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 LYN Proton Saga/Iswara Driver's Thread! V28, Keep on Keeping on!

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post May 26 2016, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(alcyon @ May 26 2016, 10:32 AM)
if you don't do it soon, you will wear out the belt faster , and also glaze the pulley surface thus reducing its grip on the belt. Why not tighten it yourself . It is pretty accessible.
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Do you have any picture or guides?
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post May 28 2016, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(alcyon @ May 26 2016, 01:36 PM)
Loosen the nut on the side..then turn the upper bolt to raise the tensioner. After that retighten the side nut. The side nut is the one at center of the tensioning pulley.
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Okay thanks. The upper nut is the one below the dipstick in the picture right? Will have a look when I'm free. How tight should I tighten it?
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post Jun 4 2016, 08:17 PM

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QUOTE(alcyon @ May 28 2016, 11:41 AM)
Unfortunately I cant tell you how tight to go, best bet is keep tightening a few turns at a time and re test until no more squealing, you want the minimum tension required to stop slippage/squealing.
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I tightened it until it is like 2 person pulling on a rope at each end. Maybe 1 or 2mm for me to pull it up or down?
Will any problem arise? I just read Albert image and saw it mention 6 or 7 mm normal tension.
Can I leave it this way?



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post Jun 5 2016, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(Albert B @ Jun 5 2016, 10:08 AM)
The guideline of 6-7mm deflection is for a force of 10kg. Your 1 -2 mm is how much force applied?

To achieve this accurately requires tools like belt tension gauge, or using portable spring scale which may be a problem in the tight space. For DIY, seems the only way is to estimate how much is 10 kg finger pressure, and how much is 6-7 mm.

If the belt is too tight there is extra stress on the pulley bearings. Too loose will cause slippage.
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I just use my finger to try to pull it upwards and push it downwards at the center of the belt. Can move around 1-2 mm, like 2 person pulling a rope at each end to make the rope straight.

I don't really know how to estimate 10kg finger pressure as well. Before this, I think I can move the belt up or down maybe 1 or 2 cm / 1 inch..

Do you think I should go and loosen it some more?

Btw, this belt doesn't turn when AC is off right?

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post Jun 5 2016, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(Albert B @ Jun 5 2016, 03:44 PM)
No, the belt is always running with the engine , irregardless of whether the air-
cond is ON or OFF. So it is always driving the pulley at the compressor, but the
pulley is not always connected to the compressor; there is an electric clutch that
connects the compressor when air cond is switched ON.

To get an idea how much 10kg of finger pressure, you will have to press on those
weighing scales for weighing persons, or those used in the market to get a feel of
it. (One cement/sand brick is about 2.5kg, so 10 kg = 4 bricks).

I assume your 1-2mm is pulling with not high strength, what if you push or pull
harder?

But this still a crude way of applying the right pressure on the belt. As we do not
have those special tools, I can't find a more accurate way using common
household objects.

Some alternative ways of checking tension:
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMiB3CnZpRc
http://www.howacarworks.com/electrical-sys...ing-drive-belts
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Okay the 1-2mm is when I apply very light finger pressure like trying to see how much "loose" space I can lift it up or push it down. I think this probably not 10 kg from the looks of it. I did not over-pull it like trying to see how much the rubber can "stretch".

I will try to see if my kitchen scale, which use to measure flour have 10kg reading or not. I'll try and get that feel.

Yes the belt should be running all the time like you said. I can't recall a time I've seen it stop.
Used to think it is the timing belt but I read timing belt is hidden under or something.





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post Jun 6 2016, 10:12 PM

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QUOTE(Albert B @ Jun 6 2016, 11:50 AM)
The timing belt cannot be seen as it is fully covered for protection, because its function is much more critical and accurate than the other belts (a small slippage results in valve and spark timing totally out, and maybe the pistons will collide with the valves).
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If AC belt happen to break, it wouldn't affect the timing belt and car still runs?
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post Jun 7 2016, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(Albert B @ Jun 5 2016, 03:44 PM)
No, the belt is always running with the engine , irregardless of whether the air-
cond is ON or OFF. So it is always driving the pulley at the compressor, but the
pulley is not always connected to the compressor; there is an electric clutch that
connects the compressor when air cond is switched ON.

To get an idea how much 10kg of finger pressure, you will have to press on those
weighing scales for weighing persons, or those used in the market to get a feel of
it. (One cement/sand brick is about 2.5kg, so 10 kg = 4 bricks).

