan 6 2015, 08:47 PM

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CHAPALANG KAR HUASH TT

Normal car wash + vacuum = RM8
Additional water wax = RM10
Promotion COMBO = RM15

Optional:
Dashboard & cabin panels & furnishing shine(non-grease) for leather use(also can prevent PVC dry cracks) = RM10
Cushion, carpet(not the floor mat) & roof carpet wash = RM170


Date: 17th January, 2015
Time: 10am start TT. First cum first wash basis. Cushion/carpet/roof wash please reschedule directly with tauke, otherwise take up too much of other TTer's time

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davidke20
post Jan 6 2015, 08:53 PM

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QUOTE(ca2n @ Jan 6 2015, 06:56 PM)
Air-cond compressor refusing to kick in  cry.gif

It started happening a few weeks ago. At that time, one push of the air-cond switch wouldn't necessarily get the compressor running (the fan blew just fine, albeit warm air coming out of the vents). A means of rectifying it would be to turn the air-cond switch on and off again, sometimes repeatedly until the compressor decided to run. And, when it did decide to run, air-cond was cool as usual. However, sometimes the compressor did cut-off and didn't cut back in again. And the repeated on-off process was repeated.

Today, it just plainly refused to turn on at all, despite numerous on-off attempts at the air-cond switch. Anybody have any ideas on what's wrong?  sad.gif
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Could be as below, from cheapest on top:

1) Thermostat potentionmeter rosaked/longgar
2) Wiring(sometimes it's even more expansive than hardware if the wayaring kena gigit tikus, dunno which part)
3) Radiator bocor, air tarak kipas tamau puseng, akon kompeser tamau engeij. Coba cek radiator dulu
4) Kompressor clutch demagnetized
5) Kompressor koyaked




6) Lebih dari 1 barang rosaked yg seperti cerita atas doh.gif

Good luck
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post Jan 6 2015, 08:55 PM

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QUOTE(yewwing @ Jan 6 2015, 07:25 PM)
wooo nearby my working place  biggrin.gif  biggrin.gif ...i work at manjalara

Thanks for the location

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Recently upgrade to twin pot, the braking is  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
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brows.gif bikin mana? berapa kena itu 2pot? Belakang disc berak cut & paste or mirage axle? Berapa kena itu belakang disc berak? brows.gif
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post Jan 6 2015, 09:45 PM

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QUOTE(megadisc @ Jan 6 2015, 09:29 PM)
btw...after car battery died this evening coz i left the light switch on this morning.

what should i do next ???

bring the battery to work shop for a recharge even if i can start????

pls advise.
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Jump setat xin, then leave the car idle for 15 mins dun tarj. Will selfcarj geh icon_idea.gif
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post Jan 6 2015, 11:37 PM

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QUOTE(yewwing @ Jan 6 2015, 11:14 PM)
nice nice 10am start, finish all the car, the guy should be very tired already...hahaha
my previous setup is front perdana and rear perdana, latest is front evo III and rear maintain perdana.
Rear using saga axle with perdana brake..hehe
Front also using saga knuckle with twin pot  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
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hmm.gif EBO3 is PCD100 wor, unless GSR. But GSR is 1pod not 2, coz lastaim I was using GSR. Also surveyed other possibilities such as Chery Eastar, but same case like EBO brakes, the front part bearing hub kenot fit into the knuckle unless whole knuckle changed, which is what I did to fit in the GSR beraks. Even the tie rod end had to redrill the knuckle baru can fit back in. After that camber all lari kuat² must use ejes kao kao baru can straight. So ayam now puzzled, the rear axle where got mounting point for disc berak caliper leh? If dun got how to plonk disc berak at the back geh hmm.gif

Anyway, I got no plobrem with hub berak at the back, having the EBO berak infront is what I wish. Mind show me how you mount it up hmm.gif
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post Jan 6 2015, 11:38 PM

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QUOTE(chrisstse @ Jan 6 2015, 11:14 PM)
My mum's 2004 vios got that mechanism where if you switch off engine and the light is still on it will buzz till you are deaf. Not sure if we can get an aftermarket one.
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Got ar. Need to ask otai Pak zeone since he did before
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post Jan 7 2015, 06:40 AM

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QUOTE(yewwing @ Jan 7 2015, 12:39 AM)
My front disc already drilled hole to fit pcd 114, you need good workshop to modify rear disc brake using original saga axle.

