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 LYN Proton Saga/Iswara Driver's Thread! V28, Keep on Keeping on!

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fortuner11
post Nov 9 2016, 11:38 AM

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Anyone know how the fuel line at the fuel tank is located? Is it just a tube at the bottom of the tank?

Also if let's say running on low fuel, how much risk that dirty things may get into the line and clog it up?


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post Nov 10 2016, 08:28 AM

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QUOTE(Albert B @ Nov 9 2016, 09:49 PM)
According to the book, the "pickup tube" is near the bottom, so as to avoid the dirt, water etc. In addition, there is a fuel filter as in the supply line.

I noticed that the fuel tank drain plug is not at the very bottom but slightly higher. Not sure why.
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Are there any bigger risks of dirt being sucked up more if we fill up only during the fuel warning lit up?


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post Nov 13 2016, 10:49 AM

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QUOTE(Albert B @ Nov 10 2016, 10:32 AM)
Logically, there is not much difference on the amount of dirt sucked in,
whether the tank level is near empty or not.
1) Heavy particles will stay below the intake/suction point, whatever the level.
2) Light particles that are emulsified and moving around with the fuel will
be the same at the intake/suction point whether the level is low or high.
3) The sloshing of fuel when near empty may not be as strong as at higher level,
so may kick up less dirt, but this is just an assumption, not proven.
4) The fuel return from the carburettor has been filtered, so actually the
system cleans the fuel in the tank by this circulation. So a lower volume in
the tank circulates more times through the filter, so is cleaner. Again just
an assumption, not proven.

Like mentioned by others, we just need to change the filter regularly.
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I see. There was sometime back I read that for those EFI cars, it is not recommended to drive with low fuel as it will damage the fuel pump (in the tank).


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post Dec 2 2016, 01:57 PM

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My tripmeter has stopped working for some time. Last time I have tried to remove the meter and try to spin the numbers I think but never seem to work. Something must be stuck.

How do we estimate when to change timing belt in this case?


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post Dec 6 2016, 12:10 PM

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QUOTE(Tham @ Dec 4 2016, 07:29 PM)
Yes, you are right there.

In my case, I just dripped the oil into the tiny starwheel, as well as the
digits of the tripmeter and odometer.

If the tripmeter was the culprit, I guess this must have freed it up, and
consequently the starwheel and odometer as well, assisted by the
really slippery oil at the same time.

Possibly in my case, the green gear wasn't really slipping in its shaft yet.
Is the green gear driven by the long vertical shaft/gear, in turn driven
by the spinning metal disc (called the speed cup), itself driven by the
speedometer cable ?
The oil is worth giving a try before replacing the whole unit.

Even if you replace the whole speedometer, as in my brother-in-law's case
when he bought a brand new one for his son's Iswara,  the lousy locally-made
thing gave way again after a couple of years. Cost him 140 bucks.

VDO, even the original German-made one, is a lousy brand.

In the 70s, these Toong Fong Mercedes buses had German VDO meters.

As I sat in the front seat, I watched the fuel meter swing wildly to/fro left right.
Like a cheap China toy.

It was horizontally mounted at the bottom of the speedometer, I remember.

I wrote a letter to VDO Germany and their factory in Penang screwing them up
for poor QC then.
Compare that to the trip/odo, fuel/temp, speedometer cable in my old Toyota
Corolla. Still going strong after 30 years when I sold it.

The only thing I had changed in that car was the meter's float in the tank.
Bought a Taiwanese one for 20 bucks.

And that fuel/temp meter was very well stabilized, smooth moving, not like
that toy-like VDO.
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Mine changed the speedometer cable b4 too.

But for my tripmeter, it has been faulty since I last replaced the timing belt. And I haven't keep track of the mileage since then.

But for me I'm not using this as a daily car, so it shouldn't be too high in mileage.

I wonder if I can one day ask the mech to open and do visual inspection of the belt?


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post Dec 24 2016, 09:46 AM

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QUOTE(Tham @ Dec 15 2016, 12:29 PM)

Otherwise, just use some simple arithmetic, If you don't use the
car much, say just 10,000 km a year, then replace it only
after seven to eight years.

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Don't have too much time on hand to DIY stuff these days.

I guess I'll just have to do very general estimation and hope it doesn't break.

It's also inconvenient to keep calculation each time I drive. Albert suggested method to use the petrol refill to estimate, but I think this may not be too accurate as sometimes I drive with aircond and sometimes not.

I guess maybe for next timing belt change, I'll see to change the meter cluster.. as now it's already running for quite a while since I last changed timing belt (although not heavily driven) and I have no idea how much miles have accumulated.


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post Dec 25 2016, 11:02 AM

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QUOTE(Tham @ Dec 24 2016, 04:27 PM)
It won't take more than two hours to dismantle the meter panel,
turn the odometer gear by hand a bit, drip silicone oil in there,
then assemble back.

If you can't find the time, then that can't be helped.

When was the last time, roughly, when the odometer stopped working ?
Just estimate the number of months ago.

Then to be safe, overestimate the distance you drive daily.

Say usually 50 km, or 30 miles,  but put it at 60 to 70 km, or 40 miles.

Multiply by 30 days, then the number of months.
Add that to the mileage already done since you changed the belt
to the last reading of the odometer.
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I've opened the panel before in the past. Just nowadays feel a little "lazy" to do the DIY. Some of the screw socket at the side have chipped off the last time I open the cluster. Since things are old and brittle, scared of damaging things unnecessarily.

