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KVReninem
post Nov 27 2014, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(felixmask @ Nov 27 2014, 03:38 PM)
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post Nov 27 2014, 01:30 PM

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QUOTE(KVReninem @ Nov 27 2014, 01:17 PM)
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mine blow wind...but what what i read is Middle east cost of their oil extraction is USD60.

The only problem Midddle east and Russian oil assume oil price is above USD100 to balance their budget from their oils sale revenue.

Oil is high speculation by ..which im no idea.

one to depress the oil so is look good for oil be cheap for every one.

Im not oil expert still scouting oilz news update.

Today is OPEC meeting at Vienna.

http://www.opec.org/opec_web/en/311.htm


After the meeting...they will give you the OIL out look...where you see Supply and Demand vairous country.

then u can decide when non OPEC member made noice and PUMP more oil....you can see the big impact of oil price.

like OPEC member dont want to reduce Supply...then either Non OPEC reduce the OIL supply or non OPEC drill more to sell more oil regards the price lower juz to get more profit to cover country budget.

Attach the link which we will some good outlook for 2015 OIl and GAS.

http://www.opec.org/opec_web/en/publications/340.htm

best you read all the year...

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post Nov 28 2014, 12:28 AM

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No action from OPEC. Oil down to USD70. Lots of blood in Malaysian O&G counters tomorrow.
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post Nov 28 2014, 02:41 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Nov 27 2014, 08:05 AM)
The decrease in EPS would only hurt if you are not given the appropriate portion of new shares.
For example, company does a split.
You own 10 shares.
After the 1 for 1 split, you get 20 shares.
EPS dilutes into half due to increase in shares.
But since your number of shares increases in proportion to the increase of shares, then the decrease in EPS does not hurt you at all.

Cases where it hurts.
Example: Company does a private placement of 20%.
Shares increased by 20%.
But you do NOT get any portion of those new shares.
EPS decreases.....
Does this hurt?
Yes.

Many company enjoy higher profit?
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thanks for input

in my radar... hevea, L&G, symlife all did report good profit.

well fitters and thong guan are not doing well

QUOTE(gark @ Nov 27 2014, 11:42 AM)
I am looking at SKpet instead..  tongue.gif

During these hard times, a firm and large order book is required so the business does not dry up overnight...

Dialog.. price do not move much... not much bargain there.  laugh.gif
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looking at it too since it's a big and stable company. might get it if below 2.80. what is your target price to buy?

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post Nov 28 2014, 08:51 AM

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QUOTE(spring onion @ Nov 28 2014, 02:41 AM)
thanks for input

in my radar... hevea, L&G, symlife all did report good profit.

well fitters and thong guan are not doing well
My comments were made on the overall market.

You could actually ask sifu gark for second opinion too. smile.gif

I did look at Symlife.

I do not share your optimism. sweat.gif

If you look at one of the key indicator... sales revenue was down a fair bit (more than 50%) compared to same quarter previous year.
Property sales not so geng eh? wink.gif

And because Symlife profits were boosted by that extraordinary one time gain (which most are already aware), profits were boosted by some 25 million.

Since there is the boost, we have to look at the core operating profits numbers and sad to say the numbers are disappointing.

Profit from operations this quarter was 1.88 million
Same quarter last year was 15.1 million.

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L&G numbers look far more encouraging.


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post Nov 28 2014, 09:36 AM

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wow Armada
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post Nov 28 2014, 09:42 AM

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QUOTE(johnnyzai89 @ Nov 28 2014, 09:36 AM)
wow Armada
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Anything with oil is getting absolutely hammered. sweat.gif

Opportunity is there.......................................... cos clearly 'some' (not all hor) of the prices are already being hammered to the extremes already. whistling.gif

But I would rather be patient.... and not attempt to be a hero by trying to aim for the bottom prices.

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post Nov 28 2014, 09:50 AM

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SKPETRO also same.
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post Nov 28 2014, 09:50 AM

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Woooo Hooo... oil drop 7% this morning.. now at USD 68 bbl.. icon_idea.gif icon_idea.gif icon_idea.gif
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post Nov 28 2014, 09:51 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Nov 28 2014, 09:42 AM)
Anything with oil is getting absolutely hammered.   sweat.gif

Opportunity is there.......................................... cos clearly 'some' (not all hor) of the prices are already being hammered to the extremes already.  whistling.gif

But I would rather be patient.... and not attempt to be a hero by trying to aim for the bottom prices.

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I became hero already for Armada.. blush.gif hahaha.. waiting to pick up some more. rclxms.gif

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QUOTE(gark @ Nov 28 2014, 10:51 AM)
I became hero already for Armada.. blush.gif  hahaha.. waiting to pick up some more.  rclxms.gif
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So did Armada get the contract?
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QUOTE(gark @ Nov 28 2014, 09:51 AM)
I became hero already for Armada.. blush.gif  hahaha.. waiting to pick up some more.  rclxms.gif
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LOL!!