Previous setup using front perdana caliper, I do not need to change any knuckle or tie rod. All using back stock

There are few members here using rear perdana disc brake with original axle
@gilbert @zaini @myself

just need to find a correct place to mod  smile.gif
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Uah! Looks like gotta CUT & PASTE lar the rear. CNC disc is also what I've been worried hmm.gif So, probably just gonna be Perdana front berak like you lastaim lar. Thanx for info. See u on Kar Huash day notworthy.gif
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post Jan 7 2015, 10:12 AM

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So I have a story to share, I used to have a 1996 Iswara until 2012 I sold it for a "new" 2004 LMST. Before this, the Iswara was trashed by your sohighness(me). So stressful everyday worrying what's next to repair. Powahwindow motor always weak/jam/stuck. Alarm always sot sot until set off by itself even I didn't touch the car. Center locking system also siao, sometimes open sometimes don't. Press the driver door lock, the rear door locks bump up doh.gif Pull up the driver door lock, the rear didn't go down also. When press the alarm remote, mahgai I tell u I stress until wanna kick the car liao. Already rushing going in office due to late, but the driver door locked, yet the rear door lock bumped up doh.gif Change the lock actuator good for sometimes, probably few months later again happen. After 1 door then the other! I also managed to crack my disc brake during a chase, the brake was too hot and so happened run into a puddle and the whole thing jammed with the brake caliper, sent my car to a 2.5 round gasing spin. Went trackday with my brother, die die dun wanto take out subwoofers. Ended up the whole speaker box slammed on the rear seat, then the rear seat detached off from the panel to hit my seat & I hit the steering wheel during a hard braking for hairpin. And ofcourse, I sent the car eat grass due to face glued on steering wheel ady. If you know the chinese old saying hit the cow through the mountain laugh.gif
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So damn many crazy & sadding stories with the Iswara. Until waifu got pregnant. Good thing started to happen as she komplen ekzos too loud. Demod started with a set of much less noise muffler, combination of EVERCO midbox, cekai RIMUS muffler, but the unknown brand 4-2-1 extractor remain untouch. Later, all esoba and springs changed to normal APM sampan edition. Instantaneously reduced cabin orchestra by 90%. Later on, due to petrol price hiked up to RM2.70, demod my SOLEX 4 barrel, later sold off once petrol price dropped laugh.gif Had a top overhaul, due to water boil. Ever since, the car give 0 problem to me until the day I sold car, that was like a good 6 years, other than service regular, change timing belt and once cooling coil leaks in 2011.

And now, the LMST give just as little problem as my previous Iswara, other than the ultra cabin orchestra that sing along as soon as you crank the engine laugh.gif
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post Jan 7 2015, 10:16 AM

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Quick question, how many of you guys still having the stock door locks actuators(the door lock motor on each door with center locking system on the alarm module) in the car until today?

Another question, if rosaked, will you go back buy Plotong original which cost an arm and leg? Or modify aftermarket universal fitted actuator?

Have you ever consider, whether the original lock actuator can be repaired/serviced?
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QUOTE(ca2n @ Jan 7 2015, 11:35 AM)
15-year-old Iswara. Rear actuators and driver's side actuator changed to Proton original actuators. Font passenger actuator original from factory. biggrin.gif

p/s: All 3 original actuators are still in possession. Haven't had the chance yet to get them back to working condition (if at all possible).
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QUOTE(Albert B @ Jan 7 2015, 01:18 PM)
After 13 years, 2 are replaced and 2 are still factory fitted units.

I tried to open the rosak ones, but could not find any screws, seems like sealed at the factory???

If internal faulty parts are those plastic gears, not sure if can get spares.
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My 2004 LMST, all 4 faulty even after change alarm module, none of them will pop had to manual lock. Recently I had good experience restoring my 2006 Savvy passenger side door actuator, had totally back to normal now after several months. So I thought I'd give it a try on my LMST. 1st, I did it on my driver door. The damn thing had totally revived since last Friday rclxms.gif Once the driver door was restored, came to know the rear passenger door is not damaged. The only reason it doesn't trigger was because it's a slave from the driver door. If driver door doesn't trigger, the rest of the doors won't. Since I saw good result on the driver door, yesterday begun on the passenger door. After "treatment", it doesn't fully restore! But atleast now out of 10 will have once or twice got response rclxm9.gif I'm anticipating another treatment when I'm free to see whether I can fully restore it.