There is also that meter cluster illumination bulb flickering on and off during night driving. But I seldom do night drive, so I just leave the problem for now.
But anyway, I'll try your oil drip method if I am up for it.

Odometer stopped working like more than 5 years.. probably more..

Yes, will be using rough estimates for now. Sometimes even we drive also we don't really know what is the distance.. unless we google map the route and look for it specifically.
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post Jan 22 2017, 12:57 PM

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My dashboard Oil Pressure light is not lighting up again (before engine is started, it should show Battery and Pressure light when key in ON). But only battery light is lit. Last time I mentioned here it was after I took out the dipstick and check oil level. Later the next time I did touch the dipstick, the Oil Pressure light is okay again. Now, is again malfunction because I touched the dipstick. Not sure when it will be ok again, maybe have to touch the dipstick again. But @Albet mentioned dipstick has nothing to do with oil pressure sensor. But now, is the 2nd time my oil pressure sensor haywire after touching the dipstick. Any logic explanation? Other than dipstick, I only touch things like radiator cap, and radiator tank cap.
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post Mar 30 2017, 12:12 PM

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(Manual trans.) When engaging into first gear from non-moving state, my car will jerk during the bite point. It feels as if engaging into a higher gear than 1st gear. Say ordinarily if you engage into 2nd or 3rd gear from non-moving, you get that sort of jerk during the bite point. Mine is 1st gear has that. Try increasing the rev but it still jerks.

Is that normal?


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post Apr 2 2017, 11:18 PM

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QUOTE(Albert B @ Mar 31 2017, 10:00 AM)
I experience this when, during letting go of the clutch pedal, I hold at the biting position. If I just let go continuously, it does not occur.
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More like during the initial bite, i goes trembling. Like wouldn't want to synchro smoothly.
Not big deal is it?
Maybe the tension is less. Need to turn that tensioner knob, make the bite point higher.

Btw, I notice my car exhaust drip water quite noticeably. I think it might be water from the radiator. Although there's no white smoke. Like after I come back from a journey on a hot day, I can still see clear water droplet at the exhaust. If I run the engine on idle, the water drops like 1 drop in every 2 seconds. Is this normal?
The other day just noticed my radiator reserve tank empty and radiator itself is slightly lack of water. Refilled everything.




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post Apr 18 2017, 12:27 AM

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Was trying to topup my engine oil but accidentally overfilled by about 6mm above MAX line.
What should I do?
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post Apr 18 2017, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(feralee @ Apr 18 2017, 09:38 AM)
Drain it out.
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Is it urgent/necessary or alright to leave it as is?
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post Apr 19 2017, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(Kbbteoh @ Apr 18 2017, 10:09 PM)
for my case, i always put extra, add more than max line a bit, until now there is no problem. because lazy to drain out and put back again.
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Any performance issue with the above max line amount?
Like lesser acceleration or anything?

If want to drain out, need to open the plug down there slowly right?

Actually before this, with the normal level of engine oil I normally can feel sometimes during cruising on straight road, once in a while I can sense a certain unexpected power boost. But with this current level, it seems like sometimes there's a bit of resistance instead.

By the way, I am using 15W40 because mine doesn't consume engine oil. But the mech told me they normally give 20W50 for Iswara. I remembered back then I have always used 15W40 the yellow Helix from Shell. Once before I tried the red Helix which is 20W50, it feels like driving a truck with no power and loud engine.

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post Apr 24 2017, 10:37 AM

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If mounting is bad, is it good to let the steering vibrate or rattle during idle?
Any long-term problems?
If I set the idle RPM higher the rattle will disappear.
Can I just leave it rattling (don't care about the noise for now)?
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post May 4 2017, 07:27 AM

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I feel my braking seems a bit unbalanced.
Right after my brake service last time, I feel the brake is very balanced on all four wheel.
Now I find it is as if more braking is on the front than the back, and need to press brake pedal harder to stop at traffic light.
Also, my rear brake and handbrake seems a bit less effective. During slope going upwards, if I pull my handbrake to full I can still feel my car slipping backwards. And once I parked on a small incline front facing higher gradient, the car slipped back after parked.
Is the handbrake tension need adjustment or drum brake issues?
I remember my drum shoe was changed during entire brake service.
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post May 18 2017, 03:25 PM

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Is the fuel tank only critically low if the FUEL WARNING orange light flash continuously vs intermittent flash?

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post Jun 17 2017, 10:21 AM

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During early morning cold engine drive, when I step in the clutch (Disengage the transmission) the RPM will go slightly higher a bit.

What is this related to?

If engine is warm, no problem the RPM will just come down when I clutch in.

(Both scenario, during clutch disengage, no throttle is pressed) .


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post Jun 23 2017, 11:04 AM

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Any idea why my car once in a while will flooded after switching off​ engine for a while?

Such as parking to buy something and coming back. Occasionally the car floods and require full throttle down to start the car.


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post Aug 11 2017, 12:03 PM

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Is there anything bad about over-tightening the battery fill caps, other than difficulty re-opening it later?
I suppose the vent holes are sufficient for pressure release right?


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post Aug 11 2017, 02:11 PM

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[quote=Quazacolt,Aug 11 2017, 01:22 PM]
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Break the rubber seals and potential fluid leak over time causing corrosion to your car chassis
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There's gasket in there?
I use this wrench to slightly tighten it.
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Don't really trust hand tighten because last time there were minor seeping out from hand tightening.



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