You forgot that 4 letter word my friend.......

WAIT.




Wait to buy
Wait to sell.


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post Nov 28 2014, 09:58 AM

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Just realised that...

No thread/discussion on AEON Credit???
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post Nov 28 2014, 09:59 AM

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QUOTE(spring onion @ Nov 28 2014, 02:41 AM)
looking at it too since it's a big and stable company. might get it if below 2.80. what is your target price to buy?
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Yeah currently trading at PE 13x, quite attractive for a big cap.

Their fabrication and drilling works is backed by multi year contract and big order book (2 years), so it should not be affected by temporary fluctuation in oil price. Unless of course the oil price is kept low for next year or so...

For their oil production, their average cost un drilled is USD 14 per barrel, after adding cost etc might be in region of USD 40-50 per bbl. Still profitable but certainly having less overall profit.

Overall next Q profit is expected to be down 20-30% due to less margin for production.

2.80 is a good price, valuing it at about PE10-11x thereabout. wink.gif

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QUOTE(johnnyzai89 @ Nov 28 2014, 09:54 AM)
So did Armada get the contract?
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No news... yet. laugh.gif
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post Nov 28 2014, 10:07 AM

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QUOTE(gark @ Nov 28 2014, 09:59 AM)
Yeah currently trading at PE 13x, quite attractive for a big cap.

Their fabrication and drilling works is backed by multi year contract and big order book (2 years), so it should not be affected by temporary fluctuation in oil price. Unless of course the oil price is kept low for next year or so...

For their oil production, their average cost un drilled is USD 14 per barrel, after adding cost etc might be in region of USD 40-50 per bbl. Still profitable but certainly having less overall profit.

Overall next Q profit is expected to be down 20-30% due to less margin for production.

2.80 is a good price, valuing it at about PE10-11x thereabout.  wink.gif
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But if oil remains at such low prices, would they see their contracts revisions? (hehe... please educate me cos I am pretty much a blur here. tongue.gif)
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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Nov 28 2014, 10:07 AM)
But if oil remains at such low prices, would they see their contracts revisions? (hehe... please educate me cos I am pretty much a blur here. tongue.gif)
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Contracts if cancelled will have serious implications and penalty payments, unless agreed by both parties. However the flow of NEW contracts might be suspended temporary.. until which time oil recovers. If the oil price takes too long to recover and the existing contract expires or not renewed, then the company will be in trouble.

More or less if the oil price does not get back up to $90 within the next 12 months, then SKpet will be in trouble...
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Added buy queue for both Skpet and Armada. laugh.gif

But not yet match...

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QUOTE(gark @ Nov 28 2014, 10:14 AM)
Added buy queue for both Skpet and Armada.  laugh.gif

But not yet match...
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Not entered anything yet................ (and as you are aware, I was indeed a fan of this stock for its growth potential)

I drew the chart before... and previously (as suggested by others) there was a line drawn on the sand around 316.

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If you minus today's terrible gap down...

you could actually see some volume build up as the stock tried to stage a recovery....a few days ago.
Oil prices kinda stabilized...
and SKPet prices stopped falling...
I even made a comment that perhaps buying then was a much better option than chasing the stock when it was falling.....
Yes, I observed some buying support for the stock too!

Then came yesterday.....
or rather today's gap down....

and you cannot stop wonder about those buyers.....
what if these bottom traders give up those positions they recently took?
Oil outlook just got worst...
or rather many people now suddenly a pro oil BEAR!
LOL!
Yes, a lot of writings are singing the death to oil...... rolleyes.gif

whether they are right or wrong......
I dunno..... sweat.gif
but it looks more and more that this drama would last much longer.....

and judging from the chart...
the chances of a sharp rebound is getting slimmer and slimmer.......

also.... do I know the next level for SKPet from here?
ie what's after 280?
260?
240?
or would we even see 210?

no matter what.....
I like the WAIT option much better.

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post Nov 28 2014, 10:32 AM

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QUOTE(Boon3 @ Nov 28 2014, 10:29 AM)
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

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Perhaps you are right, but I have always been a knife catcher. bruce.gif

I am looking more at the 2008 graph of oil companies and oil price when it fell to $40.. it did not last, during the worst financial crisis ever, and not likely to last now. wink.gif

At $60 a lot of oil companies rather not drill or cannot drill (due to money losing), based on supply and demand price will balance it self. $150 oil is crazy, so is $40 oil... considering how much $$ it needs to produce them. wink.gif

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