Reason I asked those question is, wanting to know is there any people a fanboi of stock actuators. I personally hated the aftermarket part which last time I removed my Iswara and fitted those hideous green color universal actuators. Those aftermarket part actuate so harsh like going to crack my door, or the knob gonna burst out of its chamber. Not to mention that, the universal fitting converter often get rusted in the door panels and crack, if not worse when the gearing loose and stuck there, unable to change door actuator in the event of rosak. And if trying to use key to lock, and if the universal converter not properly align, probably gonna bend your keys doh.gif

I'll try to make a video on how I resurrect those vinkas when I project next round. I'm sure it's not 100% fool proof, but atleast can give it a try for resurrecting the stock actuators. They're just very nice gadgets that Plotong fitted for us. Very mild action and doesn't break my finger if I trying to lock/unlock manually by pushing/pulling the knobs.

Thanks for the feedback guys. wub.gif
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QUOTE(Albert B @ Jan 7 2015, 01:55 PM)
While waiting for your video, maybe for the meantime you can let us know what is the "treatment" you applied to resurrect them?
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Not commercial secret also. Been using this awhile until I try it on my Savvy few months back, and now actively trying it on my LMST icon_idea.gif


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post Jan 7 2015, 06:31 PM

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QUOTE(Albert B @ Jan 7 2015, 05:55 PM)
Thanks. I was thinking of those plastic gears of which the teeth or keyway are probably worn off, so it sometimes engages, sometimes slips depending on temperature of the day.
(below are sample photos of the gears, not from Proton)

To repair:
1) spare gears must be available,
2) the casing must be opened without breaking it.

Looks like both are not likely.
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Don't use WD40 plis nod.gif Go and find the 1 I posted. If not mistaken it was RM15/bottle. It's not cheap I know, but it does the job brilliantly. It conduct, penetrate, lubricate, yet still repel water notworthy.gif
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post Jan 7 2015, 09:24 PM

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QUOTE(Albert B @ Jan 7 2015, 08:42 PM)
Your drive shafts/CV joints, starter motor, mechanical fuel pump, water pump, wheel bearings, front track arms/bush, rear axle are still the original factory fitted ones?
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Wah! Lastaim my Iswara the CV joint keep on koyak like every year also kena. Until 1 time back in 2005 dunno my magician find 1 from where which cost RM120, plonk in ady drib the kar until 2012 sell kar still no sound laugh.gif

Those bushing hor, replace almost every 2 years. Sadly the rear axle bushing I totally omitted to replace, provided lastime I use injected esoba the car jump like mad on the road and weekend track events laugh.gif By the time I realize the rear end kok kok sound, had the axle unloaded to found the center coupling ady makaned. But no care lar, as long camber tarak lari, toe tarak lari. Drive saja lah, until sell car laugh.gif Still abit longgar after change the bushing and grease cups, when highspeed going through unevens the rear will have minor kok kok sound.
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QUOTE(chrisstse @ Jan 7 2015, 08:04 PM)
Sad story with your old car dude...

My whole alarm system was replaced last year by a aftermarket module when it will automatically bounce back after 5 minutes you lock it down. It took 12 years for it to break down. Not bad for Proton.  hmm.gif  hmm.gif  hmm.gif

Did not dare to take proton original as it will not cost only my arm or leg, but half my body due to budget. So, take the universal alarm system which is like rm200. I still have the original proton central locking system blackbox in the car but the actuator already gone liao...
Out of topic story:

Got this car from a plantation worker 3 years ago (The car was 9 year old that time). Surprisingly this car did not give me lots of problems. I only replace:
1) Odometer (10 years after used) => can't get my original LMSS lotus odometer as it's so rare in Sabah  =RM300
2) Front absorbers (not sure how long after use, i switch it right after i bought it)=> 2 x RM 150 (The mechanic told me it's kelabu punya bagus tahan, that time I am not very good with car, i just follow)
3) Aircond switch TWICE. Don't ask me why  doh.gif  = 2 x rm 40
4) Tyres. I changed 3 times the tyres. Total Rm 1100
        First time after i bought the car, i changed the front tyres as it wears out. Changed to continental tyres which i           
        regretted so much. I have to say continental tyres are not built for rough roads, and in Sabah mostly you got
        is rough roads with holes here and there (2 x RM 220).
        Last year, i changed the back tyres due to cupping problem. This time due to budget, i get the Silverstone
        Synergy M3  (2 x rm170) I know i got chopped gao gao because it's 2 days after hari raya.
        Then continental tyres wear off, changed to Toyo NanoEnergy 3 (2 x RM180)
5) Back absorbers (not sure, after i bought it for 2 years then it break down) = 2 x rm 75
6) Front breakpads => RM 45 per piece Total RM180
7) General Overhaul and clutch lining change after it reach 12 year old. Total RM 3000
8) The signal lights and wiper stick = rm 140
9) Alarm system = RM 300
Grand total = RM5330