I assume your 1-2mm is pulling with not high strength, what if you push or pull
harder?

But this still a crude way of applying the right pressure on the belt. As we do not
have those special tools, I can't find a more accurate way using common
household objects.

Some alternative ways of checking tension:
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMiB3CnZpRc
http://www.howacarworks.com/electrical-sys...ing-drive-belts
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I guess I'll leave it as it is for now.
I re-checked again on the tension. The belt doesn't stretch much when I pull it with force.
So I can only roughly see how much "free play" or "loose space" I can lift it up or push it down.
I guess overall, the space distance between when I pull it up max and push it down max is about maybe 1 cm.
So I guess it is probably 4-5mm up and 4-5mm down.
In worst scenario, if tension on the pulley bearings, what's gonna happen? Is it costly to repair?


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post Jun 26 2016, 09:27 AM

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Normally when change engine oil, do mechanics apply teflon/white tape on the drain plug to avoid leaking? A lot of cars I see drip engine oil after servicing is that because of not applying this on the plug?


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post Jun 27 2016, 11:53 AM

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QUOTE(Albert B @ Jun 26 2016, 09:55 AM)
As far as I know the white tape is not applied, but for present cars there is a
'gasket' (looks like flexible washer) that is changed, see below.

For my previous car, there is not even a gasket, and the plug works quite well.
The plug has a finned head which helps to make a good seal.
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I think mine has lost the gasket. Do mechanics have the replacement gasket or should I ask them to put teflon tape next oil change to avoid leaking?



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post Aug 9 2016, 01:11 PM

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My dashboard clock always not accurate. After adjusting, it will go faster and faster after few weeks. Is the clock spoiled beyond repair or some other issues?


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post Aug 20 2016, 11:17 PM

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QUOTE(alcyon @ May 26 2016, 01:36 PM)
Loosen the nut on the side..then turn the upper bolt to raise the tensioner. After that retighten the side nut. The side nut is the one at center of the tensioning pulley.
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Wanted to find tune the AC belt tension after the first attempt few months back. Still have minor sound once in while when aircond on.

Measured the existing tension first using ruler. Pull up the belt is about 4-5mm..

But then I noticed my spanner keep slipping want to turn the side nut. Don't know why. Last time I use the same spanner no problem. Looks like the side nut seem stuck.

But can turn the top nut. I'm not sure whether that has any effect when the side nut is not turned. Seems like can have a bit of effect. I can just turn the top nut with hand. Didn't tighten it with spanner in the end. Just hand tighten.

Any ideas weather the top nut have effect when turned without turning the side nut?

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post Aug 21 2016, 08:33 PM

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QUOTE(Albert B @ Aug 21 2016, 11:04 AM)
1) My understanding of the tensioner device is that if the side (locking) nut is tight, there can be no adjustment of the tension.

2) Also, to tension the belt by hand turning the top nut is not likely, even if the side lock nut is loosened, as the belt tension is quite strong.

3) My guess is the top screw itself is being loosened out, or just some slack in the adjustment device. Does the screw itself move up or down when turned?

4) The slipping of the spanner on the side nut - are you using the open ended spanner? Try to use the swivel head socket type of spanner - this will give you better grip of the nut.
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What I did was first use open-ended spanner to turn the side nut. At first, thought it was loose (actually later found my spanner just slipping).

Later I use the same spanner to turn the top screw to loosen it.

After that I can just freely turn it (top screw) counter clockwise with my finger till the entire top screw can be unscrew until it goes way up maybe 2-3 inches (almost out of its socket). Didn't feel much change in the tension of belt. So I use finger to turn it clockwise back to its resting position. Didn't bother to use spanner to tighten it.

After that only I try the side nut again and realize it seem stuck. I use another spanner this time - the one which can self adjust the gap - when it is tight, I try to force it either clockwise or anticlockwise but didn't seem like wanting to move.

So now just left with the side nut not not moving. Not sure if maybe I overtighten it last time I adjust the thing. And the top nut I yet to tighten it with spanner. Just leave it hand tightened.

The AC belt tension for now about more or less same as before I did this 2nd adjustment (~4-5 mm).

While doing it, I also see another belt in front of the AC belt. I think this must be the alternator belt. I use finger to test its tension. It was way more tense than my AC belt. As if almost 0mm tension. This is the tension there since long time ago.

