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post May 27 2017, 08:16 PM

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QUOTE(frontierzone @ May 24 2017, 04:58 PM)
It's the same for me. The steering rattle but if I put my hand there, the rattle stop.
That means steering rattle is not mounting problem??
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You can try change the mounting first if it is already very old since this is the most likely culprit. I think around Rm200-300.
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post Jun 18 2017, 11:02 PM

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Fuel consumption for my 1989 saga is hovers around 8-10km/L. Recorded fill up using drivvo apps. I think this is pretty high. Any tips on how to further improve the fc?
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post Jun 26 2017, 11:16 AM

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Can anyone share the wiring diagram for the aircond system for Saga. Need to check whether the control module is working since the mechanic said it is faulty and removed it. Help is greatly appreciated.

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post Jul 22 2017, 09:43 PM

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anyone know the orientation for the thermostat? Since the thermostat already removed previously, I dont know the exact positioning of it. I know the spring side is toward the engine block, but I'm not sure the correct orientation it should be seated.
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post Jul 24 2017, 01:38 AM

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QUOTE(Albert B @ Jul 23 2017, 05:23 PM)

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post Jul 25 2017, 07:33 PM

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Anyone know where is the temperature sensor indicated on the dashboard for proton saga?
Initially, I thought it was the one on the picture below, but mine was already disconnected and yet the temp gauge still working. hmm.gif
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post Feb 27 2018, 04:40 AM

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Anybody know where can I get used carburetor for megavalve engine? Since right now, my car is using 8v carb on a 12v engine. Preferably around Kedah area.

Also, does this weber carb can be used for my engine?
https://www.mudah.my/Carburetor+Weber+DFE+32-63856008.htm
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QUOTE(Albert B @ Feb 27 2018, 11:41 AM)
No idea about the Weber; in the mudah ad page, there
is one Wira carb for RM299 in Kepala Batas, near to Kedah,
looks the same as for Iswara.
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Yes. I plan to go see that carb. The price is ok for 2nd hand unit?

Anyway, I also have some issue with my car whereby when the car is accelerating from standstill, the car will shake very strongly. It happens recently and only when the engine has been warmed up. If I rev abit when releasing clutch, then it will be ok. Any idea why? The mounting seems to be ok (no cracks)

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post Mar 7 2018, 12:17 PM

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QUOTE(Tham @ Mar 6 2018, 06:36 PM)
Weber carburettors, particularly those 32/36 types, are gas guzzlers.

Most mechanics should be able to get you a "half cut" used one
for maybe $ 300 to 400.

A brand new Aisan variable venturi type will set you back $ 1,300 - 1,400.

Lots of China made ones on Ali Express, but not sure of their reilabilty.
This guy is selling his for $ 180.

https://www.mudah.my/Carburetor+iswara-64111928.htm
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Right now I am using 12v engine with 8v carburetor. Is the carb mounting the same for both carb? Or do I need to change intake manifold as well

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post Mar 10 2018, 01:55 PM

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I'd like to share with you guys the Mitsubishi manual for the old Aisan 28-32 carburetor manual used in first gen saga I just found

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post Mar 11 2018, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(Tham @ Mar 11 2018, 03:22 PM)
Thanks for all your good diagrams.

Do you find this older 8-valve carburettor more economical  ?
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Right now my 8v carb is not in its best shape. I can see fuel leak through the linkage. I already bought keyster carb repair kit for RM35 at auto shop and we'll see how it goes.

I heard old 8v carb has the same vtec effect as it have two butterfly but im not sure how true is this. hmm.gif
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QUOTE(Tham @ Mar 11 2018, 05:04 PM)
The second butterfly, or venturi, only opens at 4,000 rpm
and above.

That's why they call it a progressive downdraught carburettor.

Most times, the second butterfly never does open - in my older
Toyota Corolla KE70 - it never did, so much so that the linkage
jammed tight over the years (first the older carb, then the
new replacement carb).

That carb used a mechanical linkage to open the second butterfly,
rather than the vacuum diaphragm operated types on many other
Aisan, Hitachi and Mikuni carbs.

If you stepped on the throttle a bit too much, particularly when
starting as one stupid mechanic who tried to show me the
"correct way" of starting an engine by flooring the throttle,
the second butterfly would jam fully open, revs going up
to 6,000 rpm, nearly breaking my timing chain and wrecking
my engine.

So I disconnected the linkage to the second butterfly, making it a
single venturi carburettor only.

I remember the main jet on the primary venturi on this carb was about
0.103 inches. Yours is probably around there too.