Why I got all this price down is because my girlfriend start to complain i spend more on car than her today  sweat.gif  sweat.gif  sweat.gif .  Sampai want me to buy new car summore. I just told her that she did not see that it's been 3 good years with nothing major and the total is only RM5000. If i buy new car I need to pay yearly at least RM5000 for even the SV saga. If I did not do the general overhaul (Car has no problem running, but since it's 12 years old, why not pamper it so it can work for another 5/6 years?), it would be RM2000+.  So, for me it's more worth it this way. But the RM3000 general overhaul is really painful to my wallet la some more it's near CNY already.    rclxub.gif

Service my aircond today and it's just freaking cold.

Sure have to ikat perut to save for my CNY soon.
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LMSS was my 1st choice geh, but waifu say LMST looks newer wor. Sadly, the LMSS parked there the headlamp wasn't clean properly, so the LMST win liao the point of time finance minister say the LMST headlights looks very new. Now.... haiz..... blur until doh.gif
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QUOTE(megadisc @ Jan 7 2015, 10:32 PM)
ehhh ??? that no like wd-40 ah ?
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Go do research online, particularly search for Q20. Not that ayam trying to bluff, but so far Q20 is the oni lubricant that the oil is heavier than water. I only have good result restoring my actuators with Q20. So if ur other brand lube become grease & jam the actuator dun kambek & blame me say teach rubbish yo whistling.gif Besides, having a bottle of Q20 to replace your existing lube no harm also even if my trick doesn't work. Am I wrong? Seriously ayam not affiliate with Q20, but recon such good product might as well help them promote. My house no longer keep yellow blue spray lubricant liao, if u know huat I mean whistling.gif
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QUOTE(chrisstse @ Jan 7 2015, 11:19 PM)
LMST was my first choice because it is newer but that time the one that fits the budget is LMSS. In my opinion, LMSS was too loud, the exhaust from the factory also like that. I have heart problems sitting inside a car that is too loud.

LMSS uses the old model lamp, so memang if your car signal lights got holes, and after rain it will have fog around the lamp, making it look like old car. LMSS is special edition so i guess more worth it? Especially with the red Lotus dashboard....now that I have lost it, i kind of missed it. sad.gif  sad.gif
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When you drive at night....

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Blue kaler yo.... so gei sleep.gif

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The red color scheme is just nice for the eyes. Lidis atleast it's sharp, easy to view. 1 glance all needful information in the eyes liao icon_idea.gif

Not to mention the painful suffer of having stuff dropped out from the glove compartment, which doesn't have a door! Untra unpractical to the max doh.gif

Headlamps if you don't like, pls exchange with me. I'll bear the shipping cost ok
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If you do not know how to appreciate an LMSS, here's 33 ooohs and aaahs
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Sorry to say, other than personal preference like yourself, LMSS features easily tapaued LMST, LMST(Merdeka edition 2006 orange kaler red tail lamp tinted with CD Player), original Iswara, Iswara aeroback, Saga Orion, Saga Magma, Saga Megavalve, Saga Knight, Saga Aeroback.

So if you would like to have LMST, I dun mind swap every single thing from my LMST with your LMSS, including entire dashboard migration. And not to mention the plasticky door panel that makes me wanna kick my car everytime when I try to open the door.
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QUOTE(alexwsk @ Jan 8 2015, 11:30 AM)
i just changed mine few weeks ago - 10 yrs old LMST
RM300 for all 4 actuators (2 yrs warranty) - gun type - yeah they are too strong and too loud
after changed the actuators my stock alarm works again - before that press red or blue button oso no response, but when replace car battery will trigger the alarm (so i know it's not dead yet)

was told proton originals will cost slightly more than that but comes with no warranty
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Deswai, as soon as I get a hand on the door actuators again, I'll rekod video and hope to benefit those who koyak their stock actuators, may be got hope to revive them by a small fraction of cost, and to remain all the goods from factory fitted actuators.

Already 3rd day, the damn actuators behave ultra normal like not broken before. Out of 10 trigger, 10 working!!! Only once I kacaued it pressed down manually, after that it won't kambek up even I press the remote. Anyways, that I guess is an isolated case, as the day was dark so I didn't bother to open door panel. This morning press the remote fob, tweet tweet, IT P O P !!!!! wub.gif

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