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post Aug 22 2016, 09:20 AM

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QUOTE(Albert B @ Aug 21 2016, 09:41 PM)
From your description , I think you have unscrewed the jack screw 2 - 3 inch out
of the mechanism.

This screw is supposed remain and not to go up or down when we turn it
clockwise or counterclockwise. The nut inside is supposed to go up or down and
this nut is attached to the roller. But because this nut is still jammed by the side
locking screw, it cannot move, so the top screw have to give way. And there is no
resistance so you can turn by hand. (see example of mechanism below)

Somehow you still have to free the side screw. Open spanner and the adjustable
spanner will not work for a jammed screw, and they may make the hexagon head
rounded, and the slippage can cause injury.
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Is size for the side screw should be the same as the top screw?
I am using the double ended open spanner. The side with the same size which is used to loosen the nut on the battery holder.

Somehow it still feel like the spanner size is a little large for the side screw.


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post Aug 25 2016, 01:05 PM

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QUOTE(Albert B @ Aug 22 2016, 05:37 PM)
I checked mine, top is 12, side is 14.
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Checked mine. Strange, the side and top are both 12. But the side still stuck. I think the nut may have rounded a little bit. Maybe need to find the spanner which is round headed that wrap on the whole nut.

Mean while, I happen to look at the fuel pump and I notice that the top hose is actually just plugged there but not sealed to the fuel pump body outlet. It just loosely over the body outlet, not air tight or sealed. Is this normal? This hose connect to some kind of thin metal hose on the firewall. Is this the return to fuel tank hose? There is only one hose on the fuel pump which has a nut screwed tight. I think it is the fuel in hose.




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post Aug 25 2016, 11:41 PM

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QUOTE(Albert B @ Aug 25 2016, 05:55 PM)
Yes better use the socket type, example photo below.

There should be 3 hoses connected to the fuel pump :
-inlet, supply from tank (via fuel filter),
-outlet, supply to carburettor,
-outlet, return to tank (via the thin metal pipe).

The return is necessary because the supply  (constant) will be always more than consumption (depends on engine load), the surplus goes back to tank. If the return is not connected, the pump will keep pumping to the carburettor even when required fuel consumption is low and flood the carburettor.

The return hose should be tightened with hose clips to the pump outlet.

There is a 4th outlet going downwards. I think is for air breather or outlet in case
of diaphragm broken.
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Let me check again.

The one that I thought is loose is the one you label as "return".

However, I think I am looking at the brown shiny hose that seem to cover over the hose underneath.
Is that some kind of protective coat hose? It's not the actual hose I think right? Your picture shows a rubber tube underneath that coat hose. What I sense as loose I was looking at that shiny hose/ outer coating hose.


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post Aug 26 2016, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(Albert B @ Aug 26 2016, 09:21 AM)
Yes, fuel hose have that extra protective cover, presumably for safety reasons. You should be able to find your rubber hose underneath securely tightened to the pump outlet pipe.
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So the outer protective cover is not sealed/glued to anything right? I can see mine is just loose and just loosely fit over the underneath tube. Only 2 of the tubes have this cover - the OUT and RETURN. The IN and BREATHER tube don't have this shiny cover. Curious to why is it not all have that extra coating tube? Is that to protect the tube from high heat in some areas that may melt the rubber or something?



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post Sep 1 2016, 02:15 PM

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Is there any benefit to pump some RON97 to mix with RON95 if the car is less driven, to keep the RON more stable over longer time?


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post Sep 9 2016, 05:10 PM

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My engine oil pressure indicator on the dashboard went totally OFF for some time. During startup, before cranking engine, the dashboard only show BATTERY icon. Suppose to show both OIL PRESSURE ICON and BATTERY icon when they key is at ON.

I thought the bulb is burnt.

But after taking out dipstick to check level and put back one day, it comes back to life.

Is that a sensor issue?

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post Oct 13 2016, 11:51 AM

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Does the Iswara have very low designed 1st gear?
Normally I feel that when starting off from non moving, the 1st gear is at most useful for 1 or 2 seconds to get the car moving and then I would shift to 2nd gear quickly. It can't be used for dragging forward very long, unless on a slope or heavy car load.
Sometimes it feels like maybe better to just start from 2nd gear if not carrying passengers and on level ground.


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post Nov 3 2016, 12:04 PM

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If one area of bulbs (not whole area) on the dashboard meter flicker on and off when driving with headlight on, what is the possible problems? The printed circuit board inside the dashboard meter is damaged? Any urgency to fix it?



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