Those Australian guys in the Toymods and Rollaclub forums
said that Aisans are jetted too rich, so they usually replaced it
with a smaller jet, about 0.096 inches.

The main jet on the variable venturi one was stated as 0.118
inches - that's why that carb is a gas guzzler.
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My current carb also sometimes will go haywire (idle rpm up to 2k after driving fast). I believe you sent a letter Aisan before due to this issue. Any feedback one the root cause or way to fix it?
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QUOTE(Exa_Bytez @ Mar 11 2018, 04:05 PM)
Right now my 8v carb is not in its best shape. I can see fuel leak through the linkage. I already bought keyster carb repair kit for RM35 at auto shop and we'll see how it goes.

I heard old 8v carb has the same vtec effect as it have two butterfly but im not sure how true is this. hmm.gif
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Guys, I have changed my old leaky carb to a used one. Before installing, I have cleaned it thoroughly with carb cleaner. Unfortunately, I did not proceed with carb rebuild like I planned earlier. After the carb change, the fast idle is working properly and idle is smooth. But one problem is that the car became harder to cold start and hot start. The only way to start it in both situation is to pull the choke fully for few seconds. I have tried fiddling with the air fuel screw(pilot jet I believe) but to no avail. One thing I notice is that I can visually see fuel spurted in the old carb when throttle is pressed, whereas for this newly installed carb, I can only smell the fuel, no spurting fuel. Is it because it is running to lean? I already tried to unscrew the pilot jet almost all the way but the car still hard to start.


Ps: I already changed a new spark plugs and readjusted the timing to 12°.

Appreciate some input on this matter.
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post Mar 21 2018, 06:21 PM

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QUOTE(Albert B @ Mar 21 2018, 04:00 PM)
1) Did the old carb require you to pull the choke, or you can
start straight away?

2) Enclosed is the page from Iswara owners manual for
starting with choke. 

3) The fuel spurting out when pedal is pressed is the
acceleration pump compensating for momentary lean
intake when the pedal is floored. So maybe your acceleration
pump is not working, could be the linkage or internal parts
problem. Maybe you can observe the linkage movement
when the pedal is pressed.

4) One way to confirm if it is too lean is to spray a bit of
carb cleaner down the carb throat and then try to start.
(Carb cleaner acts like fuel.)
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The old carb does not need choke during cold and hot start
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QUOTE(Tham @ Mar 22 2018, 02:39 PM)

You can also see it in the attachment.
I bought this carburettor, original Aisan, at that time from
Takara Auto in Jln Bacang, off Ipoh Road, for $ 450.


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That is cheap. When did you bought it?
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QUOTE(Tham @ Mar 27 2018, 07:59 PM)
The tiny jet of fuel you see spurting out when you move
the throttle linkage (even without starting) is from the tiny pipe
at the side of the carburettor throat, on top, pumped out by the
accelerator pump bellows.

It's meant to compensate for insufficient fuel coming in
from the primary jet when the car first moves.

If that is clogged, as in my Toyota once, you will feel the
car hesitating for a moment before picking up again, as
you move from standing.

This mechanic when cleaning that carb once, passed a tiny
wire strand thru that small pipe to unclog it.

You have a timing light ? Try increasing the timing to 15 degrees.

What plugs are you using ?

Try increasing the gap to 0.035 inches, or 0.9 mm.

Adjust this first before adjusting your timing.

The NGK BP5ES/Y (Nippondenso W16EX-U and Bosch W8D equivalent)
are usually gapped at 0.032 inches or 0.8 mm at the factory.

That is about the optimum for a car with electronic ignition.

If you are using a normal two-venturi Aisan, the idle mixture
screw, turned outwards about 5 full turns after fully turning in,
should be about right.

This MItsubishi 4G series is known to be hard to start at times.

If it runs well after starting, just let it be.

How is your fuel economy now ?
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Initially, the timing of the car was set at 18° by previous mechanic. When going uphill or high gear acceleration, there will be knocking. So, the new mechanic readjust to 12°. The new plug is w8dc from Bosch. Anyway, I asked the mechanic to perform rebuild of this carb and we'll see whether it can cold start tomorrow morning. Hot start seems to have been fixed after the rebuild.

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QUOTE(Tham @ Apr 1 2018, 04:31 PM)
I've had this Iswara since 2010 , so I would have changed
the carburettor in the older car over 10 years ago.
That Takara Auto is more of a wholesaler, and lots of auto
shops get their supplies from them.

So their prices are relatively cheaper. One auto shop boss
at that time was shocked when I told him I bought the Aisan
for only $ 450, so I guess the usual price in the normal retail
shops was more like $ 600 - 700.
When I was about to buy it at that time, I discussed with one of
the sales staff there that some people had suggested that
I modify the carb to a Proton Saga's.

His eyes bulged and said that will set me back easily $ 1,000,
presumably referring to the variable venturi model.

Which is correct. I had been told earlier by an Aerolite Auto
in Pudu (closed down since) employee, who drove an Iswara,
that he had replaced his for $ 1,400.
However, if you go to Takara to buy parts, be aware that the
boss, Mr Chong, is quite a "cocky" and rude man. Even
AME's boss, said he knew of his reputation.

I bought the Tama water thermostat from them for just $12.
However, they had only the 82 degree C rated one (which is
actually the right specs, since the thermostatic switch on the
radiator is set to turn the fan on the same temperature),
so I bought another Tama, 71 degrees, from AME Auto in
Sea Park later, as a spare. The boss,. Simon, sold it to me for $ 20.

How much did you buy your used Aisan ?  Did you get it from those
salvage yards ?
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I bought it from a guy which I found in facebook for RM90 with postage. The carb is ok other than the butterfly sometime cannot return back to closed position after pressing the accelerator probably because the butterfly is grinding the block. This caused the idle speed to be a little bit high regardless of the idle speed screw (+-1k, still tolerable). My plan for this car is to do a complete restoration both mechanically and aesthetically. So, if I can get new carb for cheap price, that would be great.
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QUOTE(amirkhan @ Apr 2 2018, 12:29 AM)
Is it this variable venturi carb ?
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No. Mine is an old one for 8v engine.
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QUOTE(Tham @ Apr 4 2018, 07:49 PM)
If you are also looking for a copper radiator, at least as
a spare, you can get one from this shop in Pandan Jaya
which I bought two weeks ago.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/YS+Radiat...fztCs0Q_BIIeTAP

Got it for $ 280, the one above, She said she was letting me
have it at the old price.

They had only one for the Saga there, but I guess she
can order another one if you want.

I heard from this mechanic who shares the same shop
as her that she gets it from Chan Sow Lin.

Another shop I enquired at Old Klang Road wanted $ 424 for
a two-layer copper radiator. Another is Segambut said
"above $ 350".

Copper is getting expensive, and not many
shops have copper radiators these days.
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Nice. Thanks. I just recently sent my car for radiator service. Also replaced the hoses and fitted with denso thermostatic switch. Last time the fan will on all the time. Unfortunately, the coolant in the reservoir keep decreasing. I need to top up at least a once a week with only around 70km distance traveled. No puddle underneath the car after parking overnight. Oil inside engine is not milky. hmm.gif

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QUOTE(Tham @ Apr 5 2018, 05:45 PM)
When he serviced your radiator, did he burp out all
the air bubbles by revving the engine at idle to 2,000 rpm,
after he had filled it up with water/coolant, with the cap off ?
The water level will drop for several days at it tries to
take up the air space.

Moreover, air in the system will make it run hotter.
Look carefully also at the core plugs - there are three or four
just below the intake manifold.

These tend to leak in old engines.

One leaked in my old Toyota.
Is your radiator the original single-layered Nippondenso
copper one since day one, or has it been changed
to an aluminium model ?

Either case, I'd suggest you buy a spare copper one
at the shop above at the good price she is giving now,
since copper radiators are getting scarcer and pricier
as time goes by.
The old copper one would have thinned out from corrosion
over the years, and the plastic tops of those aluminium ones
tend to leak from the inner rubber seal after some time.

That's why I don't like aluminium radiators.
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QUOTE(amirkhan @ Apr 6 2018, 03:00 AM)
IF you are sure of no leak anywhere wait for some days and keep refilling reservoir maybe there have been some air remaining and are discharging.
Other than that my first guess would head gasket .
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It turns out the mechanic is not burping the system long enough. Now the coolant is no longer disappearing. thumbup.gif
Now I am trying to tackle these problems:
1. During acceleration from a standstill, the car will vibrate and the RPM will drop as if there is resistance to move. This problem is more apparent when aircond is on but when aircond off also sometime can happen. It will only happen after the engine is running for several minutes.
2. When speeding more than 80kmh, the left front wheel will emit a low pitched noise. Already checked the wheel, bearing is normal. This issue also only happen sometime. First I suspect the brake is jammed, hence causing this issue and issue (1). But after brake service, same problem persist.

Help is appreciated. smile.gif

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